Subpoena?

[jc Kyle]

most of the precincts in my area DO have quotas.. they reset at the beginning of the month. thus you see more traffic cops in the beginning and at the end of the month.

And Mogobs you automatically assume that by representing myself I'm going to lose? hmm.. NOT!

I mail my ticket to the Police Department.. and I also pay it there... weird Ian..

No problems l32 project [img]smile.gif[/img]

Also, you automatically have to pay the court costs whether you go to court or not. So why not plead not guilty every time and thus have a chance of saving your insurance record. By going to court, there are many chances to get out of the ticket before court even starts! Sometimes they try to waive your right to a speedy trial, if they do against your will then you can motion for a mistrial! 1/3 of the time the cop doesn't even show up.. and if you can prove that there were some questions in receiving the ticket.. you can plea bargain or even get the judge to change it to a non moving license. WTF do you know mogobs? Your pussy *** prolly just sends in the waiver money. You are society's tool

And for my case.. i have some very hard questions for the cop.. like these

How long have you been a police officer?

Have you had recent, extensive training in estimating a vehicles speed, or the use of radar detection?

Are you certified as a radar detection officer?

Have you ever had problems using a radar gun?

What about this gun in particular?

Are you aware of the maintenance records and calibration logs pertaining to this radar gun?

Has this unit, or any radar unit available through your department ever had problems with accuracy?

To properly use radar gun, how close do you need to be to get an accurate reading?

Do you know the range that is best suited for this type of radar gun?

Is there anything that can encumber the radar beam? Would you give some examples?

If two cars are both traveling side by side in the same direction, at close speeds, how can your radar gun distinguish which car is traveling faster?

Are you trained in visual speed detection?

Do you routinely use your patrol car speedometer to measure a motorists speed?

When you observed my vehicle, was there any other cars on the road? In what direction were they going?
Can you recall the position you were in when you first saw my vehicle? Were you standing still? Driving in your car? Sitting in a still car?
Was my car moving in the same direction as your car or going in the opposite direction.
Did you notice my vehicle before you used the radar gun on me?
Approximately how long did you have my vehicle under observation?
What brought my vehicle to your attention?

Also I'm subpoena all this information. What now mogobs? Don't talk about what you don't know

[jc Kyle]

if he stumbles on any of these.. i got him. If he tries to read a piece of paper while i'm questioning him.. I can object saying the officer should remember the information on his own.. and the objection will be sustained

Also he wouldn't let me see his radar gun. Granted he doesn't have to, but I have the right to know the basis in which I'm being given a ticket. And if he doesn't want to let me see the gun.. that once agains brings doubt to the case... just some things to think about

[ABH]

Sitting in traffic court one day, I watched people who were popped for speeding ask many of these same questions.

The judge didn't buy any of it.

How long have you been a police officer? *Not relevant for a traffic ticket.*

Have you had recent, extensive training in estimating a vehicles speed, or the use of radar detection? *Also not relevant.*

Are you certified as a radar detection officer? *Cancelled by above.*

Have you ever had problems using a radar gun? *If he says no how will you prove otherwise?*

What about this gun in particular? *Cancelled by the above.*

Are you aware of the maintenance records and calibration logs pertaining to this radar gun? *Since he doesn't fix them, he doesn't need to know. And the most recent calibration report will be there at court.*

Has this unit, or any radar unit available through your department ever had problems with accuracy? *See above*

To properly use radar gun, how close do you need to be to get an accurate reading? *Radar is line of sight. He does not need to be on your tail.*

Do you know the range that is best suited for this type of radar gun? *See above. How will you prove you were too far away to be tracked?*

Is there anything that can encumber the radar beam? Would you give some examples? *Whatever is between you and the gun. But will you have proof that condition exsisted?*

If two cars are both traveling side by side in the same direction, at close speeds, how can your radar gun distinguish which car is traveling faster? * Judge won't buy that one.*

Are you trained in visual speed detection? *See above. Irrelevant as the radar gun determined your speed.*

Do you routinely use your patrol car speedometer to measure a motorists speed? *A very valid way to determine your speed. Can be done from the ground or air.*

When you observed my vehicle, was there any other cars on the road? In what direction were they going? * Not relevant*

Can you recall the position you were in when you first saw my vehicle? Were you standing still? Driving in your car? Sitting in a still car? * has no effect on the gun*

Was my car moving in the same direction as your car or going in the opposite direction. *Has no bearing on how the gun works.*

Did you notice my vehicle before you used the radar gun on me? *Obviously he did.*

Approximately how long did you have my vehicle under observation? *Long enough to point the gun and use it.*

What brought my vehicle to your attention? * The speeding.*

This is not a murder trial. There is no jury. It is a simple traffic violation. The charges will be read. The evidence will be entered. There will be no objections.

You are going to act like some bigshot lawyer in front of a judge who has seen and heard it all. You will lose.

The basis in which you are given the ticket is that he thought you were speeding. So he either A: Used the radar gun and confirmed it. Or B: Followed you long enough to confirm it.

