TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

no, im talking about cash for clunkers in general. dont turn it into "your talking about this im talking about that"

and the point remains the gov't devalued the car even further for no reason. it makes no sense. it was worth more with a good motor. they could have sold it to a salvage yard and recovered more money that way but no they killed it.

clearly common sense escapes some people, so i am done here.... tmill i would suggest just not wasting anymore time on this hopeless soul

This thread is about the Corvette. I told you that. Thats what Im arguing. But I ALSO told you earlier that alot of cars were allowed to go to pick-a-part scrapyards. I said this, you NEVER pay attention.

Most of the cars were sold of to auto recyclers, a few were left for pick-a-part salvage yards. But they weren't just thrown away.

What does that say?? Do you want sources?

http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...914367,00.html

Once the engine is dead, a recycling lot can take possession of the car. From that time, it has 180 days to sell the pieces of the car that retain some value. Even though the engine's a lost cause, everything from the scrap metal to the hubcaps is available to buyers.

Seriously, I get tired of your comments. They're without any fact or sense. You don't pay attention, and continually spout of crap, even though someone already commented on what you're usually going to say.

[venom3300]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

This thread is about the Corvette. I told you that. Thats what Im arguing. But I ALSO told you earlier that alot of cars were allowed to go to pick-a-part scrapyards. I said this, you NEVER pay attention.



What does that say?? Do you want sources?

http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...914367,00.html


Seriously, I get tired of your comments. They're without any fact or sense. You don't pay attention, and continually spout of crap, even though someone already commented on what you're usually going to say.

lets think about this, does the scrap yard want a motor that has been eat up by acid or a motor that runs????? i wonder which one they are going to pay the most for???? hummmmm

fool

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

ok... so you're saying that the Corvette was worth the same after the engine was destroyed as it was when it was driven onto the lot?

That thing looked pretty beat to hell. I would highly doubt it was worth much more beforehand. What you guys don't understand is that only the engine and parts of the drivetrain were to be completely obliterated as ordered by the government, there was nothing saying the car had to be smashed itself. Again, there are parts on the Vette that could have fetched some decent money to a restorer, so long as the engine was destroyed withing 180 days (eventually was dragged out to 270 days). The body and chassis of the car was free to be done with at the will of the auto dealer, whether it was to be recycled to sent to a salvage yard.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

lets think about this, does the scrap yard want a motor that has been eat up by acid or a motor that runs????? i wonder which one they are going to pay the most for???? hummmmm

fool

I also told you and LINKED to you that it could be RECYCLED BY A RECYCLING COMPANY.

Consider the fool comment your last warning. I never personally attacked you other than said you needed to read and pay attention. Not even T-mill personally attacks anyone. LAST WARNING.

[venom3300]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

I also told you and LINKED to you that it could be RECYCLED BY A RECYCLING COMPANY.

Consider the fool comment your last warning. I never personally attacked you other than said you needed to read and pay attention. Not even T-mill personally attacks anyone. LAST WARNING.

why force them to recycle it when the damage could have been avoided? that only drive the price of the motor up making for less of chance someone will buy it.

its like breaking a piece of jewelry before you sell it at a pawn shop just so they can fit it and sell it. you get less money from it, they have to fix it, which eats into their profit because its only worth so much anyways. it makes no sense

and consider it even then, because i did read the other posts, but as i have sown here it makes no sense

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

its like breaking a piece of jewelry before you sell it at a pawn shop just so they can fit it and sell it. you get less money from it, they have to fix it, which eats into their profit because its only worth so much anyways. it makes no sense

Would you sell the piece of jewelry if it was still good and unbroken? Same concept with the car. If you put that much value in the car, then why did the owner sell it off for a simple $4500 for a credit towards another GAS EFFICIENT car? If that Corvette was so valuable and so sought after as you like to say, then WHY would he/she have turned it into the dealer for the credit, just so they can dump the silicate fluid into it? There is something about that car NONE of us know, but my guess, after looking at it, is that it was a POS.

If you can tell me why the owner took the car into the dealership for the credit of $4500, then I'll keep quiet. Something made that car less valuable than $4500, because from your logic, you'd have to be dumb to scrap a car like a vette.

[venom3300]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Would you sell the piece of jewelry if it was still good and unbroken? Same concept with the car. If you put that much value in the car, then why did the owner sell it off for a simple $4500 for a credit towards another GAS EFFICIENT car? If that Corvette was so valuable and so sought after as you like to say, then WHY would he/she have turned it into the dealer for the credit, just so they can dump the silicate fluid into it? There is something about that car NONE of us know, but my guess, after looking at it, is that it was a POS.

If you can tell me why the owner took the car into the dealership for the credit of $4500, then I'll keep quiet. Something made that car less valuable than $4500, because from your logic, you'd have to be dumb to scrap a car like a vette.

you would sell/trade in the jewelry/car if you wanted the money for something you wanted more. as i have said i dont blame the man for trading it in. and no the car probably was worth a whole lot. but it still makes no sense to devalue it further, especially with the intention of selling it to a scrap yard.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

you would sell/trade in the jewelry/car if you wanted the money for something you wanted more. as i have said i dont blame the man for trading it in. and no the car probably was worth a whole lot. but it still makes no sense to devalue it further, especially with the intention of selling it to a scrap yard.

Why not devalue it? Plenty of auto makers and dealerships made some good money off this, the consumer got better cars, and recyclers made a few bucks here and there. It might have cost some tax money, but just like Ive been stating before, taxes will be spent on something, and this event did well for domestic auto manufacturers, especially Ford. It helped boost auto sales, helped save a VERY troubled industry, and got some polluted pieces of **** off the road.

Seriously, is EVERYONE going to get pissy when government money is being used on something? I think that is the mentality now. I mean, how much money are you looking to save a year from things like this from your federal withholding? 2 or 3 cents? If you're that butthurt over 2 cents, come to my house, and I'll give you two damn cents.

[LETZRIDE]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

That car was a POS. As much as some people want to turn it into a political discussion, its not. That car looked beat to piss. I bet if I had taken my LeSabre and scraped off the nameplates, painted 'Corvette' on the side, someone like you would take serious interest in it. That Corvette was worth about as much as the cheap Kmart cookware it was recycled into.:rolleyes:

Just as Bird of Prey said, it would be valuable, if there already wasnt a ton of them sitting in the junkyards now from moron kids who thought it was fast and wrapped it around a telephone pole. And you simply can't polish a turd.

man I don't know what junk yards you go to...but I can't even find an F body within a few hundred Kilometers of here, let alone a vette. I think I have honestly seen a total of 2 F bodies ever in a scrap yard around here. Hell, when that tree fell and took out my passenger side mirror I had to have Kristen go to a local scrap yard in philly and pick me up a mirror and ship it over here.

Now, I am not a huge corvette fan, but I loved that body style of them...I see too many of the new ones on the road (although the numbers have gone down drastically in the last 5 years)

See to me even if that vette is not worth the money per se, there is a sentimental value I have for these kinds of cars that is worth more then a dollar figure...and I think for those of us that this video kinda irks, its for that reason...the sentimental value

*** maybe sentimental isn't the right word because it wasn't ours, but Im sure you guys know what Im trying to get at...that value that its a unique vehicle with history behind it, regardless of its condition....I can't even think of the right word at the moment, my brains shut down for the night...

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

There was a guy in high school whos family owned a scrap and junk yard on the westside of Indianapolis. There were so many of those goofy looking vettes back there that were totaled, that he ended up BUILING a vette from parts. He had one of the cleanest cars in high school, but he got the parts from some 7-8 different vettes. He would get the parts, clean them up, primer them if they were body parts or media blast the ones that were rusting, and bolt it to the car. Took the car to a damn nice collision shop outside of Indy, in a town called Brownsburg, painted it red, and you would have never have thought it was a parts car. But there was a ton of them in that junkyard, and this was back in 98-99. It was basically a graduation gift to himself.

Point being, these things are a dime a dozen in the states, they aren't hard to find and fix up. I think I had a harder time finding parts for my LeSabre than this kid did finding the parts for his vette. It was difficult to find a window motor and switches for my Camaro, but I'll be damned if I didn't pass 5 or so vettes looking for an Fbody.

[venom3300]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Why not devalue it? Plenty of auto makers and dealerships made some good money off this, the consumer got better cars, and recyclers made a few bucks here and there. It might have cost some tax money, but just like Ive been stating before, taxes will be spent on something, and this event did well for domestic auto manufacturers, especially Ford. It helped boost auto sales, helped save a VERY troubled industry, and got some polluted pieces of **** off the road.

Seriously, is EVERYONE going to get pissy when government money is being used on something? I think that is the mentality now. I mean, how much money are you looking to save a year from things like this from your federal withholding? 2 or 3 cents? If you're that butthurt over 2 cents, come to my house, and I'll give you two damn cents.

why not? because the government recovers less money because they have to sell at a lower price. the scrap yard makes less because they now have to pay a recycle place. and the consumer probably wont buy it because the price went up.

furthermore i dont give a dang if it helps ford or any other auto maker. there is nobody building houses right now but nobody is running to hand my dad (an electrician) a bailout or burn down houses so he will have something to wire. the auto makers can either adapt and survive or die, but dont use my money on them.

also, by your logic, so long as the money is spent its a good thing. if they want my money then they better spend it on something worthwhile, after all they arent the ones who earned it. if all they can find to do with my 2-3cents then give it back to me. heck ill save it up until i can by something useful like gum.

[enzia35]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Very terrible what they did to the vette. Too bad the c4c plan backfired for OM.

[s]Wasn't the rebate 3k? Not 4.5k? Or did they change the rebate later?[/s]
Just read on wiki that it depended on the car.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

also, by your logic, so long as the money is spent its a good thing. if they want my money then they better spend it on something worthwhile, after all they arent the ones who earned it. if all they can find to do with my 2-3cents then give it back to me. heck ill save it up until i can by something useful like gum.

