Think Pres. Bush will win his 2nd term

[Mighty Thor]

Now lets discuss this in a mature adult manner and let's not attack each others opinion so it doesn't get LOCKED. Constructive disagreement and opinion is OK but not attacking each others character or making idiotic political statements.

I'm especially refering to 98V6 and Hawg.
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Kerry and Edwards seems to be in a slight lead. Bush and Chenny is slowly dropping.

The improving economy did help boost Bush/Chenny but the movie Farenheit-9/11, the number of protest on war and now the entertainment celebraties are doing their own bashing that seems to hamper them down again.

Now the Democratic Convention is coming up. That usually has a great effect on boosting the candidates up. But will Bush ever rebound?

Historically it's been known that no Pres. has ever lost a 2nd term election in time of War. I wonder if Bush will be the first.

Eventhough I've voted Democrats pretty much since I became legal to vote, this will be the first time I voted Republican.

My main reason is that I know Kerry/Edwards will raise our taxes and pre-maturely end the war on terrorism,and make gay marriages legal.

Now being a God fearing man, I know that Pres. Bush is for family, protecting the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman, and would do a better job on the war against terrorist.

That's my take. If you disagree, I respect that. Your an American and you have the right to it. Now make it contructive.

[hawgs]

Thats hawgS to you buddy.

Polls usually reflect the inner city people more then the rural people so its common knowledge that the polls can be a little biasis towards the democratic party... if you research this you will find this to be true. So chalk up 5% or so for the republican party.

I will not give that ****** Michael Moore enough credit to say that his film full of lies has had any effect on the election. I hope that the American people are smarter then that fatass liberal.

I agree with you when you say that the main reasons for voting republican are because "Kerry/Edwards will raise our taxes and pre-maturely end the war on terrorism,and make gay marriages legal."

[Justin Kirkham]

I think that Bush will with the election, by these results.

Bush/Cheney - 51%
Kerry/Edwards - 46%
Nader/Nader - 1%

Obviously, my number do not add up to 100%. But just imagine that the percentages above have some decimals and numbers after them.

-Justin

[RallyRed 98]

a vote for anarchy is a vote for yourself.

[98v6]

My main reason is that I know Kerry/Edwards will raise our taxes and pre-maturely end the war on terrorism,and make gay marriages legal.

Now being a God fearing man, I know that Pres. Bush is for family, protecting the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman, and would do a better job on the war against terrorist.

Not to be disrespectuful, but these reasons are asanine. First off, we have a MASSIVE deficit. If Bush is re-elected in '04, then whoever, democrat or republican, is elected in '08 will have to raise taxes a LOT just to recover some of that deficit. It is better to pay it off now than to let it grow for another 4 years.

The War on Terror is ridiculous. It's like fighting a war against jealousy. They WANT us to have a war on terror because then terror is always in the news. The best way to fight terrorism is to make the media ignore it, because that denies the terrorists what they want- to frighten people en masse by acts of incredible violence against a few at a time.

The gay marriage thing is just asanine. In '97, Clinton passed a law against it. There, it's over. Illegal, and retarded to argue about it. The entire political backlash caused by talking about an amendment, which is ridiculous because EVERY state has to ratify it, which CALIFORNIA would NOT, thereby negating the effort even if ALL OTHER STATES RATIFIED IT, the entire point of talking about THAT amendment was to divide the democratic party- simply a political ploy to win Democrats' votes.

That being said, I think Kerry will win. My reasons for believing this are: Even in the 2002 elections, which democrats did NOT hardly contest AT ALL, the trend was change. More incumbents in the house and senate were ousted than ever before. Reasons for this trend were the poor economy and just general political unrest. Also, Kerry and Edwards are going to get a lot of support from the east coast that Bush can't really match.

Officially, this election is too close to call. But I have faith in the ability of the American people to choose right over wrong, even if in this case it is left.

[ July 22, 2004, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: 98v6 ]

[98v6]

Originally posted by hawgs:
Thats hawgS to you buddy.

Polls usually reflect the inner city people more then the rural people so its common knowledge that the polls can be a little biasis towards the democratic party... if you research this you will find this to be true. So chalk up 5% or so for the republican party.

I will not give that ****** Michael Moore enough credit to say that his film full of lies has had any effect on the election. I hope that the American people are smarter then that fatass liberal.

