Money question?

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: Money question?

way to make me not ever want kids....


on the flip side im going to comment on a more recent post about being homeless and more happy or whatever....and id just like to say that anyone who says money doesnt buy happiness is an idiot simply put. i will say that money is not the only thing that leads to happiness but everything else held constant (such as relationships friendships etc) money does make one happier. I can speak out of experience on this one. My wife and I got married back in May of 2010 bought a place etc. now we were doing all of this on about 25k a year combined. we could make it month to month just fine and have a savings built up, but there was nothing left at the end of each month. it was really stressful knowing that all there was to do was sit at home every day and find something to keep us entertained haha. now before anyone says it, we by no means have anything fancy or expensive. we shopped and our house payment is roughly what rent in a small 2 bedroom appt would cost in the area. however, we have both since gotten promotions and make quite a bit more now while still working roughly the same amount of hours. My stress level has gone down drastically! It is so nice now being able to go get some chinese (which i love) and not sweating bullets over going under budget for the month. its also nice to be able to go bowl with friends, or go watch monster trucks (which i also love). we still dont have some things people would consider basics such as cable, but i actually dont mind not having it. id much rather spend the money elsewhere. I do believe there is a point though where making more money is not going to make you happier than you previously were, but having money can make you happier.

I don't blame you for not having cable. There are many alternatives out there now. You can stream just about anything, and usually in better quality than cable/satellite.

[vanbibber]

Re: Money question?

I doubt I'll have kids of my own, and that's a personal decision. Some might find that selfish, so be it. I know I don't have the capability to deal with kids, and the associated issues involved. Besides, we're running out of room at the thanksgiving dinner table anyway!

cant hate on that at all. if you dont want them.. you dont want them. id rather see people not want them at all than have them and kick them to the side while they do whatever they want to. atleast your personal priorities are in the right place for what you want in life.

[Mogobs30th]

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work ethic....work ethic....are you f#cking kidding me wes....

i get up at 430 every morning, get ready for work, get my son up at 505. get him ready, we are out the door by 514 drive into philly. at my aunt house by 615. drop gabe off. say goodbye then i'm at work by 630, I WORK MY F&CKING A$S OFF from the second i walk in the building until the second i walk out. i don't take either of my 15 mins breaks nor do i take my lunch, just so i can leave work an hour early to spend more time with my son. i leave work at 2. pick gabe up at 215. home by 310.

this is where my next job starts. clean lunch bowls, pack 3 lunches, cook dinner, clean EVERYDAY. play with gabe while doing everything i mentioned plus what ever might pop up. shaun gets home at 5. he takes over with gabe so i can finish dinner. family dinner at 515. try to takes bites of my own cold food while encourging gabe to eat his peas instead of shoving them up his nose or in his ear. finish dinner by 6ish. clean up gabe. change his diaper, remove any food that i found in his diaper. place him in his swing. kiss him good nap turn on wonder pets and return to the kitchen where i try to take another few bites of my now freezing dinner. shaun and i tag team the dishes and gabes chair. every few mins i have to return to gabe to pick up "mr t" (his lovey) give it back to him, tell him not to throw it on the ground, then return to the kitchen. feed the cat. return to gabe a dozen more times until he finally falls asleep. then i get to do laundry, and take a shower and blow dry my hair. sit on the couch for my frist break of the day which is all of 10 mins before i have to wake gabe up. get up make gabe a sippy cup, wake up gabe, put him on the potty(yep he's almost 17 months old and i starting to teach him about the potty) i spend my time between 730 and 830 running around the back living room with him, playing and watching for any sign that he might have to go to the bathroom. 830, it's daddy time which means shaun has him from 830 til 930. but i spend 830 til 930 still watching for any signs he might have to use the potty. 9 pm. shaun give gabe a bath so i get some time with out the boy...usually cleaning. then its a fast bottle for gabe and we take him to bed by 10 pm. after i get him down i go right to bed, where i always crash before my head even hits the pillow. 6 1/2 hours later i'm up starting all over again.....

over all that shaun and i still find time for each other. neither one of us could do this without the other support. that is how we succeed.


don't fu3king talk to me about work ethic. you worked 5 freaking months last year...don't even say that there was no work for you. you could have walked you *** down the street and taken a job at a burger king, wendys ANYTHING. BUT YOU DIDN'T

every mother works twice as hard as you ever will....even when i'm not with gabe, i'm working cr@p out in my head trying to figure out when i can squeese in time to run to the food store, run to bj's to pick up diapers and wipes. reading what ever i can to figure out how to introduce the a potty to an infant, watching that gabe hits all of his milestore. praying that i dont see signs of autisum and wondering about the over all saftey and joy of the best thing that has ever happened to me.

No, Im not kidding you at all. Notice that the time stamps on the last thread I posted and this one are more than 8 hours apart....Probably because I was at work. I don't sit in meetings a **** around on this message board while Im at work, which is exactly why my work ethic is vastly superior to yours. By the time you were dropping your kid off, I was already coring holes into a 103 year old building overly infested with rats and cockroaches. I actually walked into a mechanical room and watched one live roach eating a dead one, then I had to crawl over that feast into a filthy stairwell void laden with loose asbestos and crawling with more roaches and rats to drill ONE ****ing hole....all this before you even parked your car at work. Didn't take a lunch today, really haven't taken one in months, I just eat my food as I pull cable, which is the true meaning of multitasking. I chew tobacco at work so I don't have to stop and smoke, and waste more company time and money over the insane amount they already pay me. So my day consists of waking up at 3am, getting a shower, and to work by 5am, and immediately start working, and not sitting around playing on a message board in a meeting, but real WORK. Funny thing is that I only work 35 hours a week, but have to get paid for 40. I can't work the 40 hours, because of the contract of having to get two hours OT for starting at 5am, so the tradeoff is a 7 hour day. But Ive done my 100 hour work weeks, my 40 hour weekends, and my 27 hour work days pulling, hustling, crawling, climbing, freezing my *** off lakeside in the middle of winter, and crawling around in a 140* attic in the middle of summer. Ive had to dig holes you could make a 2 car garage out of, burned myself on steam pipes because of the lack of room to move around in, sliced open about every finger, hand, arm, leg, and parts of my face. Ive had to smack rats out of corners of crawlspaces, have been bitten by numerous bugs and spiders, had to get ran to the hospital for one bite. Ive watched ex-Marines and Army Rangers come from Iraq and Afghanistan and drop out of this program because they can't hack it. Ever watch an ex-Marine straight out of Iraq run out of a dorm screaming like a little girl because a spider was crawling on him? ITS ****ING HILARIOUS. Ive been ran into the ground by co-workers (journeymen), while having to keep a smile on my face. Ive been laid off twice now, due to the cold realization that in this world its not about what you know, but WHO you know. I have done my job well, and other than being laid off, Ive taken 3 days off, and been late probably twice in 4 years. Ive been a victim of this **** economy, because my job is tied into real estate, banking, and alot of the financial sector of this country. I moved to this city with $400 to my name, no place to stay, and just about nothing worth any value, and managed to make something better of myself, without help from friends, family, parents, or a wife. So before you think for one SECOND you've had to deal with the hardships Ive had to deal with, take a big look at the privied life you've lived, the things you've taken for granted, and the selfish attitude you've had this whole post. I have NO intentions on taking any steps back, and anyone that gets in the way of my plans is going to either get stepped over, stepped on, or just crushed. If you don't want to work, and make something better of yourself AND your family, then get the **** out of the way of those who are willing to make the sacrifices.

[1997Canadian3.8]

Re: Money question?

Wes, are you unionized?

[Mogobs30th]

Re: Money question?

I'd prefer to be loved by someone and homeless than a lonely, miserable, self indulgent yuppie wiener who drove everyone away with extreme beliefs, anger and a passion for greed.

Ever live with a single parent and another sibling in Section 8 housing that was getting broken into, having the Salvation Army drop off boxes of food to your house, and having that single parent live on minimum wage in the 80's? How about a drunk stepfather that would beat the hell out of your mom and pawn a wedding band for alcohol? Ever been dumped off on the steps of your fathers house because your mom couldn't AFFORD to keep you?

Firebirddrvr said it best, money isn't going to make you happy, but it WILL make things alot easier. We NEVER had any money growing up, barely could keep any food in the kitchen, but when I got a job of my own, and my mom was making a little better money, the arguments between us were fewer between, MUCH more peace in the house. You have NO idea whats its like to live deep below the poverty line, so dont say it would be easy with just love. Love isn't going to keep your stomach full, its not going to give you water, pay the rent, keep the electric on, or get you to work. Thats the reality of it my friend. The best thing both my parents taught me was that you take every opportunity that comes your way, no matter how hard, and you don't piss it away on frivilous acts of emotion. Anything short of that is lazy and careless, and it WILL have repercussions in the future.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: Money question?

Wes, are you unionized?

Yes. IBEW L.U. 134, Chicago.

