buying Camaro... LT1vs.3.8

[FunkZ]

Well it seems there can't be a middle ground with you. Apparently we're all either dedicated V6 owners who would rather commit seppuku than drive a V8, or else we're blasphemous infidels who should be forcibly evicted from the forums. Somehow I don't think that the majority of members or the site founders share your fanaticism.

[howardf]

For God's sake, why don't you all read between the lines.

I really am not saying you SHOULDN'T buy an LS1 or LT1. I am saying that there is no reason to ditch the car because the two motors are not comparable.

How the hell do you think the aftermarket for Honda's is so big?? Same is going to go for the 3.8 liter.

Do you think that just one day all of a sudden parts makers decided to make the market saturated with parts for the Honda's? there are turbo kits and hybrid swaps galore and CHEAP!

So to make it simple for you 2nd graders, if we all band together and DEMAND parts, companies such as Vortech, Procharger, Garret etc will realize that there is a HUGE market for this motor, and then they will have turbo kits ,spercharger kits, heads, cams, etc to go along WITH the other cams and stuff that are already available out there.

And they too will be cheap. Not cheap quality, but cheap because there is so much competition.

[ October 27, 2005, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: 97 RS ]

[vanbibber]

what every dude. youre right, everyone else is wrong, well all suck, and are idiots. sorry to rain on your parade,P*** in your cheerios,crap on your birthday cake and in your easterbasket and anything else i forgot.

who cares. im done with this pointless conversation. its like arguing with a fecking wall.

[img]graemlins/bowdown.gif[/img] :rolleyes:

btw if you havent noticed, most manufacturers carry plenty of performance parts for the v6 fbody. there are plenty of people out there helping the v6 community.

keep in mind everyone, if we dont unite as a whole on the v6 performance parts front, the terrrorists win.

[howardf]

So your dumb enough to say that there are plenty of parts makers for 3.8 liter motors compared to the small block chevy?

You are in dream world.

Five different vendors selling a powerdyne blower is not what I meant by my post.

So your selling a car with plenty of parts, but yet you don't want to build a 3.8. Makes sense I guess on this board.

I guess everyone who is a true fan of the 3.8 liter, like myself, will always lose because of f-ucking dumb
a s s e s that are on boards like these. You all were whining and sobbing when there were no cams out there (for just one example). Now that there are, a few people here have actually bought them, in the grand scheme, Comp Cams wasted their money on the R/D of those cams because even though they were wanted, hardly anyone was actually serious enough to buy the damn things and so they don't make **** else other than a couple grinds and probably never will make any more parts.

The name of this site is www.camarov6.com

Not "I really wanted a V8, but my mommy said no".com

There is no question whether or not the motor has potential. That is reason enough for me to build one, and should be more than enough incentive for everyone else.

So because of lack of loyalty (in general) there will be no off the shelf turbo kits. We will have that pathetic (by comparison) Powerdyne **** blower with a sorry *** 6 or 9 lbs, when there are intercooled Vortech kits putting out over 12 psi and being completely safe. Just ask any LT1 owner with one.

Because of no loyalty to one of the BEST V6 motors ever to be produced, there will be no aftermarket heads (not worked stock ones like SSM or Abbott)-Again this is just one of many examples.

Because of no loyalty there will never be a V6 in Hot Rod or Car Craft or any magazine for that matter. How many goddamn V8 F-bodies have been in those magazines??

I hold (and I hate to say names, but I have to) Tiago, Shirl, Batman, Pathogen, Virus and 12sec V6 in extremely high esteem because they all decided to be pioneers and make these cars fast.

I hope they read my posts, so they can see that at least someone is in awe and not just saying "Yeah, that's cool but a V8 would have done it stock"

[ October 27, 2005, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: 97 RS ]

[vanbibber]

everyone here gives tiago, shirl,batman,jen,stefan,james,craig,lance, andrew and malice to name a few, plenty of kudos for what theyve done. no one here can say a bad thing about them. yes they are v6fbod pioneers. thats great! thats their hobby and passion. some people want to build 6s up, some dont and just want a fast car from the get go. all mentioned above have faster cars than mine at the present time.

id love to build up a 6 but i dont have time for it. so i went the easy route to go fast.

[FunkZ]

Some people want the power without all the hard work. Do you think any of those dedicated V6 people you mentioned got their cars to where they are overnight? Hell no, a lot of it was trial and error and nights/weekends spent under the car. Not everyone has or wants to put that kind of time and effort into their car. For some people it is worth it just to buy the V8 and get the power they're looking for in a cookie-cutter solution.

I have nothing but respect for James, Jenn, Stefan and others who have taken a 15-16 second car as far as they have. You talk about those V8 owner's who put us down because we "only" have a V6. Well you should not put down V8 owners simply because they chose to go with the bigger motor! I don't see anyone on here being "pro-V8/anti-V6" like you describe... merely a few people talking about switching to a V8 or asking whether they should upgrade or switch.

[howardf]

My only beef with people saying that they have "nothing but respect" for the people mentioned is that a few of them don't even post here because they have been BANNED.

How in the hell can you ban a pioneer from the very same site that claims to have respect for the people named??

There are always gonna be people that are just hard headed and can't see anything other than in black and white.

If Tiago and Batman were "respected" they would still be here, with new ideas and innovations for us all.

[Fbody3400]

You ever think maybe were the ones seeing color, and YOUR seeing black and white?

[howardf]

^^ Based on what?

The fact that there are threads every day regarding V8 swaps on a V6 board?

The fact that all the people who wanted to upgrade shouldn't have wasted their money on a car that they REALLY didn't want?

People who can't afford V8 cars buy the V6 for two reasons.

1. Can't afford V8 insurance
2. The car looks NICE.

If you don't want a nice looking, relatively slow (by comparison to V8 models) car, then why would you even buy a 3.8 liter if all out performance is what you are looking for, along with nice looks.

Clearly the 3.8 liter is made for guys like me who have grown tired of the whole "fast" car bull and have moved on to slightly more important affairs, such as buying a house ( I am in the process of doing this) or paying off college loans.

Truth be told this is NOT a performace engine. You can't just slap on bolt ons and expect to get HUGE gains. It is an economy motor, and so performance parts do not do nearly the same, compared to other V6 cars like the 350Z, which is obviously a performance V6.

Knowing this, why would someone buy the V6 model, modify it knowing that they are not gonna get serious gains, and then turn around and say it wasn't worth it???

[vanbibber]

your just beating a dead horse now. just give it up no one here cares.

[Cat Toys]

My 3.8 will outrun a LS1 if there are any corners. I have driven LS1 etc V8's and the weight distribution is much better in a 3.8. Mine runs like it is on a rail and that is fun. I much perfer to drive than knock out drive shafts.

[lostatlantis]

Originally posted by 97 RS:


If Tiago and Batman were "respected" they would still be here, with new ideas and innovations for us all.

Whoa... I know I haven't visited the message board in a while, but what the heck happened?

[96RS Alex]

This is not General Tech, it's Drama :rolleyes:

[howardf]

LostAtlantis, you really haven't missed much

It's the usual threads about whether to buy a 2.5 or 3 inch exhaust, someone wants to make a turbo kit cheap, some other people want to know if you can put in an LS1 or LT1 in a car that obviously came with those motors as an option, so how could they NOT fit, more bull about people wishing they had a V8.

Truth is after this thread I was done, but since you wanted to know, I just thought I would tell you what's REALLY going on here. Check out my posts and you'll see why I am pissed.

[vanbibber]

:rolleyes: