TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

[T-Mill]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

What I find amazing is that people treat health care like it's the first step this country has made toward socialism. I bolded part of your quote and I'll reply to just that question with some questions of my own:
Why should my taxes pay for public schools if I'm never going to have children? (Since when did someone else's will to educate their kids become my burden?)

I don't think you should

Why should my taxes pay for the local fire department if my house is never going to catch fire? (Since when did someone else playing with matches become my burden?)

You're stretching it to try and make a point... I think you know why this is a dumb point to try to make

Why should my taxes pay for the US Postal Service if I only use FedEx? (Since when did someone else's will to mail a letter become my burden?)

I don't think you should

Why should my taxes pay for railways, airports, subways and roadways if I never intend to travel by train/plane/metro/car? (Since when did someone else's laziness become my burden?)

Basic fundamentals of national infrastructure... (see military industrial complex, or read anything by or about Eisenhower)

Oh, I saved the BEST one for last:
Why should my taxes pay for a war that I don't agree with? (Since when did someone else's death to terrorists on 9/11 become my burden?)

It's really sad that you feel that way... but the part not in bold is in the constitution...

I think I just proved that it's not as simple as you think it is.

you've proved nothing, you've just given your opinion

Read only what I bolded out. You're making no sense. Are you blaming Obama and his administration or not? You went from "I'm blaming obama" to "I'm not accusing anyone". Honestly it makes no difference in the overall conversation, but you're full of contradictions.

Read more carefully, I haven't contradicted myself once... I don't solely blame Obama, but he is perpetuating the trend at a much more rapid rate

Also, you say you have no problem with wearing a seatbelt in your own car... You say you have no problem not being allowed to smoke in a public restaurant... But you have a problem with the government monitoring how much pollution we pump into the air? Bro, you need an ATMOSPHERE to breathe just as much as you need LUNGS to breathe with. Considering one generation doesn't last long enough to notice the effects of their own air pollution doesn't mean the next generation won't notice and suffer. Therefore it makes perfect sense for the govt to regulate carbon emissions of our vehicles. Otherwise you're basically advocating that a dirty atmosphere is just as good as a clean one, when in reality the consequences of our generation's actions have yet to be felt until it's too late.

If you really want to have a discussion on "global warming" or "climate change" PM me... I've got more enlightenment than I'm willing to post here...

[T-Mill]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

I don't think you quite grasp what Im saying. There are some corporations that have their grip so tight on a local market that alot of people have no choice but to take whats handed to them, or up and move away.

Or, if the corporation is that bad, the community could boycott, pickett and protest and that corporation is gonzo... then other companies can fill the void left in the market.

How selfish is our generation to think that we should be able to live where we want and have companies pay the way we want and hire the way we want... it wasn't that long ago that if there weren't jobs, families moved to where the work was.

Wal-mart hires low-(to no)skilled workers, they obviously need their employees, but can you imagine what it would be like to go into a Wal-mart that had union employees?

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Wal-mart hires low-(to no)skilled workers, they obviously need their employees, but can you imagine what it would be like to go into a Wal-mart that had union employees?

They might actually take their job more seriously, due to the fact you're not paying them in wooden nickels?

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Wal-mart hires low-(to no)skilled workers, they obviously need their employees, but can you imagine what it would be like to go into a Wal-mart that had union employees?

It would be the exact same, except everything would cost more.

[Heywood]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

I don't think you should

I don't think you should

Uh oh....

Basic fundamentals of national infrastructure

So you think we should take care of our roads (even if we don't use them) before we should take care of our own citizens (even if we don't know them)? You know, without people there isn't anyone to use the roads/railways/subways. How's that for national infrastructure?

It's really sad that you feel that way... but the part not in bold is in the constitution...

I don't feel that way. I was asking those questions to make a point of how hypocritical it is to single out health care reform when so many other "socialist" practices are already in place that you're directly paying into every year.

Read more carefully, I haven't contradicted myself once... I don't solely blame Obama, but he is perpetuating the trend at a much more rapid rate

I'm not accusing anyone of abusing that power

Okay, you're not accusing Obama of abusing the Patriot Act. It's good to see we agree on something. (For once I'm not being sarcastic.)

If you really want to have a discussion on "global warming" or "climate change" PM me... I've got more enlightenment than I'm willing to post here...

I don't know why you'd want to spread your "enlightenment" only to me via private message when your enlightenment could be shared and spread via these public message boards. I personally encourage free flow of ideas without one feeling outnumbered or in the minority.

[T-Mill]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

yes but this thread is already way off topic and not to sound like a ****, but I have better things to do...

and infrastructure is taking care of our citizens... it improves the quality of life... I don't think they should be in the business of running train companies, bus companies etc... but the roads and rails they drive on, yes...

if you want to make your points, then go ahead and make them, but don't accuse me of being hypocritical when I'm not, and don't twist what I'm saying into something that makes it easier for you to argue against... it defeats the whole purpose of having a debate if one of us is constantly correcting the other person on what they meant...

Telling me that we already have socialist programs is not news to me... I made that clear in my post. It has been a long time coming, but that doesn't make it okay. and the military is not "socialized"... if it was private it wouldn't be military, it'd me militia and it'd be illegal

[T-Mill]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

They might actually take their job more seriously, due to the fact you're not paying them in wooden nickels?

Maybe if they just took their job more seriously from the beginning they would get promoted to a position of higher pay and benefits... (sense of entitlement and lack of personal responibility)

[bohemianpasha]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Only in America. Pisses me off big time. Even in Europe, where they had a similar program, they didn't ruin the cars. To take a running engine and intentionally ruin it is disturbing. Yeah you can recycle it for the metal, but how much does that pollute the environment? There is not much justification. The cash for clunkers was an idiotic program and the irony is that it mainly helped the Japanese auto makers, ones like Toyota that doesn't give a #(@) about safety and hopefully will go out of business. So they managed to take bunch of used cars off the road that were apparently bad for the environment. As a result they made it harder for people looking to buy a used car that don't have that much money. It also put our country in greater debt. ANYBODY that thinks this program was kosher is ignorant.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Maybe if they just took their job more seriously from the beginning they would get promoted to a position of higher pay and benefits... (sense of entitlement and lack of personal responibility)

Only so many positions to fill at the top. If everyone does the same good job, it then falls on favortism, which is the usual norm anyway. Sure, there are some hard working honest people that work their way up the ladder, but this is not 100% in the least. Thing is, most people know this, and don't bother because some friend of a cousin's sister's of the manager is going to get the job.

Now, you might possibly say that union employees are lazy, or whatnot....whatever. I think to make that assumption is simply ignorant. For example, I can shop at almost any grocery store in Chicagoland OR Indianapolis, and all the employees are generally union. The prices are near the same as Wal-mart, depending on what you're getting, especially for name brand stuff (for the exception of Dominicks in chicagoland and Marsh in Indy, overpriced) you just have to know how to shop. But I can go home to Indy, go to the UNIONIZED Kroger, and see a clean store, organized, and fresh food. I go to Wal-mart on those VERY RARE occasions, and its filthy, looks like someone let their kids play on the produce. Its ****ing disgusting. But why is that? Why can I go to the unionized store, and find a cleaner produce section than I can at the Wal-Mart with minimum wage, non-insured people running the show? They're all low or unskilled. So what makes them set each other apart? I can spend $60, get the SAME **** (simply because Im a frugal **** and I know how to shop), but the Walmart has to be filthy.

To take a running engine and intentionally ruin it is disturbing.

Makes you want to cry? Its an engine, not a newborn.

There is not much justification.

Well I guess you need to read the rest of this thread, don't ya?

As a result they made it harder for people looking to buy a used car

I just found almost 6,000 cars on autotrader.com alone within 100 miles of my house, all of them for $5000 or less. I found almost 1000 within 10 miles of my house, again, all for either $5000 or less. Pick your beater and buy it. If you can't find a used car out there, crawl out from whatever mudhole you're living in. "Made it harder..." ...Im laughing my *** off in my own apartment by how asinine this comment is. I can walk out on my patio, throw a rock, and hit one of three things; and Arab-American, a store that sells Kool 100's in a box, and a used car for sale. Mr. Magoo would have an easier time finding a used car for sale than you could apparently. Id have a harder time tracking down the swine flu in Guadalajara, Mexico than I could finding a used car. I have a harder time finding a Chase ATM then I would finding a used car for sale. Its not like used cars went extinct like the ****ing dodo bird. I could fall out of a boat and not hit the water faster than I could find a used ****ing car. I can find a used car easier than I can find a star in a Chicago night sky. Do you understand what Im saying at this point?? Seriously?? IF anyone, ANYONE, in this country is having a hard time looking for a used car, then........mother f**er. Im at a loss for words at this point.....

[Heywood]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

I spent most of this past winter looking for a car and I have to agree there are some pretty amazing deals out on the market right now. I don't know how else to prove it other than point you to various used car websites, like auto-locator.com or autotrader.com as mogo mentioned or cars.com or autos.yahoo.com. It's a buyers market.

[T-Mill]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Now, you might possibly say that union employees are lazy, or whatnot....whatever. I think to make that assumption is simply ignorant. For example, I can shop at almost any grocery store in Chicagoland OR Indianapolis, and all the employees are generally union. The prices are near the same as Wal-mart, depending on what you're getting, especially for name brand stuff (for the exception of Dominicks in chicagoland and Marsh in Indy, overpriced) you just have to know how to shop. But I can go home to Indy, go to the UNIONIZED Kroger, and see a clean store, organized, and fresh food. I go to Wal-mart on those VERY RARE occasions, and its filthy, looks like someone let their kids play on the produce. Its ****ing disgusting. But why is that? Why can I go to the unionized store, and find a cleaner produce section than I can at the Wal-Mart with minimum wage, non-insured people running the show? They're all low or unskilled. So what makes them set each other apart? I can spend $60, get the SAME **** (simply because Im a frugal **** and I know how to shop), but the Walmart has to be filthy.

It's all based on your own experience, though... Around here, The Wal-marts are spotless and the Kroger and Howard's IGA are gross. There's a Kroger up by school that I was honestly afraid to walk into... and the IGA is just a terrible store altogether, it has no selection, higher prices, it's dirty, and the service is terrible, and it seems like at least twice a summer, it's employees are picketing outside because they want raises...

I don't make the assumption that all union employees are lazy, they are just as lazy as non-unionized workers, the difference is that in a non-union job if you are lazy, you can get fired more easily than if you were in a union job, and the lazy people know this... There are very honest hardworking union employees... just like there are very honest hardworking non union employees, there's no difference between the two, the difference is their job security and their compensation... and just like every system and like I've said before, it's not the honest hard-working people who take advantage of the system, it's the lazy incompetent ones who do just enough to keep from getting fired, but never actually earn their paycheck...

Like I've said before, I'm not 100% against unions, just the current unions like the UAW, the SEIU and others have outreached their purposes... Some union leaders are destroying the companies that it's employees work for. Some union leaders are more concerned with their own political agenda instead of it's employees that pay the dues... Like any other representative body, if you give it the power, it will take full advantage, and IMO the unions have done just that, as well as congress and the gov't... it's simply the nature of our society right now...

[mycatsadiva]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

Its WORTHLESS. What the Govt did to the rest of the cars is of no consequence to me.

For every car that was destoyed, the owner received $4,500 for a cost to the taxpayer of $24,000.

It cost each of us $24,000 to provide some tard with $4,500.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/auto...ysis/index.htm

It's of no consequence????

You're kidding, right?

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

For every car that was destoyed, the owner received $4,500 for a cost to the taxpayer of $24,000.

It cost each of us $24,000 to provide some tard with $4,500.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/auto...ysis/index.htm

It's of no consequence????

You're kidding, right?

Well, now I KNOW I have no clue what you're talking about. Its rather apparent that you didn't read the whole article, or even the beginning for that matter. You are WRONG, because you didn't read the whole article. ONLY 125,000 of the 690,000 ended up costing the taxpayer $24k. But you're missing the point here. Those 125,000 cars are only cars that would not have sold if the C4C wasn't in effect, the others would have sold regardless if C4C was around or not.

If you're going to come up with a source, for future reference, READ YOUR SOURCE.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

the difference is that in a non-union job if you are lazy, you can get fired more easily than if you were in a union job, and the lazy people know this...

Thats not true either. Trade unions do not have this stipulation. If you're lazy, you get fired, or laid off, depending on what you did to earn yourself a ride back to the hall.

[T-Mill]

Re: TERRIBLE! cash for clunker. (remembering how stupid it was) video. (must) watch

so is running a cashier a trade? is stocking shelves a trade?

Maybe your definition of lazy is different from mine... to me, lazy is anything less than your best...