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[BirdOfPrey01]

Who cares about proven, links, does it really take a scientist to tell you that iraq habors terrorists?

Jesus christ, this country is turning into one politically correct pile of sh*t.

[wannabe]

Machiavelli, the Comission is not part of "Bush's propaganda machine." It consists in LARGE part of Democrats who want to see him toppled. You should see how hard the questioning was on Condoleeza Rice versus how softball it was to people who toed the Democrat party line (Woodward, etc.).

As for the rest of you, Mac is obviously not going to be convinced. A good liberal never lets the truth get in the way of his opinion.

[token sebring]

I think it's about what the Bush Administration allowed the country to assume - his speeches inferred the connection between Iraq and 9/11... and they kept allowing the "people" to believe that connection in order to support the war. That's what pisses democrats off as far as I can figure out...

[Machiavelli]

Originally posted by wannabe:
Machiavelli, the Comission is not part of "Bush's propaganda machine." It consists in LARGE part of Democrats who want to see him toppled. You should see how hard the questioning was on Condoleeza Rice versus how softball it was to people who toed the Democrat party line (Woodward, etc.).

As for the rest of you, Mac is obviously not going to be convinced. A good liberal never lets the truth get in the way of his opinion.

:rolleyes: Im not considering the comission part of the GOP propoganda machine.
Dont talk down to me and act like I dont understand politics or US Government. I am hardly the world's expert in these areas - but what kind of experience do you have besides reading the Washington Times and listening to Fox News?? Any academic credentials? How about professional?

"A good liberal never lets the truth get in the way of his opion" - I guess I could say the same thing for you... except I would say "A misinformed conservative never lets the truth get in the way of his opinion".
I have met many more intelligent conservatives that can actually make a decent conservative argument - trust me, they want you representing them just about as much as I want Susan Serandin (sp?...she was the loudmouth activist actress, wasnt she?) representing me.

[mcgs999]

First all the dates to the interviews are at the top of the interviews.

Second Mach you really dont know your audience, although you think you may. I am a registered democrat and I vote democrat consistently and most likely i will vote for J.K. but I dont believe that the war was wrong. I also do believe that there was a link. Not for 9/11 but more generally "No. Saddam Hussein—no one has said that there is evidence that Saddam Hussein directed or controlled 9/11, but let’s be very clear, he had ties to al-Qaeda, he had al-Qaeda operatives who had operated out of Baghdad. The key, though, is that this is—our security is indivisible, and having a change in this region, in the center of the Middle East, is going to make a tremendous difference to our long-term security" just like that says!

Additionally what is wrong with Fox News? As a conservative democrat I can see that they are biased but guess what so is the New York Times and CNN. If you are only getting your news from one source then you arnt getting news at all.
More so Kerry does need our votes. DESPERATELY. If you look at the polling data Bush is slipping but Kerry is slipping at the same rate! This year will be the lowest voter turnout probably ever because but candidates are scumbags.

As for your opinion being disqualified because you are from Italy that is not what I intended to imply. I did however intend to imply that there are unique political situations in the United States that are not replicated anywhere else in the world. The variety of backgrounds here and our physical seperation from much of the rest of the western world has led to a political atmosphere that is very self serving. Other countries opinions are nice and everyone is entitled to them but if you are not an American you truly dont understand what it is to be and American.

As for qualifications. I am starting my senior year in september at one of the US's TOP liberal arts college's with a Political Science department ranked in the top 10 nation wide for all higher learning institutions. I have already completed the Political Science portion of my degree and just need to finish my odds and ends up.

Lastly those are all of the interviews that the top administration people gave concerning these subjects. If you dont trust me search MSNBC yourself. They are very simple to find. The quote that caused the issue in the press was, in fact, Rice's. Once again, however, the press (including your hated Fox News) took it out of context in order to meet their biggest interest group- ratings. Dont trust the press as far as you can throw them ESPECIALLY if they come across as unbiased, those are the most dangerous

[Machiavelli]

Kerry may need YOUR vote - but the demographic that I wsa speaking to will not vote for Kerry nor is Kerry's campaign losing sleep over not getting that vote.

If we're going to play the US and News and World Report pissing match regarding school rankings (which for the record, I worked at my school's alumni relations office and admissions office and I can tell you those rankings are complete bull****) my school, last time I checked was rated higher than Dickinson ;) But rankings, really dont matter too much.. especially to judge the quality of the student, now do they?

Im very familiar with Carlisle and Allentown both. I just met Todd Platts the other day.

And for the record, the Rice interview was while I was out of the country - so I assure you, it is not the one I saw. Meet the Press is not on MSNBC its merely on NBC... keep looking, Im far too lazy... I dont have to prove it to you - I saw it, I already know what I saw. If youre curious as to what I saw, feel free to research it. If you want to think Im lying, feel free to do so - I'll loose about as much sleep thinking about that as Kerry does thinking about Wannabe and other members of this board not voting for him.

[98v6]

why don't you guys just forget it?

obviously the best interest of this nation is not at heart in your minds, it's all about parties.

Which is what they want, of course, if the public gets tied up in politics, the people in power win. Period. Kerry is the better choice because he takes power away from the central government by dividing the branches of the legislature and the executive office.

Plain and simple, he makes it so that the idiots we have to put in charge for lack of anyone better to choose from can't do anything too seriously harmful.

[mcgs999]

MSNBC is the website you gotta look at, NBC doesnt have one...

Todd Platts is a pretty decent guy. I deffinately dont agree with him on some things but he is a stand up man.

Dickinson's ratings for their poli sci also dont come from US New cause I know that is bull**** too, they also dont rate departments. Princeton does ratings based upon student performance post-grad and professor's credentials (where they went to school, what they got in school, scholarly writings ect.) and for the past 5 years or so we have been top ten.

My issue with the whole thing is if you are the accusor you have to prove your point. I think that a jury would agree I proved my case beyond a reasonable doubt. Just give them the doubt and I will be wrong!


Other note- You originally from PA? Just do work here?

As for Kerry being the better choice I said it before and I said it again- there is no good choice this time. Their policies are pretty much the same. More buracrats dont make other branches stronger. They have to give power back to the states and make state goverments stronger to really have an improvement. I would love to see a viable libertarian candidate but that will never happen...

[L32Projekt]

I'll vote who has my best interests in mind: Bush. I'm military as many of you know, and yes, I can deploy at any time if needed. That doesn't scare me, it's my job and I'm happy to do it. Even though it's Bush's "fault" we're in Iraq (it's funny to me how it's his fault that Saddam failed to comply with multiple UN resolutions...) I don't mind at all fighting for this country in that craphole of a place.

I guess I'm just a fool who doesn't know what's best for me, I'll let the Democrats figure out what I need. They love telling me what's in MY best interest. Puh-leese!
:rolleyes:

[Mighty Thor]

We can talk about this till we turned purple or pink, depending who you are. But the fact is, if we did nothing and something big like 9-11 were to happen again, then what do we say.

We all the stuff that Pres. Bush knew, his Admins., CIA, and so on we would definately be complaining and protesting big time.

If there's strong info. or ties to it that North Korea plans to Nuke us, then Nuke 'em first. Why wait.

Pres. Clinton had been informed about this and the bombing of US Embassies and US Cole plus the big plan of attacking the US and yet he did nothing. Too busy downsizing the military.

Pres. Bush took a bad rap because he did something about it. Yet the media pounds on him and very little is said about what Pres. Clinton should have done.

At first I didn't like Bush, but now after the trash he had to take from the media and the public it convinced me what kind of a man he is, I respect him even more. With all that trash he didn't waiver or chicken out on what he think is right for this country. Kudos for Bush on that thumbs down to the Democrats that talks and does nothing.

[hawgs]

Originally posted by Mighty Thor:
At first I didn't like Bush, but now after the trash he had to take from the media and the public it convinced me what kind of a man he is, I respect him even more. With all that trash he didn't waiver or chicken out on what he think is right for this country. Kudos for Bush on that thumbs down to the Democrats that talks and does nothing.

yes. :D

[98v6]

If there's strong info. or ties to it that North Korea plans to Nuke us, then Nuke 'em first. Why wait

You wait because the person who does it first is in the wrong. We would nuke them in defense... but if we make the first strike it has a different name: ATTACK. This is ludicrous, it's just like Iraq. You gotta have PROOF before you make a pre-emptive strike and what they're finding out at this very minute is that YOU DONT GET PROOF TILL THEY ATTACK YOU. It's very bad diplomacy, bad policy... etc. Because then, when the chips are down for your country, you can say look, we had suspicions but we never attacked. You don't have any conclusive proof, so plz return the favor. If you already nuked their ***, it gives the rest of the world all the excuse they need to nuke you for no reason.

[98v6]

Kudos for Bush on that thumbs down to the Democrats that talks and does nothing.

Okayyyy... Since the Dem Party is pretty much out of power, what, beyond talking, exactly do you expect us to do? I mean come on, we're contesting elections here, that's why the talking, and once we get in a position of power things will start to happen.

Bush is an idiot, but he's stubborn, so hell yeah, that's my kinda guy.. Screw that idiot kerry that knows what's goin on and has a plan to do something to fix all the problems we need to keep him out of a position where his superior knowledge and skill can help him make a difference in the best interest of our country. :rolleyes:

[hawgs]

Originally posted by 98v6:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If there's strong info. or ties to it that North Korea plans to Nuke us, then Nuke 'em first. Why wait

You wait because the person who does it first is in the wrong. We would nuke them in defense... but if we make the first strike it has a different name: ATTACK. This is ludicrous, it's just like Iraq. You gotta have PROOF before you make a pre-emptive strike and what they're finding out at this very minute is that YOU DONT GET PROOF TILL THEY ATTACK YOU. It's very bad diplomacy, bad policy... etc. Because then, when the chips are down for your country, you can say look, we had suspicions but we never attacked. You don't have any conclusive proof, so plz return the favor. If you already nuked their ***, it gives the rest of the world all the excuse they need to nuke you for no reason. </font>[/QUOTE][img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] you're so silly.

[Christian]

Originally posted by BirdOfPrey01:
Who cares about proven, links, does it really take a scientist to tell you that iraq habors terrorists?

Jesus christ, this country is turning into one politically correct pile of sh*t.

Yep