To be honest, Im done with this thread. I think some of you are seriously warped in the head, far more than I could ever be, and thats HARD to do. Most of you that have some idea that you'll sit at home or work while the other does the opposite have no idea what you're getting yourself into. Women fought hard to take what was theirs in the workplace, and some of you seem to give it up freely, for no reason other than to watch your kids all day. And its not that you want to stay home and make sure your child is raised the way you want them, that is a noble thought, but that you're willing to either quit a career or let your wives quit a career to do this. I think it seriously undermines those who fought for equal rights in the workplace, on top of it being a little over-cautious. You could teach your kids about hard work, sacrifice, the lessons of real life, or you can do all of it leading by example. But they're your kids, you want to stay home with them, whatever. You want to feed them pizza and pepsi when they're 2, thats your prerogative. You want to put football pads and reflectors on him so that he doesn't get hurt, be my guest. When they grow up, and you're left alone in an empty house, what are you going to say to yourself as to what your purpose in life was? You could say you had a rewarding career in medicine, techology, or anything, or you can say that you lived vicariously thru your kids in order to keep your youth. Do whatever you want.

[firebirddrvr]

Re: Money question?

idk wes i mean id love for my wife to be able to stay home and not work, its my job to take care of her and i think that not making her go off to work all the time would be a nice thing of me to do (not that i can afford that alternative lol) it would be especially nice now since shes still in school for her not to have to work but eh lol. that being said, hypothetically if she didnt work, the house had best be spotless and dinner best be delicious! haha

[Jtels2593]

Re: Money question?

idk wes i mean id love for my wife to be able to stay home and not work, its my job to take care of her and i think that not making her go off to work all the time would be a nice thing of me to do (not that i can afford that alternative lol) it would be especially nice now since shes still in school for her not to have to work but eh lol. that being said, hypothetically if she didnt work, the house had best be spotless and dinner best be delicious! haha

Ya.. no more home made sandwiches and tv dinners for me. Dinner would be on the table every night.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: Money question?

idk wes i mean id love for my wife to be able to stay home and not work, its my job to take care of her and i think that not making her go off to work all the time would be a nice thing of me to do (not that i can afford that alternative lol) it would be especially nice now since shes still in school for her not to have to work but eh lol. that being said, hypothetically if she didnt work, the house had best be spotless and dinner best be delicious! haha

I had a similar situation to which you have described here, except the lazy ***** didn't go to school. The house was always a mess, and dinner was Popeye's, which I had to pick up after working an 18 hour day. Guess where that lazy ***** is now? Don't underestimate the power of resent.

[firebirddrvr]

Re: Money question?

lol nice...yah im quite tired of hot pockets and such myself but thats mainly because were never home at the same time for dinner. we have meat in the freezer just no time to do anything with it haha

[vanbibber]

Re: Money question?

Yes. IBEW L.U. 134, Chicago.

To be honest, Im done with this thread. I think some of you are seriously warped in the head, far more than I could ever be, and thats HARD to do. Most of you that have some idea that you'll sit at home or work while the other does the opposite have no idea what you're getting yourself into. Women fought hard to take what was theirs in the workplace, and some of you seem to give it up freely, for no reason other than to watch your kids all day. And its not that you want to stay home and make sure your child is raised the way you want them, that is a noble thought, but that you're willing to either quit a career or let your wives quit a career to do this. I think it seriously undermines those who fought for equal rights in the workplace, on top of it being a little over-cautious. You could teach your kids about hard work, sacrifice, the lessons of real life, or you can do all of it leading by example. But they're your kids, you want to stay home with them, whatever. You want to feed them pizza and pepsi when they're 2, thats your prerogative. You want to put football pads and reflectors on him so that he doesn't get hurt, be my guest. When they grow up, and you're left alone in an empty house, what are you going to say to yourself as to what your purpose in life was? You could say you had a rewarding career in medicine, techology, or anything, or you can say that you lived vicariously thru your kids in order to keep your youth. Do whatever you want.

lol. just stop already. its been nothing but ridiculous rhetoric for 3 pages now.

[Mogobs30th]

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lol. just stop already. its been nothing but ridiculous rhetoric for 3 pages now.

Then stop reading the thread.:rolleyes: Usually if I don't want to read something, I don't open the book. Is your willpower so weak you can't help it, or are you just trying to agitate me more?

[vanbibber]

Re: Money question?

i dont know what im doing, you havent told me what i should do yet.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: Money question?

i dont know what im doing

Finally, a little bit of humblness and honesty.:tup:

[kristen]

Re: Money question?

I'm finished with this. Didn't even read the babble that
U wrote. Bib, do the same, go enjoy ur little girl. Show a pic of Wes and explain the devil at the same time.