I'm Giving Up.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Sorry to see all the issues you've had. I've got a 2000 Corvette with 80,000 miles on it with no issues other than the column-lock problem that plagues C5s. However, that was fixed at no cost to me at all. In fact, the only time it acted up was when I was looking at buying it. It's been a solid performer ever since.

Don't jinx yourself. EBCM's are way too common.

1. Trans
2. EBCM
3. Oil pressure sensors
4. Funky front tire wear
5. Column lock
6. Some other control module in the door that cost me $450 that controlled keyless and TPMS.
7. TPMS - At $125 a pop

GRRRRRRRRRRR

[Rob Bell]

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Wow, that's a lot of problems. My two GM cars (purchased new) always needed several trips to the dealer for warranty work, but after the bugs were worked out, they ran well for many years. My '02 Bird needed a fuel pump at 49K, but other than that, no problems after the warranty issues were fixed.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Riddle me this, why do C5's eat oil pressure sensors like they are going out of style, but F-bodys with the same engine and sensor have no problem?!?!?!?!?! What the F? That doesn't even make sense. Happened to both my 00 Coupe and my 04 Z06.

[DanT]

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LOL! I'm sure I jinxed myself BIGTIME! But, my wallet is hoping I didn't. LOL!

I know late '00 and many '01 Vettes are notorious for oiling issues on the passenger-side head (I can't remember which cylinder it affected). I hadn't heard of too many issues with '04s for sensor issues. That sure sucks about your Z doing it. I'd love to own an '04 Z06.

What gets me about my Vette, is the damn seat rocking issue. Everybody I know has the same problem. They could have used stronger washers to prevent that, and better foam and leather in the seats while they were at it. Instead, they used cheap-*** materials.

[Tlutz]

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I had a new ford thunderbird once that was in the dealership more than I had it. When I pulled in they asked me what loaner car I wanted before I even would tell them what was wrong. It took 4 trips for them to fix a coolant leak that turned out being the lower radiator hose. They had replaced the radiator, the water pump, the thermostat and the coolant return bottle before they finally found the problem. When it came off the truck they dented the rear quarter. I had to have them repaint it twice when the paint peeled off the repair. They never did fix a misterious front end squeak, had to replace the brakes at 10k. The climate control unit gave up the first month I had it on a trip that left us with no heat for 3 hrs on the way back with two little girls in the back seat.

What I'm trying to say is you probably got a bad/poorly put together car. They call them Lemons and there are laws that protect you. Most likely you will have to get a lawyer and sue them but will get all your money back and they will have to take the car back. Since then I haven't had a bad vehicle.

Good luck in your endevor.

[ssms5411]

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If you have taken your car in with the same problem 3 times or more and they can't fix it right and its under the 36,000 mile warranty , you can have the GM dealer give you a new car for free, becuase it is a lemon law, at least in AZ it is, I almost had to do it with mine once since they were giving me the run around. But as soon as you mention wanting a neew car to them and sueing them for lost wages and time they will stop d!cking around with the car, they are just getting the money for warranty and not fixing the problems, which they make alot of money doing warranty work on the vehicles, so their service shop is making more money for the dealership which they depend on. Selling cars is second to the service shop when it comes to making money for the dealership.

[flamingchicken]

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which they make alot of money doing warranty work on the vehicles, so their service shop is making more money for the dealership which they depend on. Selling cars is second to the service shop when it comes to making money for the dealership.

warranty work is junk, and the dealer doesnt make near as much for warranty work as they would for customer pay. customer pay is where the bread and butter is at. the problem with most dealerships is that the techs to sub-standard work when it comes to warranty work, because they get paid less. i have gotten screwed multiple times doing warranty work. One time i had to completely remove a headliner and replace the sunroof assembly in a charger, took me about 4 1/2 hours, i got paid for 1.2.

[Mighty Thor]

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I agree with the GM ordeal thing.

I bought a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe in 2003 for my wife's commute and I've only taken it back twice for warranty repair and they were awesome. The service is excellent and they don't put you on the spot like GM would. They even gave me a rent a car, which was a 4 cyl. Chevy Malibu.

Plus, the day after service I got a call from a Quality Control person asking me if they did their job right and I was treated OK. Then a week later a survey letter.

Our Santa Fe has over 150K and we haven't had any problems with it at all.

[ssms5411]

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warranty work is junk, and the dealer doesnt make near as much for warranty work as they would for customer pay. customer pay is where the bread and butter is at. the problem with most dealerships is that the techs to sub-standard work when it comes to warranty work, because they get paid less. i have gotten screwed multiple times doing warranty work. One time i had to completely remove a headliner and replace the sunroof assembly in a charger, took me about 4 1/2 hours, i got paid for 1.2.

