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Re: What really gets me mad...
here's my take on this:
1) the law is there to protect other people, not the smokers themselves...If I work at a bar, your killing me...Don't tell someone to go find a job elsewhere when that could be their livelyhood...think about this...in bars you'll make wage+tip...that probably equates to about 20$/hr...where else are you going to make that kinda money unless you have an education (not saying ppl who work in bars don't) but its not like going out and finding a new job at bestbuy or somewhere like that, its much harder to find that kinda paying job (especially for college students who I would say make up the majority of people who work in a bar)
2) when you affect other people with your smoking, that costs either tax payers money (for us with free healthcare) or in your guys cases that individual possibly 1000's of $ for medical attention concerning breathing, asthma, etc. The law is there to protect them.
3) if they don't "ban" it in bars, those bartenders who choose to disallow it will loose TONS of money and make an impact on the economy. (think loss of jobs due to loss of buisness, etc, etc, etc snowball effect) By banning it province/state wide it levels the playing field.
4) with today's OHS (occupational health and Safety) standards...an employer MUST do everything within their power to keep employees safe...how do you propose that they keep their workers safe when second hand smoke is a LEADING killer today? Have those workers wear PPE? gas masks? I don't think that's going to fly very well in this kind of scenario.
You know the same way how people are sueing companies from the 60's because they worked in plants full of asbestos and are now terminally ill due to the cancer affects? What do you think is going to happen with those bars that allow smoking and their employers are diagnosed with cancer due to second hand smoke? Same kinda thing... just like their are government regulations in place for asbestos now, same thing is happening with smoking.
Why do you need to smoke 50m away from any building? Because that smoke could potentially be sucked in through nearby windows or the HVAC system.
When I studied OHS we were taught that the law should basically be called "smoke in the rain" because legally you can't even smoke under an umbrella as it constitutes as a structure, therefore meaning you basically have to smoke in the rain.
Do I agree with not being able to smoke under an umbrella? (umbrella meaning like a work picnic table with the big umbrella, not the one you hold in your hand) No I don't, I think that's stupid...your outside, other people can move around just as easy as you can.
I think the building rule should only apply to certain buildings...for instance a government structure with no windows until 2-3 stories up will have no issue if you smoke right beside the wall...therefore IMO you shouldn't have to be the 50ft (or meters which ever it is) away from the building...However, buildings like hospitals that have windows on every floor you should need to smoke away from the building.
You guys are thinking only about yourselves here, expand your mind a little...remember the law is put into place for the greatest good for the greatest number of people.
I agree it does infringe on your rights, and the rights of bar owners...but it's there to protect the majority of the people...just like it is OK to discriminate when hiring people for a job under certain circumstances (research BFOR) it is OK to discriminate against smokers in this case in order to protect the health of the majority of individuals.
here's my take on this:
1) the law is there to protect other people, not the smokers themselves...If I work at a bar, your killing me...Don't tell someone to go find a job elsewhere when that could be their livelyhood...think about this...in bars you'll make wage+tip...that probably equates to about 20$/hr...where else are you going to make that kinda money unless you have an education (not saying ppl who work in bars don't) but its not like going out and finding a new job at bestbuy or somewhere like that, its much harder to find that kinda paying job (especially for college students who I would say make up the majority of people who work in a bar)
2) when you affect other people with your smoking, that costs either tax payers money (for us with free healthcare) or in your guys cases that individual possibly 1000's of $ for medical attention concerning breathing, asthma, etc. The law is there to protect them.
3) if they don't "ban" it in bars, those bartenders who choose to disallow it will loose TONS of money and make an impact on the economy. (think loss of jobs due to loss of buisness, etc, etc, etc snowball effect) By banning it province/state wide it levels the playing field.
4) with today's OHS (occupational health and Safety) standards...an employer MUST do everything within their power to keep employees safe...how do you propose that they keep their workers safe when second hand smoke is a LEADING killer today? Have those workers wear PPE? gas masks? I don't think that's going to fly very well in this kind of scenario.
You know the same way how people are sueing companies from the 60's because they worked in plants full of asbestos and are now terminally ill due to the cancer affects? What do you think is going to happen with those bars that allow smoking and their employers are diagnosed with cancer due to second hand smoke? Same kinda thing... just like their are government regulations in place for asbestos now, same thing is happening with smoking.
Why do you need to smoke 50m away from any building? Because that smoke could potentially be sucked in through nearby windows or the HVAC system.
When I studied OHS we were taught that the law should basically be called "smoke in the rain" because legally you can't even smoke under an umbrella as it constitutes as a structure, therefore meaning you basically have to smoke in the rain.
Do I agree with not being able to smoke under an umbrella? (umbrella meaning like a work picnic table with the big umbrella, not the one you hold in your hand) No I don't, I think that's stupid...your outside, other people can move around just as easy as you can.
I think the building rule should only apply to certain buildings...for instance a government structure with no windows until 2-3 stories up will have no issue if you smoke right beside the wall...therefore IMO you shouldn't have to be the 50ft (or meters which ever it is) away from the building...However, buildings like hospitals that have windows on every floor you should need to smoke away from the building.
You guys are thinking only about yourselves here, expand your mind a little...remember the law is put into place for the greatest good for the greatest number of people.
I agree it does infringe on your rights, and the rights of bar owners...but it's there to protect the majority of the people...just like it is OK to discriminate when hiring people for a job under certain circumstances (research BFOR) it is OK to discriminate against smokers in this case in order to protect the health of the majority of individuals.
Guys guys.. He's Canadian.. What do you expect? No offense letzride.
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