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Man Robs Bank for $1 in order to get free healthcare in jail
Medical care in the US is a for-profit business. That alone scares the piss out of me.
Why because it leads to new research and development of new things which will do whatever medical thing better.
People invest money and time into the medical field to make money. This investment creates new breakthroughs and is one of the reasons the us is lone of the leaders in medical technology.
You want it controled by the same people that brought you the IRS, DMV, Post Office, welfare, and any other poorly run, wasteful, long wait government entity?
I am not saying the current system is great but I think its better then national healthcare. Which BTW people tend to forget you will pay for it.
Countries with free healthcare don't have free healthcare, their taxes pay for it. If it happens here expect hire taxes to cover the cost. So if you are middle class.... Expect to get assraped for the ones that don't pay, or pay a little amount of taxes.
You want it controled by the same people that brought you the IRS, DMV, Post Office, welfare, and any other poorly run, wasteful, long wait government entity?
These are also the same peopel that control the US Military, the greatest logistical forrce in the world. Piss poor excuse....find another.....
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These are also the same peopel that control the US Military, the greatest logistical forrce in the world. Piss poor excuse....find another.....
and are also the ones wes that have spent so much more money than we have that we are almost at the point where annual tax revenues wont even be enough to cover the interest we owe each year
These are also the same peopel that control the US Military, the greatest logistical forrce in the world. Piss poor excuse....find another.....
Interesting thought. I've never been in the military, but I've followed the healthcare field a bit, and to me it seems like there are some important differences between the two. The military is Chain of Command. Subordinates do what they're told, and shiz gets done. Healthcare is not like that. It is a provider-consumer relationship. If things were done in healthcare like the were the military, it would not be a free country.
Think about it for a moment: in the military you sign a contract and are obligated to follow commands. If that was the case in healthcare you would have to see specific doctors, you would be required to undergo given treatments and you would not be able to contest it because "orders are orders."
Supply and demand is the beneficial factor. Companies will make more money if they provide better healthcare at an equal or lower cost than a competitor. Pharmaceuticals will make more $$$ by providing better drugs with fewer side effects. If anything Gov't regulation has had a negative impact on the proceedings of things. Yes there must be checks and balances, but the creation of a new regulation often begets more harm than good. The best consumer protection is other consumers, and with the internet that voice is now more powerful than ever.
DAS BOOT is correct. Look at the companies that he mentioned. They are consumer based, not military based. Look at FedEx. Before FedEx people said that reliable overnight shipping was impossible, then FedEx cam along and :rock:
Another example: the Interstate Commerce Commiseration of the 1970s. The ICC told truckers what routes they could take and how much they could charge. When it was abolished freight companies found their own routes and became more efficient, which allowed them to simultaneously charge less and deliver products more quickly.
What about the FDA? The Federal Drug Administration already dictates who can make what drug and under what circumstances it can be administered. The FDA's sole existence is to protect consumers, right? Now, look at a different group, Underwriters Laboratories. They are an independent group that performs safety tests and certification. Nothing is mandated that companies attain their certification, yet over 17,000 electrical appliances, automotive products, etc. carry their symbol because UL certification is so highly respected.
One last piss-poor excuse: The Davis-Bacon act of 1931. It was initially implemented to ensure fair wages for government jobs (it mandates that everyone must be paid "the prevailing wage."). Yet it also keeps people on welfare... Ex: the Cabrini Green housing project in Chicago. It was a gov't run housing project, therefore contractors had to pay a premium amount to any construction workers that were hired. Since they were required to pay employees such high wages do you think they hired workers from within the community that wanted to work and get off of welfare? Of course not. They hired the highly-skilled personnel that fit the mandated pay grade, even though the work did not necessitate it. People were not allowed to work on the buildings, even though they would be the ones living in them...
You say more government control, I say less. History has proven it time and again. Supply and demand is a better regulator than a monopolized agency. Society already relies too much on "big brother," therefore they relax and assume since it's approved by the federal government then it must be good.
/rant
Interesting thought. I've never been in the military, but I've followed the healthcare field a bit, and to me it seems like there are some important differences between the two. The military is Chain of Command. Subordinates do what they're told, and shiz gets done. Healthcare is not like that. It is a provider-consumer relationship. If things were done in healthcare like the were the military, it would not be a free country.
Think about it for a moment: in the military you sign a contract and are obligated to follow commands. If that was the case in healthcare you would have to see specific doctors, you would be required to undergo given treatments and you would not be able to contest it because "orders are orders."
Supply and demand is the beneficial factor. Companies will make more money if they provide better healthcare at an equal or lower cost than a competitor. Pharmaceuticals will make more $$$ by providing better drugs with fewer side effects. If anything Gov't regulation has had a negative impact on the proceedings of things. Yes there must be checks and balances, but the creation of a new regulation often begets more harm than good. The best consumer protection is other consumers, and with the internet that voice is now more powerful than ever.
