Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

[FirebirdGT]

Number of jobs created under Democratic vs. Republican administrations going back 90.5 years.

Republicans - 0.7 million jobs per year over 48 years
Democrats - 1.7 million jobs per year over 42.5 years


Average annual GDP growth from 1930 to 2007 based on Bureau of Economic Analysis data.

Republican administrations: 1.76%
Democratic administrations: 4.64%


Performance of the S&P 500 stock index over the last 82.5 years (source: "Bulls, Bears, Donkeys, and Elephants" - NY Times 10/12/08, with subsequent index changes through 9-16-2011).

Republican administrations (40 years): 5% (cumulative, not annualized)
Democratic administrations (42.5 years): 4,441%


Annualized income growth from 1948 to 2005 for the 20th/40th/60th/80th/95th percentiles of income, respectively:

Republican administrations: 0.4% / 0.8% / 1.1% / 1.5% / 1.9%
Democratic administrations: 2.6% / 2.5% / 2.5% / 2.4% / 2.1%


History of Surpluses and Deficits

http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of...ted-states.php




Comments?

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[DAS BOOT]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

I lean more republican.... But you cannot use those numbers as a administration policies....

Are there going to be job increases or decreases during the .com boom. It had nothing to do with politics, it was new technology and a boom because of it.
Then you have something like 9/11 which put a severe impact on certain industries overnight.

I haven't had many jobs in my life, but I can tell you a corporation or rich person paid me. When costs fluctuated and profits dropped... Employees and customers took the burden.




Personally beyond politics, I think we should tax corporations less, and focus on the people, and more importantly... Base it on what people spend.

[3.4 slow to go]

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how big has govt grown throughout the years, and how much has that growth cost?

I don't care about which party, they each over spend, one title just spends it faster than another.

how about a debt increase per administration/party for same time frames?

[DAS BOOT]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

how big has govt grown throughout the years, and how much has that growth cost?

I don't care about which party, they each over spend, one title just spends it faster than another.

how about a debt increase per administration/party for same time frames?

Agreed...

IMO... we need to quite babying people.


This morning on, I was watching Sunday morning. They brought up a decendent of Rin Tin Tin, and they talked about how he described the american spirit. Honorable, self sufficient, smart, etc...


Seems nowadays, people sort of stopped caring. Live withing my means? why, I can foreclose, and move on. Don't pay bills, government will give me food, hell good food. Can't feed my kid? Ehh... there is WIC.

Hell over on cz28.com... one guy actually was collecting WIC, yes government money because he does not have the ability to feed his children on his own.

His cars... built 408, LS1 F-body, for the fun car, and CTS-V as a DD, and his wife had a lifted 4x4 2k7 Xterra.

I think crap like that needs to stop. I think people need to learn, live in your means, or starve, freeze, and be naked.


The I don't want to take that job... I make more on unemployment, groups need to stop.

I have managed people that literally, were 18-25 years old, not in school, no children, but COULD NOT work more then 25 hours a week at close to min wage. Why? affected there welfare, and well it messed with there "clubbing"


CUT spending, Cut social programs, cut taxes, let people deal with there own money.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

I lean more republican.... But you cannot use those numbers as a administration policies....

Administration....no, PARTY....YES. Its not so much the Obama, Clinton, and previous Democrat administrations as it is the party policies set in place that help. The administration is at the mercy of congress, but numbers like these are gained or lost when Congress and the administration at 1600 Penn. Ave are of the same party and democrat. Bush created this in the last years in office by allowing Wall St and banks to do whatever they want unrestricted, and it only took a few months to bring it all down. Its going to take YEARS to recover from it, regardless whos in office. Obama was handed a stacked deck, and everyone expects overnight results. Running our government is like steering a cruise ship, its not going to turn fast.

Are there going to be job increases or decreases during the .com boom. It had nothing to do with politics, it was new technology and a boom because of it.
Then you have something like 9/11 which put a severe impact on certain industries overnight.

