No Iraq link to Al Qaeda before the war? Check this out...

[L32Projekt]

More lazy reporting and misinformation proves they're trying to make Bush look bad:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5460863

[Machiavelli]

Originally posted by L32Projekt:
More lazy reporting and misinformation proves they're trying to make Bush look bad:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5460863

Its not hard to make Bush look bad - he (or was it Cheney??) said on meet the press there was no link.

Talk about flip flopping. :rolleyes:

[L32Projekt]

Ooh, one time vs. how many for Kerry? ;)

Edit: Oh yeah, keep my thread on-topic... [img]tongue.gif[/img] Are you confusing the difference between no link, or no link to 9/11? Read this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233810/

[ June 18, 2004, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: L32Projekt ]

[mcgs999]

Def wasnt Pres. Bush that said that. Here is the transcript of his interview.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

WEIRD here is a quote from Cheney's interview--- "We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

So in other words the commission agreed with the administration. I think that John K. was the one that said there was no link... talk about sloppy reporting :rolleyes: [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img]

[Mighty Thor]

I wish I could find that news but the 9-11 commisionary panels are made up of mostly Democrats.

Key word is indirectly not directly Iraq and Al-Q. are linked and sponsored big time.

Numerous time did Pres. Bush said that anyone sponsoring or harboring terrorist is an enemy.

[hawgs]

Well the big news story reads "Iraq had no ties to Al Queda"..

But thats untrue.. its a lie and is only put out to try and hurt GWB and futher the medias agenda.. one paper or newscast slants a story and everyone else (out of laziness) goes with it like its gospel. Especially when it furthers their agenda of defeating GWB.

Lee Hamilton (a Democrat) on the 9/11 commision had this to say:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/.../18/92642.shtml

My FAVORITE quote by Mr. Hamilton:

"The sharp differences that the press has drawn [between the White House and the Commission] are not that apparent to me," Hamilton told the Associated Press, a day after insisting that his probe uncovered "all kinds" of connections between Osama bin Laden's terror network and Iraq.

So it would seem that Iraq DID have ties to Al Queda but NO involvement at all with 9/11 (that could be shown)

Keep in mind this is from a DEMOCRAT on the panel..

And for the record Bush NEVER said Iraq had ties to 9/11.. just that they had ties to Al Queda..

So lets see the intelectually honest people on the left at least say this does support what Bush said, he didnt lie (about this) and that the media totally distorted the facts of the commisions findings.

This will NOT make you a Bush supporter.. You can still disagree with going to Iraq and all that..

Why would the media outlets report it the way they did?

Here are just a few of the Iraq ties to Al Queda..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1152923/posts

Some interesting quotes and info:

6/1/1994 June 1994 Bin Laden meets with Iraqi Director of Intelligence Services Farouq Hijazi in Khartoum. Sudanese leader Hassan Al-Turabi mediated the meeting. The intent of the meeting was to try and get Bin Laden to work more closely with Iraq, but Baghdad is still hesitant of Bin Laden's closer ties to Tehran

7/1/96 The Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti, met privately with bin Laden at his farm in Sudan in July 1996. Tikriti used an Iraqi delegation traveling to Khartoum to discuss bilateral cooperation as his "cover" for his own entry into Sudan to meet with bin Laden and Hassan al-Turabi. The Iraqi intelligence chief and two other IIS officers met at bin Laden's farm and discussed bin Laden's request for IIS technical assistance in: a) making letter and parcel bombs; b) making bombs which could be placed on aircraft and detonated by changes in barometric pressure; and c) making false passport [sic]. Bin Laden specifically requested that [Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed], Iraqi intelligence's premier explosives maker--especially skilled in making car bombs--remain with him in Sudan. The Iraqi intelligence chief instructed Salim to remain in Sudan with bin Laden as long as required

circa 1/1/1997 An Iraqi defector to Turkey, known by his cover name as "Abu Mohammed," told Gwynne Roberts of the Sunday Times of London that he saw bin Laden's fighters in camps in Iraq in 1997. At the time, Mohammed was a colonel in Saddam's Fedayeen. He described an encounter at Salman Pak, the training facility southeast of Baghdad. At that vast compound run by Iraqi intelligence, Muslim militants trained to hijack planes with knives -- on a full-size Boeing 707........