DAS BOOT is correct. Look at the companies that he mentioned. They are consumer based, not military based. Look at FedEx. Before FedEx people said that reliable overnight shipping was impossible, then FedEx cam along and :rock:
Another example: the Interstate Commerce Commiseration of the 1970s. The ICC told truckers what routes they could take and how much they could charge. When it was abolished freight companies found their own routes and became more efficient, which allowed them to simultaneously charge less and deliver products more quickly.
What about the FDA? The Federal Drug Administration already dictates who can make what drug and under what circumstances it can be administered. The FDA's sole existence is to protect consumers, right? Now, look at a different group, Underwriters Laboratories. They are an independent group that performs safety tests and certification. Nothing is mandated that companies attain their certification, yet over 17,000 electrical appliances, automotive products, etc. carry their symbol because UL certification is so highly respected.
One last piss-poor excuse: The Davis-Bacon act of 1931. It was initially implemented to ensure fair wages for government jobs (it mandates that everyone must be paid "the prevailing wage."). Yet it also keeps people on welfare... Ex: the Cabrini Green housing project in Chicago. It was a gov't run housing project, therefore contractors had to pay a premium amount to any construction workers that were hired. Since they were required to pay employees such high wages do you think they hired workers from within the community that wanted to work and get off of welfare? Of course not. They hired the highly-skilled personnel that fit the mandated pay grade, even though the work did not necessitate it. People were not allowed to work on the buildings, even though they would be the ones living in them...
You say more government control, I say less. History has proven it time and again. Supply and demand is a better regulator than a monopolized agency. Society already relies too much on "big brother," therefore they relax and assume since it's approved by the federal government then it must be good.
/rant
Except the US military has to worry about geopolitical situations, while the US free market doesn't have to worry about such things. And the UL lab label and testing is a required thing in some local, and national codes. Depending on the device, code requires that said device be tested and certified by a lab, if you wish, I can find those codes in the Chicago Electrical Code or the National Electrical Code. Has nothing to do with respect.....:rolleyes:
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Except the US military has to worry about geopolitical situations, while the US free market doesn't have to worry about such things. And the UL lab label and testing is a required thing in some local, and national codes. Depending on the device, code requires that said device be tested and certified by a lab, if you wish, I can find those codes in the Chicago Electrical Code or the National Electrical Code. Has nothing to do with respect.....:rolleyes:
Yes, in some places, not all, correct? As for having nothing to do with respect, perhaps that was the wrong word choice. Maybe I should have said because it is so thorough, held in such a high regard, guaranteed to be of high quality, ensures that the product meets specifications, has a powerful reputation (in the good way, lol). My point is, it is an independent not-for-profit group, not a Federally regulated commission. You don't need to look up the codes, i'll take you at word. If anything, the fact that some areas require UL approval supports the idea that the private sector does it better than a federally run organization.
If I'm understanding you correctly (and I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm not ;)), you're talking about international geopolitcal areas. That's one of the things that government SHOULD be concerned with: protecting its citizens and trying to maintain peace with other nations. It is supposed to be doing that. And free trade does come into dilemmas with different beliefs in different cultures/areas. But I'm not an expert on marketing/international affairs so I can't say about that.
Thank you for straightening that out and providing further support :tup:
Military is like NASA.... They achieve results via insanely large amounts of money. You can do anything with seemingly unlimited money.
Thank you for pointing that out. I forgot the matter of a limited budget vs an unlimited budget.
What happens when a Federal program fails? They ask for more money...
What happens when a private program fails? They go bankrupt and someone with a better idea steps in.
I have a feeling this thread could go on forever :excited: lol
Re: Man Robs Bank for $1 in order to get free healthcare in jail
DAS, Wes, Runt all of you made very good point. But we still have a problem with the Health Care Industry and it's getting bigger and pretty soon this will become an "Unstoppable Jaggernaut" that no politicians, private businesses or Health Care specialists can ever solve.
Right now some of the Americans are going to Singapore to get surgeries done for less than 10k. And the doctors in Singapore are top notch. I think one of the problems we have is that our healthcare providers are well overpaid. RN's here with a 2 year education can start off at 60k and senior RN's or BSN are at 130k. I don't even want to mention how much doctors are getting paid and the insane cost of medicine here compare to Canada.
DAS, Wes, Runt all of you made very good point. But we still have a problem with the Health Care Industry and it's getting bigger and pretty soon this will become an "Unstoppable Jaggernaut" that no politicians, private businesses or Health Care specialists can ever solve.