The .com boom and bust was almost the same time as the 9/11 attacks, and was 10 years ago. Those numbers given were over a much larger time frame, in some cases 8x longer than what info would be given for what you've stated.

I haven't had many jobs in my life, but I can tell you a corporation or rich person paid me. When costs fluctuated and profits dropped... Employees and customers took the burden.

Its what happens when a corporation is allowed to monopolize the market, control a slew of lobbyists, and feed their employees that rhetoric about the "trickle down economy". If its not blatantly clear by now that the trickle down economy doesn't work, then you need to take a look around. Sorry to say kids, but true capitalism fails as hard as true communism. A balance is needed, and we're way too far in the capitalism side to win. If anyone here thinks capitalism won the economic war against communism/socialism, then make sure you tell China that.

Allowing corporations to be taxed less only gets us one more step to allowing corporate rule of land. They already control a large portion of the decisions in Washington thru lobbyists....lobbyists that we CANNOT afford. Plenty of corporations find so many tax loopholes they pay absolutely nothing in tax (GE anyone?)

We need...

• Government control of Wall St.
• Reformed and simplified tax law where EVERYONE and every corporation pays their fair share
• Minimize outsourcing and bring manufacturing back to the states and dissolving current trade agreements with Asia/Central America. Start slapping tariffs and taxes on imported goods with less than 50% of the product being made in the US.

I work damn hard doing what I do, and I refuse to have my pay and benefits set by the market. I am not a commodity to be traded. I am a person. I will set the price of my services. If you're content with what you make, and allow a corporation and the market to dictate what you should be getting paid, you deserve nothing. Either fight for it, or lay down and take the anal reaming. I prefer to fight.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

Agreed...

IMO... we need to quite babying people.


This morning on, I was watching Sunday morning. They brought up a decendent of Rin Tin Tin, and they talked about how he described the american spirit. Honorable, self sufficient, smart, etc...


Seems nowadays, people sort of stopped caring. Live withing my means? why, I can foreclose, and move on. Don't pay bills, government will give me food, hell good food. Can't feed my kid? Ehh... there is WIC.

Hell over on cz28.com... one guy actually was collecting WIC, yes government money because he does not have the ability to feed his children on his own.

His cars... built 408, LS1 F-body, for the fun car, and CTS-V as a DD, and his wife had a lifted 4x4 2k7 Xterra.

I think crap like that needs to stop. I think people need to learn, live in your means, or starve, freeze, and be naked.


The I don't want to take that job... I make more on unemployment, groups need to stop.

I have managed people that literally, were 18-25 years old, not in school, no children, but COULD NOT work more then 25 hours a week at close to min wage. Why? affected there welfare, and well it messed with there "clubbing"


CUT spending, Cut social programs, cut taxes, let people deal with there own money.

Again, the SAME loopholes that people get WIC and unemployment are no different than the loopholes that corporations find to get out of paying their fair share. But I see no mention of those corporate loopholes anywhere in your post. Hypocrisy? I think so.....

I will say this, if more people were offered jobs with decent pay and benefits instead of a job making minimum wage and paying for COBRA, Im betting good money that their would be less and less people on these social programs. The jobs created currently are nothing more than fry cookers and cashiers at McDonalds, and no one is supporting a family on minimum wage in this country. Inflation is always on the rise, but wages never increase. In most cases, people are forced to take a lower paying job just to cover rent, and barely eat. And you expect these people to not be on some government assistance? You're not going to survive on $8.50 an hour without some assistance.

This country has been a "live to work" state for awhile now, the "work to live" idea has been dead for some time.

[DAS BOOT]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

You are right you are not a commodity, you are a person. No matter how little you do.... You will still be coverd and protective.

We all know how people are not inheritantly lazy.....


Just because you a a person does not mean you are worth anything. You need to strive to make yourself valuable. Even if it means you are not all the manager, but just a worker. Sorry we each our children that they are all special.

[Mogobs30th]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

You are right you are not a commodity, you are a person. No matter how little you do.... You will still be coverd and protective.

We all know how people are not inheritantly lazy.....


Just because you a a person does not mean you are worth anything. You need to strive to make yourself valuable. Even if it means you are not all the manager, but just a worker. Sorry we each our children that they are all special.

Would you put any pride in a job paying you minimum wage and offering no insurance or bennies at all? I sure wouldn't. Honest days pay for an honest days labor. You pay someone minimum wage, you deserve minimum work. Its that simple.

[Docta]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

WHYYY must I run into politics everywhere I GO!?

[DAS BOOT]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

Would you put any pride in a job paying you minimum wage and offering no insurance or bennies at all? I sure wouldn't. Honest days pay for an honest days labor. You pay someone minimum wage, you deserve minimum work. Its that simple.

What you do is you take that job because you are to proud to take a handout.

Then you use that displeasure for your job to bust your *** and make yourself a more desired employee working above your current position.

I worked one to prep for my child's birth... Come on I worked at a dollar theatre, while I finished school. Then I bought a heater car to get me around to prep for my families future.

[FirebirdGT]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

how about a debt increase per administration/party for same time frames?

Good point.
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[FirebirdGT]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

Stick to a discussion of the data!
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[Mogobs30th]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

What you do is you take that job because you are to proud to take a handout.

Then you use that displeasure for your job to bust your *** and make yourself a more desired employee working above your current position.

I worked one to prep for my child's birth... Come on I worked at a dollar theatre, while I finished school. Then I bought a heater car to get me around to prep for my families future.

From my point of view, you accepted a situation handed to you because you weren't in a position to fight. I have no kids, no one relying on my paycheck, no other mouth to feed but my own. I have nothing to lose from fighting for what I want. You want me to bust my ***, pay me. Its a mutual trust. No one should bust their *** for minimum wage in a HOPE that there will be a better opportunity. You want something, you take it. I wait for NOTHING. Time is the most costly thing in your life, and if you want to piss it away waiting for an opportunity from the bottom rung of the ladder, its your life. There are plenty of people out there with college degrees flipping burgers right now, so you are not immune.

Stick to a discussion of the data!

Its pretty simple. The data basically shows that the republican party does little to create any jobs or opportunities to the American people. Their interests in my opinion lie only with those people throwing in on their campaigns, and those of the wealthy.

[insidethreat07]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

Would you put any pride in a job paying you minimum wage and offering no insurance or bennies at all? I sure wouldn't. Honest days pay for an honest days labor. You pay someone minimum wage, you deserve minimum work. Its that simple.

:tup:
I currently work for minimum wage while going through college and my motta is "minimum wage, minimum effort." But I have had jobs where I made more than min wage and took a lot more pride in what I did because I felt like I made a little difference.

[2.8 Bird]

Re: Jobs - GDP - S&P - Income

Stats, GDP, S&P, Income and such really depends on time and condition of the country's economic status. I've flip flop between Dems. and Reps. I think it's stupid to be loyal to just one party. It usually means you have to accept all of their BS policies and you can't criticize them for anything. Even they themselves are not true to their own core belief.

But what people should really look at are the core believes of these parties:

Republicans believe that each person is responsible for his or her own place in society. Government should enable each person the ability to secure the benefits of society for themselves, their families and for those who are unable to care for themselves. The Republican philosophy is based on limiting the intervention of government as a catalyst of individual prosperity. Government should only intervene in specific cases where society cannot effectively act at the individual level. With the core belief that individual destiny should be in the individual’s hands, governmental power and resources should be kept close to the people, through their state and community leaders, and not centralized in distant federal government agencies.

Democrats believe it is the responsibility of government to care for all individuals, even if it means giving up some individual rights and/or subordinating enterprise and initiative. Democrat Party administrations have pushed for the centralization of power in Washington D.C., with only secondary consideration for the rights of both individuals and communities. Democrats have favored federal-level interventions that replace community-based solutions to community problems. These tactics have created several federal regulations and controls