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You may feel that way regarding the "let's not blame one person for the mess we're in", but that sure wasn't the case from'00-'08.
And you're right about most people having made up their minds already.
Cool, that's you. How about the 300,000,000-1 people left?
To be honest, I don't care about them individually, if you can understand that.
But I don't support big business governing themselves unchecked. I'd rather have a bigger government where I could voice my opinion than a big business in control where I have no say at all. The GOP support letting big business off their leash and want to allow them to govern themselves, and I tell you now that is NOT a good idea. I have seen many companies pervert and twist the meaning of capitalism, and it's been one **** up after another.
Go ahead and allow deregulation of corporate America, and you might as well wad that constitution of ours up. We'll be voting for the congress of Walmart.
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Back on topic, Jerry Seinfeld was good for laughs on TV.
I laughed harder when Santorum attacked the Porn Industry. Gee Rick, you lost my vote. It's just sex....
ANY women on here would like to chime in???
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But I don't support big business governing themselves unchecked. I'd rather have a bigger government where I could voice my opinion than a big business in control where I have no say at all. The GOP support letting big business off their leash and want to allow them to govern themselves, and I tell you now that is NOT a good idea. I have seen many companies pervert and twist the meaning of capitalism, and it's been one **** up after another.
Go ahead and allow deregulation of corporate America, and you might as well wad that constitution of ours up. We'll be voting for the congress of Walmart.
I don't really know anybody who wants zero rules for business in the country. Sure the terms "free market" and "deregulation" are thrown around a lot, but you can still have a free(er) market and deregulation and still have the rules and regulations needed to keep things on the up and up. More rules/regulations doesn't always translate into more "corporate responsibility" or "better business practices." Those who do shady business will always do shady business, its just a matter of how hard they have to work to hide it from the Government.
Also you're already voting for the congress of Walmart, or GE, or PETA, or Lockheed Martin, or Goldman Sachs, or ExxonMobil, or the UAW, or any group who pays your local Congressman or Senators the most money to help them get elected. Thats not a deregulation issue, thats a term limit, corporate contribution to election(s), and ethics in politics issue.
Also you're already voting for the congress of Walmart, or GE, or PETA, or Lockheed Martin, or Goldman Sachs, or ExxonMobil, or the UAW, or any group who pays your local Congressman or Senators the most money to help them get elected. Thats not a deregulation issue, thats a term limit, corporate contribution to election(s), and ethics in politics issue.
This :tup:
I think our forefathers really screwed up by not putting term-limits in the constitution. Most of the jokers in Washington are on a lifetime political career path, and have never had a real job :(
Term limits? LOL. Not sure what thats going to do. You're just going to end up with a different puppet, but in the end, its still a puppet. Term limits just tell Congress how long that puppet can have its strings pulled, but again, ITS STILL A PUPPET. Its like changing socks. I can put on a different pair everyday, but they're all still white.
You want to change something, you gotta go after whoevers pulling the strings. I think a maximum political contribution from a specified organization would be better, although Im sure that can be screwed over with loopholes.
I got more, but Im just too damn tired to type. I haven't worked an 8 hour day in 5 months now....I think if I ever got one it would be like doing a part time job.
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To be honest, I don't care about them individually, if you can understand that.
But I don't support big business governing themselves unchecked. I'd rather have a bigger government where I could voice my opinion than a big business in control where I have no say at all. The GOP support letting big business off their leash and want to allow them to govern themselves, and I tell you now that is NOT a good idea. I have seen many companies pervert and twist the meaning of capitalism, and it's been one **** up after another.
Go ahead and allow deregulation of corporate America, and you might as well wad that constitution of ours up. We'll be voting for the congress of Walmart.
Huh???
Let's see. Big government tax the hell out of us because they are costing us money and they are not creating economic growth.
Big Businesses create economic growth, provide jobs, wealth for the nation, and future for our kids.
I agree that there should be regulation for businesses, but big government shouldn't starts putting their foot in their business e.i. they shouldn't be bailed out if they fail.
Big Businesses create economic growth, provide jobs, wealth for the nation, and future for our kids.
I "love" this. :twak:
Business does NOT create jobs. The "job creators" are NOT the investors and company executives.
CUSTOMERS create jobs. Why is this fundamental truth so hard for people to understand? Without customers, there is NO business. It's called bankrupcy - when you don't figure that out.
Quote from Nick Hanaur, a founder of Second Aveue Partners, a venture capital company:
When business people take credit for creating jobs, it is sqirrels taking credit for creating evolution.
I've never been a "job creator". I can start a business based on a great idea, and initially hire dozons or hundreds of people. But if no one can afford to buy what I have to sell, my business will soon fail and all those jobs will evaporate.
That's why I can say with confidence that rich people don't create jobs, nor do businesses, large or small. What does lead to more employment is the feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers can set in motion a virtuous cycle that allows companies to survive and thrive and business owners to hire. An ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job creator than I ever have been or ever will be.
Business people do two things with their time fundamentally. The first is that they try to create sales, right? Revenue, key to business. But the other thing they devote their time to equally is cost containment. That is to say, how to not create jobs. Because the fewer jobs you can create for the revenue you create, the more profit you make. The only time that businesses create jobs is when middle-class consumers essentially put a gun to our heads in the form of orders for products that we cannot make ourselves, and then we hire people and create jobs.
CUSTOMERS create jobs. Why is this fundamental truth so hard for people to understand? Without customers, there is NO business.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Any good businessman knows that a business or an idea is only good if you can sell it. You need a market, you need customers. This is the number one thing in business, if you have customers you can make your business work. If you don't have customers you will be out of business. You can make the best performing product in the world, but it will be the worst product in the world if you can't sell it.