Right now some of the Americans are going to Singapore to get surgeries done for less than 10k. And the doctors in Singapore are top notch. I think one of the problems we have is that our healthcare providers are well overpaid. RN's here with a 2 year education can start off at 60k and senior RN's or BSN are at 130k. I don't even want to mention how much doctors are getting paid and the insane cost of medicine here compare to Canada.
Any one leaving the country is stupid. I looked into it and realized it was a mistake.
I founf our i had cancer when i was 23 , couple surgeries, 12 week of chemo, $200k in debt almost a year of being incapacitaded. No welfare, no unemployment, etc.....
I am now 29 debt fre minus student loan debt including a new car purchase that is oUr(granted the other car is a beater) doing well and on my way towards a down payment on my first house. I have $12k in my 401k...... I am not rich by anymeans but stable.
You definitely do not work with or know anyone in the military and talked to them about there experiences.
Military is like NASA.... They achieve results via insanely large amounts of money. You can do anything with seemingly unlimited money.
So why is there never an argument about the insane amounts of money being thrown towards the military from the same people arguing about the insane amount of money being thrown at healthcare?
Yes, in some places, not all, correct? As for having nothing to do with respect, perhaps that was the wrong word choice. Maybe I should have said because it is so thorough, held in such a high regard, guaranteed to be of high quality, ensures that the product meets specifications, has a powerful reputation (in the good way, lol). My point is, it is an independent not-for-profit group, not a Federally regulated commission. You don't need to look up the codes, i'll take you at word. If anything, the fact that some areas require UL approval supports the idea that the private sector does it better than a federally run organization.
If I'm understanding you correctly (and I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm not ), you're talking about international geopolitcal areas. That's one of the things that government SHOULD be concerned with: protecting its citizens and trying to maintain peace with other nations. It is supposed to be doing that. And free trade does come into dilemmas with different beliefs in different cultures/areas. But I'm not an expert on marketing/international affairs so I can't say about that.
Thank you for straightening that out and providing further support
National Building Code (with the National Electrical Code being part of it) is required and absolute. Code has to be followed. NFPA code requires that fire annunciation devices have a third party certification to them, something UL does. BUT, all that UL is doing is testing the device to see that it performs the way it is designed and told to the public how its supposed to work. The UL can and has certified electrical devices known to be completely unsafe, but because it performed to what it was described to do, it was certified. But the UL doesn't make code, local, county, state, and federal governments make code.
Any one leaving the country is stupid. I looked into it and realized it was a mistake.
I founf our i had cancer when i was 23 , couple surgeries, 12 week of chemo, $200k in debt almost a year of being incapacitaded. No welfare, no unemployment, etc.....
I am now 29 debt fre minus student loan debt including a new car purchase that is oUr(granted the other car is a beater) doing well and on my way towards a down payment on my first house. I have $12k in my 401k...... I am not rich by anymeans but stable.
How did you manage to get rid of $200k debt? Bankruptcy? Thats the only way I could see it.....
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So why is there never an argument about the insane amounts of money being thrown towards the military from the same people arguing about the insane amount of money being thrown at healthcare?
National Building Code (with the National Electrical Code being part of it) is required and absolute. Code has to be followed. NFPA code requires that fire annunciation devices have a third party certification to them, something UL does. BUT, all that UL is doing is testing the device to see that it performs the way it is designed and told to the public how its supposed to work. The UL can and has certified electrical devices known to be completely unsafe, but because it performed to what it was described to do, it was certified. But the UL doesn't make code, local, county, state, and federal governments make code.
How did you manage to get rid of $200k debt? Bankruptcy? Thats the only way I could see it.....
Nope didnt you see where I
Great credit? I dealed with alot of the companies getting them to work down the cost to 1/3 of the cost, I got huge reductions if i paid lump sums, I got the hospital to eat a large chunk of the bills. Several went into collections, I had to really play hardball with them. They bounced around between sevral collections companies, until it as written off. And as said alot of medical debt afects you differently. i also got some charities to cover alot of the bills. I do understand when it comes to old people they might not get as much help as i did.
I didn't say it was easy it was a huge pain in the ***, and i was a burden to society. I was part of the rise in healthcare costs.
It's ****ed up and not right. I dropped to a crappier health insurance 4 months before Iot cancer. I also wiped out just about ever cent i had and went into credit card debt. That was the debt i really had to fight down, since I was useless for 7 months. Busted my *** working to pay off a lot. Put my education on hold. Set my life back a few years.
But all is good I think I became a much stronger, dedicated, and more focused individual from that. But did set me back about 3-5 years in career paths.
Not much going on, replaced my Kenwood double din stereo with a Pioneer double din, the Kenwood had problems. Then replaced my power inverter for my reverse...
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