Prop 8 poll

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Is the seperation of church and state actually in the Constitution?

Regardless, it is still a belief.

QFMFT. That is all. Article 1, incase you wanna check.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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"I go to" in neither grammatically incorrect nor literally incorrect. As i have already said, this is not where i come to write formal letters and essays.

and you just posted on another thread that banged someone's mom like a screen door in a hurricane.... is this also a good example of how to covey my thoughts?

I'd tell ya what I do to your mom, but you would cry even more. Bukkake!!!!!!!!!!

[dmw319]

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QFMFT. That is all. Article 1, incase you wanna check.

(Can you show me where?) Even if it is, its still a belief.

For example: If capital punishment was a Constitutionally held practice, you still reserve your right to believe it is right or wrong.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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(Can you show me where?) Even if it is, its still a belief.

For example: If capital punishment was a Constitutionally held practice, you still reserve your right to believe it is right or wrong.

I'm not saying that at all. Stop misinterpreting. I'm saying, within our laws, it should be allowed. Why should any group of people be denied rights granted to others?

So to use your terrible, terrible example. If capital punishment were dictated by the Constitution, I'd be all for it. They would have to execute everyone equally, even the gays. Where is your arguement to that? You can't just exclude a certain group because of your "feelings".

[dmw319]

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I'm not saying that at all. Stop misinterpreting. I'm saying, within our laws, it should be allowed. Why should any group of people be denied rights granted to others?

So to use your terrible, terrible example. If capital punishment were dictated by the Constitution, I'd be all for it. They would have to execute everyone equally, even the gays. Where is your arguement to that? You can't just exclude a certain group because of your "feelings".

Can you please show me where seperation of church and state is in the Constitution?

I am sorry if I am misinterpreting, but I don't care if you agree or disagree with capital punishment. That wasn't my arguement. I think we are veering off topic anyway.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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I already told you. Amendment 1. I'm not typing the Constitution out for you, there are plenty of places you can read it on your own.

[dmw319]

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I already told you. Article 1. I'm not typing the Constitution out for you, there are plenty of places you can read it on your own.

well everywhere I've looked I can't find it.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[dmw319]

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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Exactly. Amendment 1, not Article 1. Thus, my point... What the Government denotes as lawful or unlawful (which can change with more amendments) does not make it true.

Marriage as defined by the Bible will never change from being solely between a man and a woman. So even if it is legalized in all 50 states and a gay couple gets "married", it is not actually marriage. It is 2 same-sex people that are together with a legal title of "married" even though they aren't. Homosexual marriage is an oxymoron.

This entire issue MUST be based on beliefs (or "feelings" if that is what you call them). However, what the source is for these beliefs is a different story.

[pace2006]

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For those of you that believe homosexuality doesn't occur in nature, look closer. While it is perceived as an unnatural behavior in the human race, it happens quite naturally within many species in nature. Look up different types of primates; ie. Bonobos, or other mammals like Dolphins, even with birds and insects.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Exactly. Amendment 1, not Article 1. Thus, my point... What the Government denotes as lawful or unlawful (which can change with more amendments) does not make it true.

Marriage as defined by the Bible will never change from being solely between a man and a woman. So even if it is legalized in all 50 states and a gay couple gets "married", it is not actually marriage. It is 2 same-sex people that are together with a legal title of "married" even though they aren't.

This entire issue MUST be based on beliefs (or "feelings" if that is what you call them). However, what the source is for these beliefs is a different story.

Great, the Bible has NOTHING to do with law.

[dmw319]

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Great, the Bible has NOTHING to do with law.

That is precisely what I'm saying. So call homosexual marriage "marriage" if you'd like... it isn't marriage.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Marriage is defined by law, and isn't some protected religious institution. I'd agree that the "ceremony" shouldn't take place in a Church.

[dmw319]

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Marriage is defined by law, and isn't some protected religious institution.

This is not a fact, it is your belief.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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This is not a fact, it is your belief.

No, that is a fact. Defined by law would make it a fact. Silly religions have beliefs.