I agree with you when you say that the main reasons for voting republican are because "Kerry/Edwards will raise our taxes and pre-maturely end the war on terrorism,and make gay marriages legal."

Man, I am not trying to say that Moore is God or anything like that, but he did bring up some extremely valid points! Give the guy some credit... And yes, of the Repubs I have known who saw the movie, about 3/4 are going to vote kerry now.

Maybe a 2% bias toward the democratic party, not 5% though, and once again, I dislike your reasons for voting Bush.

[02PewterBird]

Originally posted by 98v6:
And yes, of the Repubs I have known who saw the movie, about 3/4 are going to vote kerry now.

Or maybe they said they would so they wouldn't have to listen to you talk anymore?

[speedy-v6-camaro]

Originally posted by 98v6:
The best way to fight terrorism is to make the media ignore it

Good luck....the media follows what will give them ratings...which is terroism....and you can't make the media ignore it...that would be going against the constitution and the foundation of our country.

Originally posted by hawgs:
I hope that the American people are smarter then that fatass liberal.

You give the American people way to much credit. I'd say 75% of Americans believe everything the see on TV or in documentaries because they don't want to do any research on the subjects.

[ABH]

Hmmm, a record deficet. A war started on lies and deceit. A man who claims to have been in a war. A movie that scares the GOP.

BTW, same sex marraige is legal. Whatever law Clinton passed was overturned long ago. The question is do states have to recognize it.


Article IV ( US Constitution )

Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

[ July 22, 2004, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: ABH ]

[camaronat]

I think Bush will win hands down.

Originally posted by: ABH
Hmmm, a record deficet. A war started on lies and deceit. A man who claims to have been in a war. A movie that scares the GOP.

1) We have always been in a deficet, even before we were a country. The only way it will go away is if we make everyone pay up that we have ever helped out. Plus the government in general will need to learn to keep their fingers out of the cookie jar.

2) How do you get that the war was started on lies and deceit? The war on terror? It was started because the president who preceded bush sat on is thumbs and tied the hands of our intelligence gathering.

3) Who cares if he claims he has been in a war or not? At least he didn't go to war. Used connections to get him out before he was supposed to. Used connections to get medals that other people deserved more and ends up throwing them (or someone else's) away. Then upon returning home abandons his fellow soldiers and his country by protesting the war to start his political career. Now he does an about-face an uses his Vietnam Vetran status because he NOW feels that it is to his advantage.

Now tell me how that is better than "claiming" to be in a war.

4) Who says it is scaring the GOP? They just don't want lies being spread. Moore has openly admitted that he exagerated and said things that were blatently wrong. The only reason why it was such a hit was because the media gave it much more attention than it deserved becasue it suited their goals-Get Bush Out Of Office.

[ellik]

Dave Kopel compiled a nice collection of information on the topics that Michael Moore brings up in his recent movie. Its called 'Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11' Im sure you can find it if you look on the net. Ive read about half of it.

That given, I think Bush will squeek by again this November.

[98v6]

Originally posted by camaronat:
I think Bush will win hands down.

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Originally posted by: ABH
Hmmm, a record deficet. A war started on lies and deceit. A man who claims to have been in a war. A movie that scares the GOP.

1) We have always been in a deficet, even before we were a country. The only way it will go away is if we make everyone pay up that we have ever helped out. Plus the government in general will need to learn to keep their fingers out of the cookie jar.

2) How do you get that the war was started on lies and deceit? The war on terror? It was started because the president who preceded bush sat on is thumbs and tied the hands of our intelligence gathering.

3) Who cares if he claims he has been in a war or not? At least he didn't go to war. Used connections to get him out before he was supposed to. Used connections to get medals that other people deserved more and ends up throwing them (or someone else's) away. Then upon returning home abandons his fellow soldiers and his country by protesting the war to start his political career. Now he does an about-face an uses his Vietnam Vetran status because he NOW feels that it is to his advantage.

Now tell me how that is better than "claiming" to be in a war.

4) Who says it is scaring the GOP? They just don't want lies being spread. Moore has openly admitted that he exagerated and said things that were blatently wrong. The only reason why it was such a hit was because the media gave it much more attention than it deserved becasue it suited their goals-Get Bush Out Of Office. </font>[/QUOTE]1. Hamilton has been dead for like 200 years buddy. So stop listening to what he preached, he was brilliant but we've moved on. Also, remember election 2000? How the deficit was gone so everybody was arguing over the surplus? Well, yeah, there for awhile, it DID go away. And then Geedub ruined the surplus with an idiotic war and tax cuts for the wealthy top 1%. Those tax cuts don't even affect you, because when he cut income taxes he increased payroll taxes like soc. sec. and medicare so that they still get the same cut as they did before. The only real breaks went to investment taxes that only affect the top 1% of the richest people here because they don't have jobs- they just invest for a living.

2. The war in IRAQ was started on lies and deceit, i don't think even YOU would argue with me there.

3. Kerry was wounded 3 times. Don't you dare try to say that he doesn't have an advantage over Bush when it comes to military prestige, sure purple hearts mean nothing, but Kerry has a silver star. So just forget trying to argue there, it's pointless.

4. Bush started running hate ads in like february. The GOP is running scared of Kerry, there is plenty of evidence. Maybe not just because of the movie, which IS making a considerable difference in opinion among its more conservative viewers, (I read the 59 deciets... they don't even begin to derail the most severe criticisms of the president dude, they serve one purpose: to portray Moore as a liar and thereby allay concerns that could arise when the public realized that the movie as a whole and the major points it makes stand unaffected by these deceits).

Why don't you conservatives want to admit that this will be the closest election in history? Honestly, it's a battle between ignorance and education, because Bush has REALLY done a terrible job his first term. The 2000 election is currently the election which has been decided by the smallest margin ever, so it makes sense to me that the 2004 one would also be close, and now, seeing the polls and whatnot, it seems like it should be even closer.

EDIT: Kerry did NOT betray his fellow soldiers in vietnam buddy... he realized how bad it was for them over there and did everything he could to get them out. Another thing I noticed about conservatives: They tend to be terrible at distinguishing between a war being stupid, illogical and pointless, and the soldiers being hated by the public. NEWSFLASH! THE SOLDIERS COME FROM THE PUBLIC! I do NOT have ANYTHING against ANY AMERICAN SOLDIER ANYWHERE! Except J. Jones, Marine: He pushed me off a 15 ft. platform at camp one year... bastard lol. I guess we're even now though, when I got up i punched him in the nose. Anyway, the WAR is insipid and pointless, and the president used lies and deceit to get Congress to allow him to go through with it. That is something I have a problem with, and the rest of the American public should too.

[ July 22, 2004, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: 98v6 ]

[hawgs]

Kerry's injuries were so tiny and silly they cannot even come into play in this debate... plus Kerry said while defending Clinton "A person's military past should NOT be a reflection on their ablity to lead the country." Thats what Kerry said... why must you liberals ignore this?

You know... I wouldnt think Kerry had a spine if I didn't think something had to be holding up that huge head of his.

And it is President Bush to you 98v6.

[98v6]

Originally posted by hawgs:
Kerry's injuries were so tiny and silly they cannot even come into play in this debate... plus Kerry said while defending Clinton "A person's military past should NOT be a reflection on their ablity to lead the country." Thats what Kerry said... why must you liberals ignore this?

You know... I wouldnt think Kerry had a spine if I didn't think something had to be holding up that huge head of his.

And it is President Bush to you 98v6.

We don't think that the military past should be a reflection, but the fact remains that Kerry is superior to Bush in that aspect. Whether that point should be considered relevant or not was never discussed. Consider it dropped.

Kerry has been branded by Karl Rove, the brilliant political tactician behind Bush in the first place. Kerry might not have a spine, but at least he has a brain. Bush graduated yale somehow with only a 1.78 GPA... Pathetic. The man has failed at every business he has ever attempted because he is a spineless, stupid fool. Then he met Karl Rove, who pretty much is the puppetmaster while Bush sits on his lap and talks.

Hawgs, it is PUBIC Bush to me if I want it to be. You have no right to tell me how to refer to the pathetic imbecile that governs our nation.

[98v6]

Originally posted by 02PewterBird:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 98v6:
And yes, of the Repubs I have known who saw the movie, about 3/4 are going to vote kerry now.

Or maybe they said they would so they wouldn't have to listen to you talk anymore? </font>[/QUOTE]Nah, they actually generally start the political conversations. Now I kinda know what it's like to not be the only democrat around... it is kinda scary. We just sit and talk about how terrible the president is and come away with only more bitterness than before, don't learn anything now that our opinions aren't different. Kinda sucks, truthfully.