You would be amazed how many incompetent people have sold a product or business because there was a market for it that no one filled. Furthermore many of those incompetent people end up owning medium and huge businesses. You don't have to be competent yourself, because customers will give you money and you will hire employees that are competent and you can even hire competent executives since you're not competent to manage at scale. This creates jobs. If your faith is in giving support to these big businesses from the top down, in the hopes of creating jobs, you're wrong. The only reason these people are where they are is because of customers.
Example; Let's say we want American car companies to boost our economy. There are two scenarios; You could give some short term incentives to individuals that buy American, the consumers themselves. If they like the product the incentive will boost sales and American car companies will have to build more cars and hire more people to satisfy demand. The second scenario is giving incentives to the companies themselves. Sure they can theoretically use the money to build better cars, build more cars, and hire staff. However who will they sell those cars to? In the first scenario you're helping boost actual sales of actual products that will result in actual growth in demand, since you only pay when customers choose American. In the second scenario you're giving out money and betting/hoping that the company will make something someone will want to buy. Which scenario makes sense to you?
EDIT: I'm guessing someone will argue that incentives in my example would be the only reason consumers would buy and we can't give out incentives forever. This is obvious. American cars are just an example, incentives should be given to consumers in viable markets. If consumers don't want to buy from Detroit, incentives should instead be given to consumers in other markets where American business can succeed against it's foreign competition.
Business does NOT create jobs. The "job creators" are NOT the investors and company executives.
CUSTOMERS create jobs. Why is this fundamental truth so hard for people to understand? Without customers, there is NO business. It's called bankrupcy - when you don't figure that out.
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Let me see. Big Business does NOT create itself-it doesn't happen that way. Of course it needs customers and consumers for it to happen. It wouldn't be a Big Business at all. Dude, that's already a given. :spank:
My beef here is that Wes said he would rather have Big Government, which we know requires tax money and lots of it to sustain that and it doesn't do squat for the country.
I live in Calif. Let see. Big businesses left my state and moved to other states like Nevada, Texas, Arizona and so on and yes even Puerto Rico and China. Unemployment in my area is still 16% regardless of what liberal medias are saying.
Pass 3 years since Obama came into office government office here grew and so has our taxes and budget. Our state last I heard was getting 450 million dollars more in taxes from the fed and yet we are still in debt.
This is why Calif. sucks. The wages for these guys grew 40% more over the past couple of years while in the economic situation is in a slump.
My beef here is that Wes said he would rather have Big Government, which we know requires tax money and lots of it to sustain that and it doesn't do squat for the country.
Well we could stop wasting money on wars and sweetheart rebuilding contracts for the said big businesses, while doing nothing at all to help our country.
I live in Calif. Let see. Big businesses left my state and moved to other states like Nevada, Texas, Arizona and so on and yes even Puerto Rico and China.
You may claim that California's government was too big, but the truth is they just did the wrong things. While you may think having a small/powerless government solves this problem, this is not reality. Whoever is in control/power will cause the same exact problem, if they are ****ing up. If the government leaves a vacuum someone will fill it. You think if the private sector fills the vacuum left by the government things will be better?
If your local business are moving to Texas, obviously it's California's fault. We moved offices to Houston from Florida. Couldn't find enough competent employees in Florida. We were short handed for a year because there was no one worth hiring, despite going to every nearby college/university monthly. We had to ship people in from out of state until we decided to get the hell out of there.
Unemployment in my area is still 16% regardless of what liberal medias are saying.
Pretty sure the media isn't responsible for the reported unemployment rate, the U.S. Dept. of Labor is.
Pass 3 years since Obama came into office government office here grew and so has our taxes and budget. Our state last I heard was getting 450 million dollars more in taxes from the fed and yet we are still in debt.
It's Obama's fault that the state of California is in debt?
I have my own small business and I know what's going on and why it's getting harder to have a business.
Maybe you're in the wrong business? I'm not having any problems at the moment, doing better than ever.
Well we could stop wasting money on wars and sweetheart rebuilding contracts for the said big businesses, while doing nothing at all to help our country.
Don't mix business with war. They are 2 different things.
You may claim that California's government was too big, but the truth is they just did the wrong things. While you may think having a small/powerless government solves this problem, this is not reality. Whoever is in control/power will cause the same exact problem, if they are ****ing up. If the government leaves a vacuum someone will fill it. You think if the private sector fills the vacuum left by the government things will be better?
Agree, they did the wrong things for too long now and making a living here is getting harder for us. These Big Gov. rode on California's past success because Calif. was the 8th largest economic powerhouse in the world. But like I said Businesses has left this state and this Bloated Gov. with their bloated paychecks won't shrink themselves.
Pretty sure the media isn't responsible for the reported unemployment rate, the U.S. Dept. of Labor is.
It's Obama's fault that the state of California is in debt?
Maybe you're in the wrong business? I'm not having any problems at the moment, doing better than ever.
I never said it was Obama's fault. Obama did the right thing by increasing the fed. funding to support education and other public service, Calif. Bloated Government just don't manage themselves well and decided to increase their pay and their size thinking a fellow Dem. would continue to back them up.
To be honest, California itself is bloated. Its housing is bloated, its government is bloated, its debt is bloated, its ego is bloated, all because of Californias failing economy and housing bubble. Ive seen the prices of houses out there, its ungodly outrageous. No wonder people out there can't make ends meet. It has NOTHING to do with your government, which in itself is a useless waste of mass itself. But your state is screwed because of its economics. You've all outpriced yourselves until demand said no more.
California's problems are from issues arising in California. Has almost nothing to do with whatevers going on in D.C. Not saying IL is much better, but atleast its still affordable. If I wanted to, I could afford to live in the city itself fairly cheaply. I couldn't come CLOSE to LA unless I was making a 6 digit income. Your economy has fuct itself, don't blame the feds for that one.
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