Which engine

[flamingchicken]

Re: Which engine

my car runs low 9's with headers, !cat, no lid/filter, 1.9 rockers. stock wait, everything still in the car, even the spare tire, subs and amp.

in the 1/8th mile.

[dmw319]

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You want to know what makes N20 the best power adder out there in my opinion? Its not run all the time.. I have had Turbo cars, Supercharged cars and N20 cars and for me, who hardley ever goes to the track and just loves driving my car N20 is perfect because you get the great gas miles with it and it drives normally with it as well.. Whenever your not spraying your car runs like it is stock and for a daily driver that is perfect. I use to love getting 30mpg and being able to make over 450hp with a flip of a switch.. The track in VA was 100 miles away and I use to fill up before we left with all the other V8 F-bodies, Run at the track all day long and get back to Va Beach with at least a 1/4 if not more of fuel left. We did have to stop on the way back for all the LS1/Lt1 guys to refill with fuel!!

Turning the key and having instant power is great but like you said its on all the time even in the rain, Snow, Cold roads, and at the times were you dont need it..

I guess we just disagree. I've had all sorts of forced induction cars too.. and what made me the most mad was when I was on the street in one of my NA cars and wanted some extra power and didnt have it. I like it being there all the time, especially in my DD.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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I would say this!!




Also you say your race weight, which is with you in the car I would believe is 3250lbs.. That means you car is around 3050 without you in it if you weigh in around 200lbs!! Thats about 400lbs of weight savings on a stock 99 Camaro!! Thats alot..




I come on here to follow the progress of V6 cars with V6's in them and really dont care what a LS1 swap camaro runs.. Thats just me.. But from the mods listed and the amount of weight reduction you have done to your car I believe that your car is a 11sec capable car.. Just not legal to drive on the street at all, and you shouldnt go around saying its streetable when there are no bumper supports, Manual steering, and God knows what else is missing from it.. Does your insurance company know its a V8 car now? How does that work with car insurance as far as how much you pay?

I have nowhere near 400lbs out of the car. More like maybe 200, maybe. I still have wipers, stock wheels, full size front tires, full size battery, speakers, all the interior panels, stock steering wheel, stock brakes, stock k-member, stock a-arms, full wiring harness. Only weight out of the rear of the car is the spare tire. I haven't cut anything yet, maybe it will get below 3000lbs if I get crafty with a sawzall and a hole saw. Only the front bumper support has been pulled, which doesn't make it any less streetable, I still have the rear and the door bars. Either does manual steering, power assist only helps with low speed turning. As long as I'm going over 1mph, it really isn't that bad.

My insurance is $0. I don't street drive it at all. It goes from the garage, onto the trailer, off to the race track, back to the garage. I have zero desire to drive an F-body on a regular basis. Hmmm... Drive a clapped out 13 year old Camaro with a billion miles on it, race car suspension, loud exhaust, and a big converter or my 6 month old truck with A/C, XM, and huge comfy seats.... Easy choice for me. That's the reason I sold my SOM WS6. I put under 2k miles on it in a year, which was mostly just driving to the track. I think I drove it to work twice.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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I shredded one cam only...

And since when did all those goodies only cost 100$ ...you mean to tell me that every joe blow that does up a v8 gets all those goodies for their car for 100$? Because that's what you told me is invested in it??

Your story just keeps changing...

Nothing has changed. You refuse to look at the big picture. I had a total of $2700 invested in buying both cars. $1200 for the Trans Am, $1500 for the Camaro. Parted out what I didn't need from both cars. Trans Am came with full leather interior, Chrome C6 wheels with new tires, a relatively undamaged Ram Air hood, a decent hatch, doors, all of it added up. Same thing with the Camaro, sold unneeded V6 parts, gave some away. Total investment when I made my first pass, which was a 12.20, was $100. I could have put it into the wall and walked away at that point and not even felt bad about it. Over the past year, I've added about $2k to the car with a better converter, suspension, tuning, hood, nitrous, more nitrous, and the little bit of further weight reduction.

With that said. Right now, I'm confident I could pull off a LSx swap, including buying a V6 car, for under $2k. Chew on that one.

[flamingchicken]

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ill bite. ill send you a contract in the mail, you sign it and mail it back, ill send you a check (a good one) for $3000 and when i return to the states in a year ill come pick up my 12 second LSx car. If you can do it for $2k then your making a grand profit.

No bs. (the army just gave me my bonus)

[cam98aro]

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ill bite. ill send you a contract in the mail, you sign it and mail it back, ill send you a check (a good one) for $3000 and when i return to the states in a year ill come pick up my 12 second LSx car. If you can do it for $2k then your making a grand profit.

No bs. (the army just gave me my bonus)

it wouldnt be that hard to get an lsx fbody in the 12's for $2000.

[96blackmaro]

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it wouldnt be that hard to get an lsx fbody in the 12's for $2000.

He means buying the car as well, I think that would be fun to see if he can do it or not. I'd do it if I wasnt busy in college not sure if I could meet that budget though.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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ill bite. ill send you a contract in the mail, you sign it and mail it back, ill send you a check (a good one) for $3000 and when i return to the states in a year ill come pick up my 12 second LSx car. If you can do it for $2k then your making a grand profit.

No bs. (the army just gave me my bonus)

I don't have the time to take on a project for someone else. I haven't even looked at my own car since October.

[1998silverbird]

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I have nowhere near 400lbs out of the car. More like maybe 200, maybe.

My insurance is $0. I don't street drive it at all. It goes from the garage, onto the trailer, off to the race track, back to the garage. I have zero desire to drive an F-body on a regular basis. Hmmm... Drive a clapped out 13 year old Camaro with a billion miles on it, race car suspension, loud exhaust, and a big converter or my 6 month old truck with A/C, XM, and huge comfy seats.... Easy choice for me. That's the reason I sold my SOM WS6. I put under 2k miles on it in a year, which was mostly just driving to the track. I think I drove it to work twice.

My V6 Firebird with Manual windows and manual Door locks with 2 speakers from the factory weighed in at 3340 without me in it and that was with the Spare tire removed. With me in it it was 3515 Race Weight!! Your Race weight says 3250!! You have a LS1, which weighs more then the V6, and an Auto that weighs more then my 5 speed did..

Your story changes again.. You said the only thing that is making the car not streetable is that its missing a Muffler.. What about insurance? How would you insure your car?

Most people who want to do a swap in there cars want to be able to drive it on the street as well. You could do it your way for 2000.00 or what not but then the car is NOT STREETABLE and will cost some more money to get it streetable. I couldnt do a swap in my V6 Firebird for 2000.00 or less because I would have to get it inspected in NJ and have the insurance change it over from a V6-V8 and they usually would want to see the car in person just to look everything over to make sure they will cover it..

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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My V6 Firebird with Manual windows and manual Door locks with 2 speakers from the factory weighed in at 3340 without me in it and that was with the Spare tire removed. With me in it it was 3515 Race Weight!! Your Race weight says 3250!! You have a LS1, which weighs more then the V6, and an Auto that weighs more then my 5 speed did..

Your story changes again.. You said the only thing that is making the car not streetable is that its missing a Muffler.. What about insurance? How would you insure your car?

Most people who want to do a swap in there cars want to be able to drive it on the street as well. You could do it your way for 2000.00 or what not but then the car is NOT STREETABLE and will cost some more money to get it streetable. I couldnt do a swap in my V6 Firebird for 2000.00 or less because I would have to get it inspected in NJ and have the insurance change it over from a V6-V8 and they usually would want to see the car in person just to look everything over to make sure they will cover it..

1. Firebirds weigh more than Camaros. That's a fact jack. Easily a hundred or more pounds less, minus the 200ish I took out of mine gets me to 3250ish race weight. Pretty simple.

2. What has changed about my story? Please enlighten me. A catback would be all I need. Oh yeah, I have 2 cats on my car right now, to enhance streetablity. Also, insurance isn't a factor. You live in a sucky state, sorry. WI wasn't a mandatory insurance state until recently. Insurance has nothing to do with the streetability of a car. My car could be insured today without an inspection, state or otherwise (we have no state inspection period). If you're so concerned with it, call your agent and find out. It's going to differ from state to state and company to company, so I'm not going to offer up a blanket answer, that would be asanine.

3. That's your own states issue. Move somewhere else.

[ssms5411]

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I would bet in race form my Camaro will weigh 28XX without me in mine, but my weight reduction list is about 2 pages.LOL

[1998silverbird]

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1. Firebirds weigh more than Camaros. That's a fact jack. Easily a hundred or more pounds less, minus the 200ish I took out of mine gets me to 3250ish race weight. Pretty simple.

2. What has changed about my story? Please enlighten me. A catback would be all I need. Oh yeah, I have 2 cats on my car right now, to enhance streetablity. Also, insurance isn't a factor. You live in a sucky state, sorry. WI wasn't a mandatory insurance state until recently. Insurance has nothing to do with the streetability of a car. My car could be insured today without an inspection, state or otherwise (we have no state inspection period). If you're so concerned with it, call your agent and find out. It's going to differ from state to state and company to company, so I'm not going to offer up a blanket answer, that would be asanine.

3. That's your own states issue. Move somewhere else.

No doubt a Firebird with the same options weighs more then a camaro with the same options The thing is that your camaro probably weighed more then my firebird stock vrs stock since my car was a 5 speed and yours seems to be a auto and my Firebirds only option was t-tops were as I would bet your camaro had alot more options then my firebird did!! Hell I didnt even have a CD player or power mirrors.. My car weighed in around 3370 without me in it and without the back seats and spare tire and jack in the back.. With those parts in the car probably weighed in around 3425 ish I would say..

So your saying that you dont need insurance to drive a car on the street legally? Hense the word streetable!! You built a car for 2000.00 that in most other states is not STREET LEGAL.. I have lived in FL, VA, WA, NJ, UT, and have been to almost every other states as well and most of the states I have either lived in or visited they have had some sort of state inspection except FL. I have never been to Wisconsin but I have been to Chicago and they have a state inspection in IL.. Maybe you need to stop giving out advise that you can build a streetable 11 second LS1 swap car for 2000.00 when in most states its not steet legal!!

What fun is it to build an f-body up and not be able to drive it on the street?? You said before that you hate driving your car... Then why build it up and why do you still have it if you Hate driving it? That doesnt make sense to me either!! You drove your car alot when it was a V6 but since you did a V8 swap you dont drive it anymore.. Why is that?

Nobody is right or wrong here.. We just dont agree on certain things..

You have built a car for 2000.00 thats supposadly street legal were you live but were most of the other people live is not street legal and would cost way more then 2000.00 to have it built street legal..

People also claim that you can run 12's in a V6 with just bolt ons and N20, or just a cam swap and weight reduction which I believe can happen but you say is impossible..

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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No doubt a Firebird with the same options weighs more then a camaro with the same options The thing is that your camaro probably weighed more then my firebird stock vrs stock since my car was a 5 speed and yours seems to be a auto and my Firebirds only option was t-tops were as I would bet your camaro had alot more options then my firebird did!! Hell I didnt even have a CD player or power mirrors.. My car weighed in around 3370 without me in it and without the back seats and spare tire and jack in the back.. With those parts in the car probably weighed in around 3425 ish I would say..

With IDENTICAL options, a Firebird is heavier. Flip up headlights, seats, hatch, etc, etc, etc. IDK why yours was a pig. My 00 Formula weighed 3275 without me in it. It was full weight with a spare tire, 10lb nitrous bottle and a 2lb bottle.

So your saying that you dont need insurance to drive a car on the street legally? Hense the word streetable!! You built a car for 2000.00 that in most other states is not STREET LEGAL.. I have lived in FL, VA, WA, NJ, UT, and have been to almost every other states as well and most of the states I have either lived in or visited they have had some sort of state inspection except FL. I have never been to Wisconsin but I have been to Chicago and they have a state inspection in IL.. Maybe you need to stop giving out advise that you can build a streetable 11 second LS1 swap car for 2000.00 when in most states its not steet legal!!

Again, to break it down. I could have insurance in a matter of moments. Thousands of people have insured cars with swapped engines. You make it seem like an impossibility. IL has an emissions test in certain counties. There is no statewide vehicle inspection like TX or NJ. They wouldn't even lift the hood at the emissions test, just plug into the OBD2 and you're done. Wisconsin has the same system. I'm exempt because of my location.

What fun is it to build an f-body up and not be able to drive it on the street?? You said before that you hate driving your car... Then why build it up and why do you still have it if you Hate driving it? That doesnt make sense to me either!! You drove your car alot when it was a V6 but since you did a V8 swap you dont drive it anymore.. Why is that?

I hate driving it, but I like racing it. I've always had other cars. Very rarely have I ever had an F-Body as a daily driver.

Nobody is right or wrong here.. We just dont agree on certain things..

[1998silverbird]

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With IDENTICAL options, a Firebird is heavier. Flip up headlights, seats, hatch, etc, etc, etc. IDK why yours was a pig. My 00 Formula weighed 3275 without me in it. It was full weight with a spare tire, 10lb nitrous bottle and a 2lb bottle.


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If you do a comparison on autotrader the Firebird base model weighs in at 3370 with the standard options and the Camaro weighs in at 3340 with the standard options.. Thats pretty close.. My Firebird would have been around 3400lbs or more with the TTop option..

[96blackmaro]

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Thousands of people have insured cars with swapped engines.

We had no isssues at all getting the v8 swap insured, just told them it was a v6 and now its a v8. The only thing they did was charge the rate of the car we got the engine from.