1/1/97 Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi was sent to Iraq by bin Laden to purchase poison gases several times between 1997 and 2000. He called his relationship with Saddam's regime "successful," Mr. Powell told the United Nations

circa 1/1/1998 In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddam's son Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and al Qaeda

2/19/1998 The following day, February 19, 1998, according to documents unearthed in Baghdad after the recent war by journalists Mitch Potter and Inigo Gilmore, Hussein's intelligence service wrote a memo detailing upcoming meetings with a bin Laden representative traveling to Baghdad. Each reference to bin Laden had been covered with Liquid Paper. The memo laid out a plan to step up contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. The Mukhabarat, one of Saddam's security forces, agreed to pay for 'all the travel and hotel costs inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden.' The document set as the goal for the meeting a discussion of 'the future of our relationship with him, bin Laden, and to achieve a direct meeting with him.' The al Qaeda representative, the document went on to suggest, might be 'a way to maintain contacts with bin Laden.'

4/25/1998 Al Queda's Mohammed Abu-Islam and Abdullah Qassim meet with Qusay Hussein-then responsible for all Iraqi Intelligence matters. Both sides are satisified with negotiations regarding cooperation and a possible shift of Al Queda operations from Afghanistan to Iraq.

7/15/1998 In Mid July Al Queda's #2 man, Dr. Ayman Al Zawahiri, secretly travelled to Baghdad to meet with various officials-including VP Taha Yassin Ramadan. The purpose of this secret meeting was to discuss the "modalities" of Bin Laden's new base of operations in Iraq, the expansion of Islamist/Al Queda/Mujahedeen training (as expected by the Iraqis), and to help further develop a joint strategy for an anti-US jihad in the Middle East and North Africa.

circa 7/15/1998 Bin-Laden quickly sought to strengthen and reinforce Iraqi support. In mid-July 1998, bin-Laden sent Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian co-founder of al-Qaeda to Iraq to meet with senior Iraqi officials, including Iraqi vice president Taha Yassin Ramadan, to discuss and plan a joint strategy ...

President Clinton thought so...
8/20/98 The US fires 66 missiles at six training camps in Afghanistan and 13 missiles at a pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, Sudan in retaliation for the US embassy bombings. [Author's note: the targets in The Sudan were chosen because American intelligence officials had what they considered to be solid, "Actionable" intelligence that a certain factory was housing and possibly preparing VX nerve gas using equipment smuggled out of Iraq and operated by Al Queda. It turned out to be an aspirin factory, but illustrates very clearly 1) the American presumption that Iraq's VX program was capable (either in Iraq or shipped elsewhere to run), 2) that Iraq was willing to work with Al Queda, and 3) that the Clinton Administration and those who supported the raid believed that Saddam was capable and/or likely to pass on WMD and/or WMD capacity to Al Queda.

10/31/1998 President Clinton signs the Iraqi Liberation Act authorizing the support of insurgent action against Saddam Hussein, and creating a unique and Congressionally mandated American policy of Regime Change in Iraq.

circa 12/31/1998 The Arabic daily newspaper, Al-Quds al-Arabi, first raised the issue of cooperation between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Osama bin-Laden's al-Qaeda in a late December 1998 editorial that predicted, President Saddam Hussein , whose country was subjected to a four day air strike , will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain

circa 1/1/1999 Kuwaiti intelligence reports that hundreds of Arab "Afghans" are training in Iraq at the Nasariah camp and elsewhere. The training is being conducted by Iraqi Intelligence. The report also identifies those being trained as members of six different organizations including The World Fonrt for Against the Crusade of Jews and Christians. It is clear that Al Queda's primary groups are being trained in Iraq by Iraqi Intelligence-specifically mentioned is a group of Iraqi Intelligence called Unit 999. The training is described as the final advanced preparation training for "the battle against the US and its allies."

4/1/1999 In April of 1999, the joint Iraq/Al Queda effort to attack the Australian Olympics was exposed and those involved arrested.

Thats just a sampling.. all from before GWB.. Take your pick.. are the ALL wrong???

Bush didnt pull the idea of Iraq/Al Queada out of his ***.. He told the TRUTH about this and the media is screwing with the 9/11 commisions findings to suit thier agenda....

[Machiavelli]

No absolutely not - I watched the interview on Meet the Press, find Rumseld Powell, or Rice. It was someone who represented the administration.

The ONLY link they have is a conversation between an iraqi military intelligence officer and a BinLaden Lieutenant. That the commission ahs said collaboration was highly unlikely.

Sorry guys your family values never lying always right president has let us down. Get over it and treat him like any other president who lies to the american public and spend 44milion on trying to impeach him.

[mcgs999]

1) If you are so sure find PROOF like we did!

2) If you are from Italy why are you so concerened with our policies? They work well for us and I could give a **** what yall think. No matter what people believe US policies are not meant to help the world. They are meant to help the USA!

[L32Projekt]

Okay, post proof Mac,

Once you can show a reference we can all see that debunks everything we've posted, then we can debate. I think you're working off the flawed information the obviously liberal media put out to misinform the general public. Don't be blind to the truth Mac... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[mcgs999]

Rumsfeld's interview

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2..._t0323nbc.html

no such comment

Powell's

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4992558/

no such comment

Rice's Second interview

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4515556/

no such comment

And here is the quote you are thinking of ( you are welcome i did your research for you.)
MR. RUSSERT: But Iraq was not part of September 11th.
DR. RICE: No. Saddam Hussein—no one has said that there is evidence that Saddam Hussein directed or controlled 9/11, but let’s be very clear, he had ties to al-Qaeda, he had al-Qaeda operatives who had operated out of Baghdad. The key, though, is that this is—our security is indivisible, and having a change in this region, in the center of the Middle East, is going to make a tremendous difference to our long-term security

http://www.msnbc.com/news/973028.asp?cp1=1


Guess what though? that was Administration policy THE WHOLE TIME. That was what we were always told!!! Additionally it was what the commission said! Reality? [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img] hello!

[ June 18, 2004, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: mcgs999 ]

[L32Projekt]

OWNED! :D Don't take it personally Mac...

[Dojo2000]

Originally posted by mcgs999:
2) If you are from Italy why are you so concerened with our policies? They work well for us and I could give a **** what yall think. No matter what people believe US policies are not meant to help the world. They are meant to help the USA!

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]
The Prince, by Niccolo Machiavelli

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...
Need to seize a country? Have enemies you must destroy? In this handbook for despots and tyrants, the Renaissance statesman Machiavelli sets forth how to accomplish this and more, while avoiding the awkwardness of becoming generally hated and despised.

[mcgs999]

Oh yeah I have read the Prince many-a-time...

[speedracer95v6]

My understanding was the 911 comission didnt find a link between 911 and iraq...not that they didnt find any link between iraq and al queda.

There are documented links between al queda/iraq...not specifically iraq/911, and that is where news media gets to add their spin to make whoever look bad. It's really all in how you say it, they can say "there is no link between 911 and iraq" and be speaking totally truthfully all the while leaving out the other part.

[Machiavelli]

What are the dates on those interviews? I gaurantee that it was said in some form or another - I believe it was Rumsfeld or Powell. Not only did I see it, there was a huge media story about it afterwards - and then a few days after Bush echoed that. It went away quickly.
As for allt eh connections listed above, why is it that theres only one thats considered 100% confirmed, and that one isnt all that substantial.
You guys can listen to the propaganda machine from Bush and listen to his lies. Perhaps he can allow more US spies to be compromised. Perhaps he can allow some more of our soldiers to die. His days in office are numbered and Kerry doesnt need any one of your votes. He's already prepared to NOT recieve the idiotic/uninformed fox news watching right wing.
Face it - Bush's is done. Hes down in every non-partisan poll and the country has lost faith in him - except for your cadre.

And as for me being from Italy... and that disqualifying my opinion... :rolleyes: