really? not one thread about the health care bill yet?

[vanbibber]

im surprised!

[dashboardrunner]

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haha ive been watchin for one also.....

[venom3300]

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well most of us are already sick of it from v6fbody lol

[firebirddrvr]

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yeah i started it over there...if you want it go get it lol im not doing the same thing here too

[97rs4life]

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well most of us are already sick of it from v6fbody lol

or just sick of it in general all together

[LETZRIDE]

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I didn't want to rub in that we have a better healthcare plan then you guys...I personally think that alot of Americans (actually people in general) only think in the moment...alot dont think ahead. Ya, so maybe you can't benefit from free healthcare at the moment because you are not sick...but god forbid something happen to you, you guys pay through the nose over there...

It sickens me to think about what goes on in hospitals over there..."Oh, you have no money to pay for treatment?? Out the door you go, see ya..."

^ that and I didn't feel like starting an arguement, which I probably just did anyways now lol...

[firebirddrvr]

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but for those of us in the middle to lower working class it SCREWS us! for example...if i work and go out and buy insurance...i can get it pretty cheap before obamacare because im young and healthy and non-smoker. now i would have to pay more to subsidize older americans. thats all im saying theres too much im opposed to, although there are some good things about the bill.

[Mogobs30th]

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Ive come to the conclusion from v6f-body.com that maybe one or two people know what this bill is really about. The rest are in their cold war flashback believing that its the same type of healthcare as what Canada or Western Europe have. But by all means, if you want to have a discussion, go ahead. So long as the profanities and name-calling are kept to a minimum.

It sickens me to think about what goes on in hospitals over there..."Oh, you have no money to pay for treatment?? Out the door you go, see ya..."

Thats not exactly true, although the policy of most hospitals over here is to get you out the door as quickly as possible if you don't have insurance.

The WHOLE issue from what I can tell isn't that we have to have insurance, its that a CHOICE was taken away from some people, to decide whether or not they wanted insurance. Except these people that didn't want insurance instead want to roll the dice, and see if they don't get sick in their lifetime. But if they do get sick, and they don't have insurance, they'll get put on Medicare, and the American taxpayer is paying for someones healthcare because that person was too negligent and irresponsible to take care of themselves.

I don't see why I have to foot your soon to come healthcare bills because you wanted a choice in the matter. I choose to pay less taxes. I choose to do the moral and right thing for the elderly. I have a policy. I would have a policy even if I had to sell a car. One of the biggest things I have heard is that people can't afford it. Well, if you can't afford it, stop buying stupid stuff. I can afford it, and Im an unemployed, 29 year old tobacco using individual (and yes, my insurance is already covered thru my union, DAMN nice insurance too).

I personally think that alot of Americans (actually people in general) only think in the moment...alot dont think ahead.

No kidding. Ive been arguing that same point for three days now.

[Leonard 3.8L]

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It's true - most people can't afford health insurance. I agree on that because my family is one of them. That's why I try extra hard to take care of myself. I agree with mogobs30th that if you can't afford it then you should stop buying stupid stuff.

[dgreet77]

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The WHOLE issue from what I can tell isn't that we have to have insurance, its that a CHOICE was taken away from some people, to decide whether or not they wanted insurance. Except these people that didn't want insurance instead want to roll the dice, and see if they don't get sick in their lifetime. But if they do get sick, and they don't have insurance, they'll get put on Medicare, and the American taxpayer is paying for someones healthcare because that person was too negligent and irresponsible to take care of themselves.

Yeah, this is an issue to many people, myself included. I'm 21 and in good health...I'd like to save the $90-100 a month it will cost me to get a HDHP for a few years before actually purchasing the HDHP. This way in a few years when I'd like get a HDHP and HSA I have a reasonable amount of money to put in my HSA to start with. Is this such a terrible thing? I'm by no means going insurance free for my entire life, but I'd like the option to save that $100/month for a few years first.

I don't see why I have to foot your soon to come healthcare bills because you wanted a choice in the matter. I choose to pay less taxes. I choose to do the moral and right thing for the elderly. I have a policy. I would have a policy even if I had to sell a car. One of the biggest things I have heard is that people can't afford it. Well, if you can't afford it, stop buying stupid stuff. I can afford it, and Im an unemployed, 29 year old tobacco using individual (and yes, my insurance is already covered thru my union, DAMN nice insurance too).

I totally agree with what you said and I bolded. BUT here's the $64k dollar question. Is it better for the American taxpayer to foot the bill for the medicare we'll get if we don't have insurance and go to the hospital; or is it better for the American taxpayer to subsidize the 30 million people who don't have insurance plus the ones that can't afford it?

Something tells me we gain no ground by subsidizing millions more people versus what we are doing now with people with no insurance.

[firebirddrvr]

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I agree with you wes that if people who could afford insurance actually had it this country may not even be in the predicament we are in. I am still insured under my parents at the time so i do not have to worry about it, but my fiance buys it through her work, and i will be joining her plan until i find a full time job out of school. then we will evaluate which plan is better. It is kind of like life insurance. you may not think you need it...and may end up really not needing it for years and years, but its a peace of mind thing. I would like to not have to foreclose on my home if something is to happen to my fiance.

ah and i agree with the whole not buying stupid stuff remark as well. ive cut way back on my "stupid stuff" spending i.e. candy, soda, going to movies, etc. It has really helped me save up some money because I have bigger priorities currently

[Mogobs30th]

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Im telling everyone now, this will not get out of hand. Keep it civil.

I totally agree with what you said and I bolded. BUT here's the $64k dollar question. Is it better for the American taxpayer to foot the bill for the medicare we'll get if we don't have insurance and go to the hospital; or is it better for the American taxpayer to subsidize the 30 million people who don't have insurance plus the ones that can't afford it?

Here's a better question, out of the 30 million who don't have insurance, which are the ones that CHOOSE not to because they would rather spend the money on other things, possibly things that aren't exactly a neccesity? Out of that 30 million, how many probably could get insurance, but CHOOSE not to? I think the number of uninsured would drop if they were finally forced to pay for their own healthcare, and the TRUE people of need will be weeded out and subsidized accordingly, bringing the costs down to the American taxpayer.

[KJZ28]

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Im telling everyone now, this will not get out of hand. Keep it civil.



Here's a better question, out of the 30 million who don't have insurance, which are the ones that CHOOSE not to because they would rather spend the money on other things, possibly things that aren't exactly a necessity? Out of that 30 million, how many probably could get insurance, but CHOOSE not to? I think the number of uninsured would drop if they were finally forced to pay for their own healthcare, and the TRUE people of need will be weeded out and subsidized accordingly, bringing the costs down to the American taxpayer.

I wold just like to add that over 200million US citizens are covered by some sort of insurance.

Also make note we dont have the money for this bill, we don't have money for anything! We are 12 trillion in debt (real number estimated over 20) and soon we have to start paying it back, we dont even have enough to pay the interest right now on this debt!

This issue for me isn't health care, it isn't social security or whatever...its protecting this country from financial ruin that is on the horizon if we don't stop spending and expanding the gov'ts reach. The sad thing is people don't realize how serious this is, they think we can keep borrowing, NO WE CANT! Other countries are going to start calling on our debt.

We need to close the 700 international military basses, bring all our soldiers home, cut the military budget in half, end all social programs as soon as possible, kick illegal immigrants out that or sucking free money from the system in form of education, healthcare etc.... The spending has to stop or their will be no USA in the future.
Yes cutting these programs will be tough for awhile but in the long run it will ensure the stability of the nation. People have to get their heads out of the present and think about just a few years down the line. Thsi country is beign screwed over by people that wont live long enough to see it collapse so what do they care.

[dgreet77]

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Here's a better question, out of the 30 million who don't have insurance, which are the ones that CHOOSE not to because they would rather spend the money on other things, possibly things that aren't exactly a neccesity? Out of that 30 million, how many probably could get insurance, but CHOOSE not to? I think the number of uninsured would drop if they were finally forced to pay for their own healthcare, and the TRUE people of need will be weeded out and subsidized accordingly, bringing the costs down to the American taxpayer.

Good question, and upon a small amount of research, here is an estimate on the uninsured. (found here: http://www.american.com/archive/2008...-the-uninsured)

Q. Let’s get inside those rough numbers. Who tends to be uninsured?
A. They tend to be younger, with those most likely to be uninsured between ages 19 and 24. Almost all adults age 65 and above are covered primarily by Medicare, and many of them have supplemental private insurance. Men are a little bit more likely to be uninsured. Married individuals and persons with more than a high school education are much more likely to be insured. Most of the uninsured (88 percent) are in good to excellent health. The likelihood of being insured rises with income and full-time work status, although nearly half (47 percent) of the uninsured are full-time workers. Hispanics are considerably more likely than those in any other ethnic category to be uninsured (over 30 percent). More than a quarter of the uninsured are foreign-born. By Census Bureau estimates, about 10 million uninsured are not citizens and half of them are illegal immigrants.

So it seems that most of the uninsured are like myself, in good health and from 19 to 24 years of age. Now I'm not saying these individuals don't get sick or have terrible accidents, etc, etc, but I am saying that I want to be able to save up some money before I'm required to purchase a health plan, mainly due to the fact that my plan includes a HDHP and HSA.

Here is the question now; how many of the uninsured get sick or have a terrible accident and have enormous medical bills? Especially if 88% of the uninsured are in good to excellent health.

For EXAMPLE: Say the 12% that aren't insured and not in good to excellent health all get sick. Thats 3.6 million people, and given that 13.2% of Americans live below the federal poverty line (http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-236.pdf - page 13) do you still think its cheaper to subsidize the 39.6 million people below the poverty line, or the 3.6 million that get sick?

Say we subsidize everybody below the poverty line at a rate of $50/month for to help them purchase insurance. 39.6 * ($50 * 12months) = $23.76 Billion per year. This means if 3.6 million uninsured people were all to get sick that their bills would all have to be $6,600 to reach the same cost as above. (23,760 / 3.6 = 6,600)

I know its an over-simplification, but a good one. I highly doubt the government subsidy would be as low as $600/year to help purchase insurance. And I highly doubt that 3.6 million people would all get sick and have $6,600 medical bills that we as taxpayers would have to pay for.

Food for thought anyways...

[dgreet77]

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I wold just like to add that over 200million US citizens are covered by some sort of insurance.

Also make note we dont have the money for this bill, we don't have money for anything! We are 12 trillion in debt (real number estimated over 20) and soon we have to start paying it back, we dont even have enough to pay the interest right now on this debt!

This issue for me isn't health care, it isn't social security or whatever...its protecting this country from financial ruin that is on the horizon if we don't stop spending and expanding the gov'ts reach. The sad thing is people don't realize how serious this is, they think we can keep borrowing, NO WE CANT! Other countries are going to start calling on our debt.

This I agree with, and is a valid point.

We need to close the 700 international military basses, bring all our soldiers home, cut the military budget in half, end all social programs as soon as possible, kick illegal immigrants out that or sucking free money from the system in form of education, healthcare etc.... The spending has to stop or their will be no USA in the future.
Yes cutting these programs will be tough for awhile but in the long run it will ensure the stability of the nation. People have to get their heads out of the present and think about just a few years down the line. Thsi country is beign screwed over by people that wont live long enough to see it collapse so what do they care.

This I do not agree with. The very last thing we need to cut is defense spending.

Sure we need to cut some programs and focus on paying off the national debt, but its not gonna happen overnight, and since politicians hate committing political suicide, program cuts are something that will have to be done slowly instead of suddenly.

I'm all with you on less government spending and paying off the debt; but we need to be careful in how we do it.