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lets talk everyday ls1 numbers...if you go swap a stock ls1 in a normal dd car your running mid to high 13's except for those factory freaks.
and I dont know what LT1s are running in your area...but most everyone that I have seen at the track stock is running 14's (with a few actually pulling 15's, dependant on the air) at track...
around here when im at the track... the stock ls1s run anywhere from 12.5-13.5, any slower than that and the person either cant drive or can't hook. lt1s probably just under a second slower than that.
Oh please, tell me what makes my car not streetable. I need a muffler to be legal. I could probably drive it as is, since it is quieter than most LS1's I've heard lately. I don't know what planet you race on, but here on earth, stone stock LS1's usually run bottom 13's all day long. I've had more than one, and I've raced them all. Same thing with LT1's, most people are high 13's.
Back to the V6 cluster****. Springs aren't the only difference. You would also need headers, gear, converter, tires, etc, etc, etc, all the supporting stuff to get it done. Otherwise you're going to have a complete pooch. Better stock up on Alpo.
man dont tell me your ls1 is a common one...your one of very few running your car that way...lets try and compare apples to apples here...we're talking little to no weight reduction because its a daily driver...yours is gutted to nothing...
and you dont need headers and the like...again back to my Lnorton example...stock heads, he did run slightly higher 12s with stock exhaust manifolds,...you dont need an intake...looks like that pretty much covers your basic bolt ons...
there's a ton of setups you can do...I listed some N/A ones...how about a nice cam and a 75-100 shot and sure...some gears....you'd be less than $2000 with that setup and run low 13s all day...
your basing your info on generic setups...off the shelfers...
This thread is turning out to be pretty good, lots of different opinions.
I drive both a LT1 and LS1 but if I see a guy or girl with a V6 that has a goal for his/her car and is trying to get there even though that goal has not been reached yet then I am going to back that person and not rag on him like others. I want to see their V6 run a 12 with 2000.00 in mods as well and if it can be done then that would be great for the F-body community as a whole.
With a 1000.00 in mods to my V6 I went 14.2 @ 102 mph with a 75 shot so I no 2000 in mods to run a 12 is a pretty realistic goal to have! Just might not be able to reach it all motor but you never know...
Jeff ..
1998 Firebird.. Built 3.8 with a 125 shot.. 370rwhp,415rwtq.. stock tune!! sold
Im hoping for 12s for the Lt1 (bolt ons, suspension, gears, and a forthcoming chip burned) but as far as my 3800 I'm happy wheres its at (for now). Although all of that m90 stuff has me thinking. The Lt1 is the drag car and the 3800 is the autox car.
LOL. Nearly $1200 to get everything needed for a cam swap. This is why I keep telling you that you're delusional. This is just off the shelf stuff. Custom costs WAYYYYY more.
I drive both a LT1 and LS1 but if I see a guy or girl with a V6 that has a goal for his/her car and is trying to get there even though that goal has not been reached yet then I am going to back that person and not rag on him like others. I want to see their V6 run a 12 with 2000.00 in mods as well and if it can be done then that would be great for the F-body community as a whole.
With a 1000.00 in mods to my V6 I went 14.2 @ 102 mph with a 75 shot so I no 2000 in mods to run a 12 is a pretty realistic goal to have! Just might not be able to reach it all motor but you never know...
Feel free to chime in champ. Lay out your $2k as you would spend it and see how it would end up.
I think a v6 camaro/firebird can run 12s easily for under 2,000. BUT you would have to buy used/cheaper parts and do all of the work/labor yourself and a lot of nitrous would have to be involved.
Feel free to chime in champ. Lay out your $2k as you would spend it and see how it would end up.
Champ???
I will go off my old 98 setup which for 350.00 I got a used Compucar Wet kit with bottle warmer and purge and I would put a 150 shot on it, I got a Walbro 255 fuel pump for around 100.00, a Whisper lid for around 100.00 and the RK sport headers/ y-pipe which cost around 500.00 or so which I would use Pacesetter Now since they make them for a V6 and I can get a set on ebay for around 350.00 I believe.. Also use my Maft Translator Plus to tune the spark and A/F. You can get one of those for lets say 50.00.. So for 950.00 thats what I have for my bolt on mods..
