hp goal question

[3.8lcoty]

Re: hp goal question

would a 400 rwhp camaro be able to get a 11sec car and would a 50 shot plus 400 rwhp be pushing the stock bottom end,and i was wondering is a t56 makeing it harder to reach a 11 sec car because i know i wanna be abel to do strip and track and idk if an auto is good at track

and i am thinking about getting a watts link set up since i wont a duel purpose car

[1998silverbird]

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The best way to get your goal would be a Auto with a 3200 or bigger stall converter. Once you get your cam specs and the flow numbers on your heads, and your rear end gear ratio you can get a stall custom made for your setup. Another thing you have to watch out for is a Auto and 12 bolt will eat up more power since they are heavier and more parts to turn and what not. Your drivetrain loss will be more with a A4/12bolt then it is with a T5/10bolt.

If you are serious about spending 12000 on your car then I would build a motor or buy a built shortblock just so you have that added confidence. You dont want to spend 1000's on heads and cam just to have a rod break and go through the heads. What I did was got a storage unit, since I was living in a apartment, and just put my old Longblock which I spun rod bearings on and all the aftermarket parts for it in there as well. Once I got everything I took the motor over to the machine shop with the rotating assembly, Heads, cam, ect and told them to built, Balance, shot peen everything. While all this was going on I was still driving my firebird with the stock motor and the 125 shot.

The stock motors are stout. Mine took 68 bottles of N20 before I broke a piston and a buddy was spraying a 200 shot and went 12.8@116mph with just bolt ons and 200 shot. He put maybe 20 bottles and 10-15 passes @ the track before he broke a piston in his motor. I never made a clean pass with the 125 shot @ the track. I did go 14.3 @ 102mph with a 90 shot. I would guess with a 125 shot I would have trapped 105mph which is stock LS1 territory. Think in total with my stock motor I had around 1000.00 in aftermarket performance parts including my N20 kit, RK sport headers and y-pipe, lid, and fuel pump. My car dynoed 186rwhp and 200 tq on motor and 313rwhp and 433 tq on the 125 shot on the stock motor with a stock tune..

If you are going to do Nitrous you want a N20 cam that will make max tq from 3000 and hold it as long as it can. On my stock motor it made max tq @ 3000 rpms which was 433tq but by 4000 rpms that number was down to 328tq. The HP held over 300 from 3000-5000. With my N20 cam it hit 400 tq @ 3000 and hit max 415 tq @ 4000 but held over 400 tq past 5000 before the bottle pressure started to drop off a bit. Still @ 5800 my tq was over 300 ftlbs. I am sure if I could have tuned the A/f to a 11.5 range from the 10.0 it was at I probably would have seen over 500 ftlbs and well over 400 hp at the wheels.

Nitrous is a drug.. You start out small and spraying only through 3rd gear or spraying just when you need to but in the end you are running a big shot and spraying on everything because its so fun and it really is a rush. Not like fast n furious but everyone that took a ride in my car I could scare ****less. Nothing like dropping it in 3rd gear @ 60mph on the highway and breaking the tires loose from the initial hit of the gas.

Sorry for rambling on but make sure whoever tunes your car knows what they are doing. The tune is everything. It will keep your motor together.

[3.8lcoty]

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what if i wont a duel purpose track and strip car would the t56 with a 9in rear end with a watts link and gears work

[3.8lcoty]

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and your car sounds bad *** and with the tune stuff i wonted to go to an import guy because they are use to tuning smaller engines with turbos and all and probably know more tricks than a guy that can only tune ls1's

[1998silverbird]

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I dont know what a Watts link is but as far as T56 and 9inch it will work for drag racing. Dont know a whole lot about Auto cross I guess you are saying? Its also hard to get a 11sec car to do well in both road race and drag race yet alone a V6 f-body!

You might be better off getting a LS1 camaro for Drag racing and using you V6 for Autocross or Z28 for Autocross and V6 for drag racing..

[1998silverbird]

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Your car is not a small engine compared to imports! My 300 ZX had a 3.0 v6 in it and that was considered a big motor. Tuning a 3.8 and tuning a LS1 is pretty much the same now. You can use HP tuners and if you can find someone who is good @ tuning with HP tuners thats really all you need. Were are you located?

Before you start doing your build make a decision. Do you want a HP goal of 400rwhp or a 11Sec 1/4 mile goal? I would aim for one. If you want a 400 HP goal then yes I would just use 1 car to do both drag racing and road racing but keep in mind it might not be an 11 sec ride but still be in that 400 hp range. Like said before its very hard to get a car to do well in both area's.

Just saw in your profile that your from SC.. Check out this site.. Its the SC f-body association..
http://www.scfba.org/forum/

F-body tuning I know of Heintz racing in Morrisville NC. Dont know how far that is from you..

Keep in mind your gonna get alot of crap for building a V6. Once you start beating modded LS1's then they will really start to dislike you. I was to the point were Heads, Cam LS1 guys were wanting to change there cams and stalls to try to beat my car. That was probably the best. Having a V6 firebird beat a modded LS1 so bad that the LS1 owner was saying just wait untill I get my new stall! I remember when the 04 GTO's came out there was this blue one that use to always hang out with us at car shows and what not and use to always joke on my car. I got sick of it so we ran from a stop and I destroyed him and then we went from a 40 roll because he couldnt get traction.. I destroyed him again. I am talking bus lengths!! Everytime he got a new mod we would run again. Same story over and over. Its nice to have LS1 guys comparing there cars to me in a V6..