But you add up , this and that is wrong , spray oil down the tunnel of the car and then you are your lookin at engine gasket changes , trans , differental seals, which their is nothing wrong with them so they get them spray cleaned down the tunnel and they just made 10+ hours warranty on a vehicle. Goes on alot, my dad was a GM Service Manager for 20 years and 20 years as a mechanic and he has seen and fired many mecahanics trying to pull a scam on a vehicle so they can get the warranty hours or even hours on a private customer. Like they tried to charge a woman $200 for a power steering flush on a new truck that had 10,000 miles on it and was under warranty, the service writer was fired and the mechanic was fired when the woman went to mangement. But how many did they get away with doing minor stuff like this.

[Mighty Thor]

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But you add up , this and that is wrong , spray oil down the tunnel of the car and then you are your lookin at engine gasket changes , trans , differental seals, which their is nothing wrong with them so they get them spray cleaned down the tunnel and they just made 10+ hours warranty on a vehicle. Goes on alot, my dad was a GM Service Manager for 20 years and 20 years as a mechanic and he has seen and fired many mecahanics trying to pull a scam on a vehicle so they can get the warranty hours or even hours on a private customer. Like they tried to charge a woman $200 for a power steering flush on a new truck that had 10,000 miles on it and was under warranty, the service writer was fired and the mechanic was fired when the woman went to mangement. But how many did they get away with doing minor stuff like this.

That's interesting Steve and I agree with you completely.

Did your Dad ever say that they sometimes do this just so they could make money for the company? or they have to meet a certain quota?

[T-Mill]

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Bird_of_prey... I can't blame u at all, but as others have said, I don't think the problem is just GM's. My mom worked across the street from the VW dealership where she bought her Beetle Brand new and that was convenient bc she had to take it in almost weekly for Warranty work, not to mention all of the factory recalls. She had to get a binder to hold all of the paperwork she got from the VW Service dept...

[robert]

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I have had the best expierence with Ifiniti i have Fx45 and everytime i take it in to service they replace the parts with brand new parts and i never have the same problem twice, i go to the one in Lisle and like i said i feel so satisfied after i leave cause they always take care of my car when i go there like ex: my cd player changer 6 disc stopd wrking and wouldnt change any more they replaced the entire unit in the dash including the navigation ! in 48 hrs and even give you a 2009 rental for the 48hrs!!!

Infiniti HANDS DOWN!!!

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Lemon law only applies to new vehicles. Only the GTO was new, everything else was used. I'm gonna start looking for a F-250 diesel and an 03-04 Cobra.

[flamingchicken]

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But you add up , this and that is wrong , spray oil down the tunnel of the car and then you are your lookin at engine gasket changes , trans , differental seals, which their is nothing wrong with them so they get them spray cleaned down the tunnel and they just made 10+ hours warranty on a vehicle. Goes on alot, my dad was a GM Service Manager for 20 years and 20 years as a mechanic and he has seen and fired many mecahanics trying to pull a scam on a vehicle so they can get the warranty hours or even hours on a private customer. Like they tried to charge a woman $200 for a power steering flush on a new truck that had 10,000 miles on it and was under warranty, the service writer was fired and the mechanic was fired when the woman went to mangement. But how many did they get away with doing minor stuff like this.

well there is a difference between an honest mechanic and a dishonest one. I never wrote up things that weren't wrong. I wasnt the best at diag, but if i couldnt figure it out, there were other, more experienced techs to help me. And now, if your dealership does too much warranty work, they(the warranty company) make you wait longer cause they send a person out to inspect the vehicle and verify the need for repairs. Dealerships now dont want too much warranty work, but customer pay is where they can just run someone down. and if they can patch a vehicle up enough to get it till the warranty runs out, they will do it.

[ssms5411]

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That's interesting Steve and I agree with you completely.

Did your Dad ever say that they sometimes do this just so they could make money for the company? or they have to meet a certain quota?

My dad would fire the ones that were shady and call the mechanics he knew from other places and replaced them until he had a solid crew. They made more money because people would come back for service becuase they weren't getting ripped off. He just about doubled the dealerships Service depts. money coming in , in just about a year.
Not a qouta, just trying to push certain jobs or products on customers every week, I sat there one time while a Service Advisor talk a older man into a power brake flush $130 because they said his fluid looked dirty , was a 05' caddy finally the old man gave in after the Advisor said he would through in a $100 engine decarbonizer for $50. Just scam artist esp. on women, young people and old people who don't know alot about cars. Like a engine decarbonizer,power steering flush or a A/C system filter flush, the service writers get a commisson for the month and if they are slacking on writeup repairs or on sells then they let them go, same goes for mechanics if they don't have alot of hours to give them , they will weed them out. My Dad would give the work orders/ jobs to the senior mecahnics who he knew could do a 4 hour job in 2 hours or like a engine rebuild that is 26 hours, the mechanic did mine in 12 hours. So they would make their money and didn't get crappy work orders, the trainnees who were from a techincal program would do oil changes, minor interior work and then help the senior mechanics after their work was done , so they could get more experience.