move over lsx

[FIREBIRDV6RAGE]

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do they have a final price yet or do you have to wait also, and just the engine and pcm

[bigbrian442]

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Did you read the part where they are making it hard to tune? You do know HP tuners and EFI live have not been able to tune the LML Duramax PCM's? They have been trying since the 2011's were released. Looks like they are going to do this to all new cars. Guess HPT really loves their idea of tuner lock now that the OEM's are doing it.

[1997Canadian3.8]

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do they have a final price yet or do you have to wait also, and just the engine and pcm

Engine isn't even released yet, $10k range to start. LS9 from the ZL1 goes for $32k plus. Crate motors aren't cheap!!

[FIREBIRDV6RAGE]

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yea i know

[LETZRIDE]

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Did you read the part where they are making it hard to tune? You do know HP tuners and EFI live have not been able to tune the LML Duramax PCM's? They have been trying since the 2011's were released. Looks like they are going to do this to all new cars. Guess HPT really loves their idea of tuner lock now that the OEM's are doing it.

I can see why they're doing that...All the new emissions testing is done through plug/play of the pcms...Hp tuners allows you to circumvent all that stuff.

Worst case scenario for tuning you do a standalone setup...problem with that goes back to passing emissions...now you're back to having to do things under the table which carries with it risks and $$$

[FIREBIRDV6RAGE]

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I can see why they're doing that...All the new emissions testing is done through plug/play of the pcms...Hp tuners allows you to circumvent all that stuff.

Worst case scenario for tuning you do a standalone setup...problem with that goes back to passing emissions...now you're back to having to do things under the table which carries with it risks and $$$

so true....

[VF1Skullangel]

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you drive a fiero. or as i call them, the joe dirt ferrari. yee haw

Id be careful with those words if I were you cause the last time I checked the 4th gen had a reputation of being "King of the trailer park" if I recall correctly.:rant:

Ill accept the Poor mans Ferrari for a better term. :)

6.2L V8... 0-60 in 4 second range, over 400 hp for under $50k... Yeah, that's really overrated. Not to mention you can go up from there to supercar level on the same platform.

In the 1990's this car would have been amazing but the problem is we're approaching 2013 and beyond. The Viper was putting down these numbers back in 1996! now adays the Viper is pushing beyond 600hp and sure its gonna cost 40k more but the base model Vette has to step it up. I really don't see the value in paying at around 50k(Because you know GM and all the dealers will sell at markup and will likely cost much more than 50k) when in a few years later they will start dropping in value like flies and before you know it you can get one for well under 30k. Id wait a few years after its release to get one.

As for the performance, I was really hoping they would match the Viper's 640hp V-10 for under 50k.

[2.8 Bird]

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Sport Cars under 50k will soon be a thing of a past. Only the pony cars will cost below 50k, but the rest will be above, esp. the Vette.

GM will probably come out with a 427ci LT1 to match the Viper's Hp and it will probably be less HP, but the weight and such will be an advantage gain. And let's not forget the ZR1

BTW I love Fieros ... design by Delorean which was done at the same time he was designing the Firebird and his marque.

[vanbibber]

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Id be careful with those words if I were you cause the last time I checked the 4th gen had a reputation of being "King of the trailer park" if I recall correctly.:rant:

Ill accept the Poor mans Ferrari for a better term. :)



In the 1990's this car would have been amazing but the problem is we're approaching 2013 and beyond. The Viper was putting down these numbers back in 1996! now adays the Viper is pushing beyond 600hp and sure its gonna cost 40k more but the base model Vette has to step it up. I really don't see the value in paying at around 50k(Because you know GM and all the dealers will sell at markup and will likely cost much more than 50k) when in a few years later they will start dropping in value like flies and before you know it you can get one for well under 30k. Id wait a few years after its release to get one.

As for the performance, I was really hoping they would match the Viper's 640hp V-10 for under 50k.

dumbest thing ive read in 2 days.

yea lets compare a mass market base model cars motor to a limited number made each year car that is its own brand now. the zr1 does everything a viper does, but better. the only one worth a damn is the acr.

[FIREBIRDV6RAGE]

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dumbest thing ive read in 2 days.

yea lets compare a mass market base model cars motor to a limited number made each year car that is its own brand now. the zr1 does everything a viper does, but better. the only one worth a damn is the acr.

and the beef continues lol^^ .....but anyways that is true the vett is more balanced out than the viper but if you want more power just for straight lines go with the viper. i would personaly chose the corvette

[96blackmaro]

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I wonder if the DI pumps are going to be as bad as the optis can be, although I have yet to have to change an opti in either of the lt1s.

[vanbibber]

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and the beef continues lol^^ .....but anyways that is true the vett is more balanced out than the viper but if you want more power just for straight lines go with the viper. i would personaly chose the corvette

i got no beef, hes just being ignorant. comparing a base model vette motor to a viper motor is like comparing a cessna plane engine to a F22s. its retarded. at this point the difference between a base c6/ future c7 and a new viper is night and day. atleast compare apples to apples, not apples to footballs. one is a mass market car for everyone the other is its own brand because of its limited run numbers. if youre going to compare a 97k msrp car to one atleast have common sense enough to use a comparatively priced corvette built to whip its *** right off the factory floor.

[vanbibber]

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I wonder if the DI pumps are going to be as bad as the optis can be, although I have yet to have to change an opti in either of the lt1s.

lol i doubt that theres going to be problems. DI isnt some new thing they threw in there for the hell of it like the opti-spunk was. id still love to meet the engineer who came up with that one, he needs a swift nut kick

[1997Canadian3.8]

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Bibby said everything needed.

Can't compare two completely different cars. You can't argue against value, there is nothing that makes the Corvette overrated. American icon, cheap go fast and easily modded.

Decrease in value? Virtually every car decreases in value. Doesn't matter what it is. Don't take stabs at a car because you can't afford to own a new one.

The Viper will never be more than it is now, Fiat wont let it out do the Ferraris in performance. Corvette on the other hand, has the sky as the limit.

[VF1Skullangel]

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i got no beef, hes just being ignorant. comparing a base model vette motor to a viper motor is like comparing a cessna plane engine to a F22s. its retarded. at this point the difference between a base c6/ future c7 and a new viper is night and day. atleast compare apples to apples, not apples to footballs. one is a mass market car for everyone the other is its own brand because of its limited run numbers. if youre going to compare a 97k msrp car to one atleast have common sense enough to use a comparatively priced corvette built to whip its *** right off the factory floor.

How I'm I being ignorant when comparing the base model of the Viper to the base model corvette? I think thats a damn good comparison! But a lot of Corvette nutzwingers out there love pairing up the base model Viper against the plus model vette(ZR1,Z06) and call it fair, same with several other cars. Whats their excuse? Price?

No one cars about price! The numbers I care about is the performance! and besides isn't the Vette suppose to be the best bang for the buck super car killer? Should we include the base GTR, M412C, F458 and Gallardo, 911 Turbo in this to? I think not....

Bibby said everything needed.
Doesn't matter what it is. Don't take stabs at a car because you can't afford to own a new one.

The Viper will never be more than it is now, Fiat wont let it out do the Ferraris in performance. Corvette on the other hand, has the sky as the limit.

Its funny how you say don't take stabs at a car because you can't afford a new one, I wouldn't want a brand new corvette cause in 5 years from now it will go from costing 50k down to 20k. They do not hold their value really well compared with other cars in its class. I'm already seeing several C6's for under 30k it will only be a matter of time before I start seeing them in the mid to low teens. And the C5 is one hell of a deal by todays standards cause if you look hard enough you could get one for around 10k or so and thats grampas baby not being abused. The C4 I was looking at before I bought the Fiero was going for $2200 and was damn good shape, the car ended up selling for $1300.


You think that with the Viper is hitting the glass ceiling so quickly is foolish. We've only seen the GTS model, we don't know if they are going to do an ACR, GTS-R to compete against the Z06 and ZR1 cause you know they probably will. Ferrari isn't like GM that will shut down a project because its faster than the Corvette like they did with the Buick Grand National back in the 80's. They allowed the Maserati MC12 to be "Slightly" faster than the Enzo, not to mention be more exclusive with a limited production run of 30 units or something like that. The Enzo replacement will probably put up Veyron like performance numbers if not better so building a production car that can top that for less than a 100k thats not a tuner or a kit car is highly unlikely. Even if they built a Super snake its gonna probably cost a hefty penny.