So far, NOTHING the government spends its money on is worthwhile to you.

why not? because the government recovers less money because they have to sell at a lower price. the scrap yard makes less because they now have to pay a recycle place. and the consumer probably wont buy it because the price went up.

It angers me when I read this stuff, because it only shows me that you want to push my buttons, and simply have NO CLUE, NONE AT ALL, about the processes in which you are arguing about. You never take the time to educate yourself, you just keep talking, and talking, and talking, and never really do any research at all. Why would you take the time to respond to the threads if you don't know what it is you're reading, and instead, just blast off opinions about issues that you haven't taken the time to read and fully understand?

So, again, Im going to explain this to you, just so you can keep arguing, and so I have better peace of mind that you might have read something to inform yourself.

The government gave the dealerships and the consumers the $4500 or so money to purchase a greener car. NOW, with what was done with the old cars, the dealer was in charge of seizing the engine, by adding the silicate fluid. Once the engine was seized, and the government was informed of that cars engine seizure, the dealer at first had 180 days to make sure that the engine was completely destroyed, obliterated. The REST of the car was either sold off to a scrap yard, pick-a-part, or a recycler. NOW, the recycler can completely destroy and engine by shredding it, but usually they wouldn't, because of the fluids that had to be drained from it first. The REST OF THE CAR, meanwhile, was free to be used at salvage and pick-a-part yards. Now, the whole process would involve the dealer destroying the engine, offering either the salvage yard or recycler the car, and one of the two buying it for a specific price. But once the engine was proved to be completely obliterated (AND in some cases, the rest of the drivetrain), the body and frame of the car can be done with whatever the dealer wanted. The government got 0 return on this, 0. They made no money off of it. But the dealers pocketed a little cash from the sale of the cars, AND from the scrap money of the old cars to be recycled. The scrappers made a little and lost a little, depending on the cars situation, and the recyclers made a little money, so long as the cars vital fluids were drained for environmental purposes.

NOW do you understand? Do you get the process? It gets tiresome to type all this stuff out to you, and it seems like you're the ONLY one I have to do this for.

[venom3300]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

So far, NOTHING the government spends its money on is worthwhile to you.



It angers me when I read this stuff, because it only shows me that you want to push my buttons, and simply have NO CLUE, NONE AT ALL, about the processes in which you are arguing about. You never take the time to educate yourself, you just keep talking, and talking, and talking, and never really do any research at all. Why would you take the time to respond to the threads if you don't know what it is you're reading, and instead, just blast off opinions about issues that you haven't taken the time to read and fully understand?

So, again, Im going to explain this to you, just so you can keep arguing, and so I have better peace of mind that you might have read something to inform yourself.

The government gave the dealerships and the consumers the $4500 or so money to purchase a greener car. NOW, with what was done with the old cars, the dealer was in charge of seizing the engine, by adding the silicate fluid. Once the engine was seized, and the government was informed of that cars engine seizure, the dealer at first had 180 days to make sure that the engine was completely destroyed, obliterated. The REST of the car was either sold off to a scrap yard, pick-a-part, or a recycler. NOW, the recycler can completely destroy and engine by shredding it, but usually they wouldn't, because of the fluids that had to be drained from it first. The REST OF THE CAR, meanwhile, was free to be used at salvage and pick-a-part yards. Now, the whole process would involve the dealer destroying the engine, offering either the salvage yard or recycler the car, and one of the two buying it for a specific price. But once the engine was proved to be completely obliterated (AND in some cases, the rest of the drivetrain), the body and frame of the car can be done with whatever the dealer wanted. The government got 0 return on this, 0. They made no money off of it. But the dealers pocketed a little cash from the sale of the cars, AND from the scrap money of the old cars to be recycled. The scrappers made a little and lost a little, depending on the cars situation, and the recyclers made a little money, so long as the cars vital fluids were drained for environmental purposes.

NOW do you understand? Do you get the process? It gets tiresome to type all this stuff out to you, and it seems like you're the ONLY one I have to do this for.

national sercurity, building roads, police, firefighters, and education.... these kinds of things are worthwhile

ok thatnks for informing me. i now realize the govt is dumber than i first thought. they used MY money to help other people buy cars. the cars the govt bought, they destroyed the engine in for no reason and didnt try to sell the car to recover any of MY money.

and dont say they destroyed it to get gas guzzlers off the road, because by letting the rest of the car be used in salvage they are helping other gas guzzlers just like the one whos engine they seized, stay on the road.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

national sercurity, building roads, police, firefighters, and education.... these kinds of things are worthwhile

Other than national security, local and state taxes usually take care of these, so if you're police are nowhere to be seen, your roads suck (other than your interstates), and things are burning down all around you, then you need to talk to your state politicians. BTW, your money? How much did you pay into federal last year, and how much did you get back on your return?