[EarlR]

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and i am thinking about getting a watts link set up since i wont a duel purpose car

IMHO (from an SCCA road racer) - Unless you're going to be getting in a lot of track time I wouldn't spend the time or $$$ on a Watts link. There are a lot of things you can do to improve handling (springs, shocks, sway bars, panhard bar w/rod ends, etc) that are easier & cheaper, and will probably offer more noticeable improvement.

I am glad to hear that these engines will handle that much power; now that my Camaro is a "spare" vehicle I'm trying to decide what to do with it, and one of the options is to go with a Squires turbo set-up. I'm not really looking for a 1/4 mile car as much as a good handling street car that I can occasionally take to a track day, so my wants are a little different from the o/p. I would, however, like my "toy" to be a little faster than my d/d, which right now is an Altima SE with a 270 HP VQ35 that will do sub 7 sec 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs in the 14s. I figure if I can squeeze 300 whp out of the L36 that would probably do it. :D

[3.8lcoty]

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yeah i could,but id like the v6 to be a good dd to cause i think it would be awesome to be abel to be fast on the strip and if i wanna take it to the mountains or cruse the track i wont it to be the zr1 of camaro v6s haha


watts link explain
http://www.spitzracing.com/index_files/Page1049.htm

[1998silverbird]

Re: hp goal question

yeah i could,but id like the v6 to be a good dd to cause i think it would be awesome to be abel to be fast on the strip and if i wanna take it to the mountains or cruse the track i wont it to be the zr1 of camaro v6s haha


watts link explain
http://www.spitzracing.com/index_files/Page1049.htm

Well if I were you I would focus on getting 400 rwhp and building it for road course and whatever it runs @ the 1/4 miles track it runs. It will be alot faster then it is now. Might not be 11 seconds but would probably trap in the 120 range which is LS3/C5 Z06 range.. Not to shabby!

[3.8lcoty]

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i mean i think if i do it all the right way it could be a 11 sec car and a fast track car to.

[3.8lcoty]

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yeah i was just looking around at the watts because i mean i think it would help at the strip to because it will keep you from kicking sideways because all the body is going up and down

and i am now located in lincolnton nc ,and you make we wont to hurry up and build up my car talking about makeing ls1s wont to be like a v6

and realy the reason i wanna be both a strip and track car i hate when people are like oh american muscle is only good in a straight line so i wont a car that will tear **** up in a corner and in a straight line

[1998silverbird]

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i mean i think if i do it all the right way it could be a 11 sec car and a fast track car to.

You are probably right.. Money can do alot.

Another thing is after I did my motor build I went into every dyno excpecting a number and was dissapointed every time.. On motor I was excpecting 240-250rwhp but the car only made 225rwhp and on the bottle I was hoping for 400+rwhp and it only made 370rwhp. I learned and ever since I aim for low numbers and most of the time I get surprised like with my Trans am. stock I was looking for 310rwhp and it made 322, with bolt ons I was looking for 330rwhp and it made 340rwhp and on the built motor I was looking for 430rwhp and it made 480rwhp.

[1998silverbird]

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LS1 owners never wish they had a V6. What I was saying is they were wishing there LS1's were as fast as my V6. Keep in mind I spent around 8,000 total to get my car were it was. You can probably build it alot cheaper now as its been 8 years.

The reason I did what I did is because I didnt have the money for a Trans am back then and my Driving record was horrible. The firebird was what I could afford. I started to hang out with V8 f-body owners and every day I heard it over and over. My car is slow, should have gotten a V8. I got sick of it and kinda wanted to prove you could make a V6 just as fast as a LS1 with a little N20 and some bolt ons.

All things being equal I loved my V6 and it was the funnest car I have owned but if I had to do it over again and money wasnt a option I would have bought a C5 Z06 and been done with it. I dont have regrets about any of it as it helped turn me into the car person I am today.

What your hoping for is very possible but there is also a chance that whatever setup you go with might not work. You wont know untill its built and your on the Dyno tuning it. You could dump 12,000 into your car and make 450rwhp but you could also dump that money in your car and make 300rwhp. Do all the research you can. Get the right cam, Blower, Heads, rotating assembly. Dont do as I did and buy everything that sounds good. I wish I would have done a Higher Compression piston. That would have netted me some more power both on and off the bottle. Wish I would have had the heads ported a little more and maybe done bigger valves. Maybe even get a bigger cam then the one I had. Thats about the only regrets I have about my motor. Luckly it made great power on the bottle!!

[3.8lcoty]

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well do you think if you would kept your v6 it could keep up with your ws6 with a little more modding than you did maybe even a realy good tune could of done it.

haha i got beside a ws6 one day and i was just sitting there and i could feel him looking over so i got ready and when the light turned green i gassed it threw first gear then let off because i knew he was going to wax me and i was kinda with him threw first then i let off and he was gone

[3.8lcoty]

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and idk when i think about it i know track days would be expensive and i might not even get to go that much so i gess i am wonting to make a drag car that can be a dd and be good in turns to, so i am about to make a list off all my parts i would wont and see if you wont to add anything take anything out or what