I know for a fact that with my old car on a 125 shot with those mods listed above my car made 313 rwhp and over 400 ftlbs of tq. I could assume that a 150 shot my car would have made around 330rwhp and 420 ftlbs.. On a 75 shot my car made 270 rwhp and trapped 102 in the 1/4. My car weighed in at 3340 without me in it with the back seat but no spare tire.
I would get some Drag radials for what 400.00 or so, Pull the back seat out along with all the B/S thats in the hatch. I would get some LCA's which you can get for around 100.00 I would also get a Spec Stage 3 clutch. they are around 400.00 I believe.. Also a short throw shifter which is around 150.00 I assume.. I would install of of the parts but if you are unable to do the install then you would have to factor in Labor as well. So with tires, and some suspension along with the boltons I am around 2000.00..
With those mods listed above the car should be a solid mid-low 13 and if it can hook good has a chance to be a 12 second car.. The Car should trap close to 110mph range as well. Just have to make sure you are running the car on a safe A/F ratio and have pulled enough timing out as well..
I don't see headers and a 150 hit getting you in the 12's. General rule of thumb is a tenth in the quarter for every 10hp, at this level. So, with that I'd expect a 13.50ish with a good driver. You made no mention of gear, and the stock 3.23 in a M5 car is pretty wimpy especially without a posi. Wheezing out of a stock cat back wouldn't get you very far either. You didn't include any consumables, like plugs. How are you going to measure your AFR without a wideband?
It was not my intent to offend you by calling you champ. If you prefer hoss, we can go with that.
I don't see headers and a 150 hit getting you in the 12's. General rule of thumb is a tenth in the quarter for every 10hp, at this level. So, with that I'd expect a 13.50ish with a good driver. You made no mention of gear, and the stock 3.23 in a M5 car is pretty wimpy especially without a posi. Wheezing out of a stock cat back wouldn't get you very far either. You didn't include any consumables, like plugs. How are you going to measure your AFR without a wideband?
It was not my intent to offend you by calling you champ. If you prefer hoss, we can go with that.
Like I stated before I RAN a 14.2 @ 102 with my V6. It was a 5 speed with stock 3.23 gears on a open diff. If you want throw a LS1 3.42 10 bolt on the car for around another 150.00 and there you go.. Also forgot to mention that I had a Flowmaster Catback as well. You could just use a Cutout on the y-pipe and what not.I have a Wideband so I forgot to add that in but you could also just dyno the car and see what it makes and most dyno's have WB O2's..
So using your math I ran a 14.2 with a 75 shot and dynoed 270 rwhp.. I dynoed 313rwhp on a 125 shot and there for I would have gained 4 1/10's alone from the added hp of the 125 shot.. Now every 1/10 you drop off your 60' you typically see a 2/10 drop off your ET. I cut a 2.3 60' if I remember correctly on my 14.2 run. So if I had a LSD with DR's and could have cut a 2.0 60' I would have cut my 14.2 down to a 13.6 ish run I suppose using simple math. Then you could add that 4 1/10's gain to my ET after adding the 125 shot and I should have ran around a 13.2 with the 125 shot cutting a 2.0 60'!!
I also had a buddie in VA beach that had a 96 camaro and sprayed a 175 shot on his car. He was a full bolt on and full suspension car and was running a 12.4@ 114 if I remember correctly. He basically bought a LT1 to do a swap and put a N20 kit on his 3.8 to blow it up. He sprayed that shot on his car for over 2 yrs before breaking the motor..
I also had a buddie in VA beach that had a 96 camaro and sprayed a 175 shot on his car. He was a full bolt on and full suspension car and was running a 12.4@ 114 if I remember correctly. He basically bought a LT1 to do a swap and put a N20 kit on his 3.8 to blow it up. He sprayed that shot on his car for over 2 yrs before breaking the motor..
like i said.. a lot of nitrous will do it! haha. ive just never been a fan of it.
I would like to drive a Camaro with a 6.0 in it these LQ9 motors are full of TQ, I love driving my truck and spinning the tires.
08' L76 6.0L 4X4 Chevy EXT.Cab LTZ Vortec MAX with Snug top cover, Dynomax exhaust,Hptuners& K&N intake
96' Camaro M5 to A4 conversion, alot of mods . GT35R Turbo full suspension. Built engine
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