[jc Kyle]

blah.. i'll keep you all updated

[95Batmobile]

Originally posted by Ian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by andrew.brandon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jc Kyle:
Since when do laws have monthly quotas? I don't see a monthly quota on the number of murders solved each month.

now that is a good point. can anyone argue that? </font>[/QUOTE]I can argue it. Officers dont have quotas.
There you go!

And as for the whole "State Police Money Making Scheme" argument......when you get your ticket, where do you mail it? The magistrate district you got pulled over in. State police dont see that money.


You guys are seriously idiots. I cant believe how many lawyers we have on here. </font>[/QUOTE]The California Highway Patrol does [img]smile.gif[/img]
Come out here and see for youself..
Now I won't go and call you an idiot like you did everyone else for you not believing them... but I will say you're thick-headed [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ka50]

http://www.speedingticketcentral.com

educate yourself please.

If you go to traffic court by yourself (without a lawyer), you will get owned by the judge.

If you come off all cocky like I see you're trying to, do you know what will happen? He'll listen to you for about a minute... then say: GUILTY, NEXT!

I've seen that happen so many times (been to court few times now).

[L32Projekt]

One thing that sticks out in my mind. The use of notes is allowed in court, as long as they are available for the defense to scrutinize. There's no way a judge would assume a cop could remember all the details of every person he's stopped and cited. I write notes on every traffic stop I perform and list all the information relevant to the traffic stop on the back of the Magistrate tickets I issue. I've never had to go to court yet, I give enough information on my issued ticket that locks the offender down, and gives the prosecutor enough info to prosecute the case without me present.

[jc Kyle]

if you're not present in ohio.. then the case is dismissed

[L32Projekt]

well, when's your court date? My case is a little different since I'm considered "federal" and our SJA (JAG) can represent us in court. That's why it's important for me to be as detailed as possible. I do believe in most states if the officer doesn't show up, it's tossed. Good luck to you.

[camaro_speedemon]

Originally posted by ABH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Crazy Maro:


The reason most people speed is the speed limit is ridiculous; it was good for when it was set cars were not at the same level as they are now.

I think we could make America a lot safer if we took about 50% of the traffic cop and made them real cops, but there is no profit in that.

Are you old enough to remember that 55 was not always the national speed limit? I remember when the AC Expressway in NJ was limited to 70mph. And most people were doing 80. The speed limit is not at fault, rather the idiots who break it. Want to break the speed limits, go to a track.

Do you really want to see some 16yr old doing 90 in his 72 Javelin trying to stop a car that is far too heavy for those 9" brake shoes?

The kid who dumped his mom's Lumina because he drove too fast for conditions. Is that who you want doing 100mph?

You want to make America safer? Make a national minimum age to drive. Say 21. Don't allow anyone with less than 4yrs exp to drive a sports car. Or any kind of car that car mags swoon over.

Or make the person go through the same kind of training you need to get a pilot's license. Or take the car away of anyone who whines when they break the law and get caught. </font>[/QUOTE]BS BS BS

Traffic deaths were fewer in Montana when they had no daytime speedlimits.

Originally posted by ABH:

To properly use radar gun, how close do you need to be to get an accurate reading? *Radar is line of sight. He does not need to be on your tail.*

Maybe you should re-read the question and read up a little on how radars work. This is a very relavent question for his defense. While radars are LoS, they don't go forever, the farther you are from the gun, the weaker, and more inaccurate the signal will be.

At 1000' the radar spread is about 500' in diameter. That's huge margin of error, how can the cop KNOW it was him and not another speeder headed in the opposite direction. Also, the farther away from the gun you are, the more inaccurate the reading is. Try this, next time you're driving at one of those "Your speed is" signs, go by late at night when there are no cars around. Notice how the speed flucuates until you're about 500' from it? Also, the more offset you are from the gun, the more inaccurate the reading is going to be, just an inherent flaw on how RADAR works.

Also, if you're driving along doing the speed limit in your camaro, and a full size truck behind you is doing 10 over, most RADAR guns will return the speed of greatest reflected object, the truck behind you, rather then your car.

Originally posted by ABH:

Do you know the range that is best suited for this type of radar gun? *See above. How will you prove you were too far away to be tracked?*

Each gun has a different optimum distance.

Originally posted by ABH:
Is there anything that can encumber the radar beam? Would you give some examples? *Whatever is between you and the gun. But will you have proof that condition exsisted?*

Not to the thread starter, take pictures where the cop was sitting, and of the area before going to court. Get the cop to tell where he was sitting then, if there were things in the way, present the pictures as evidence that there was a light poll, street sign ect, blocking the beam. Also see below.

Originally posted by ABH:
If two cars are both traveling side by side in the same direction, at close speeds, how can your radar gun distinguish which car is traveling faster? * Judge won't buy that one.*

Read my previous post about radar spread, the gun will return the highest speed, which might not have been his car. In florida, radar evidence is inadmissible if, and I'll quote directly from the statutes they don't have a"clear assignment of speed to a single vehicle." If the cop admits to someone being next to you in Florida, the ticket will get thrown out. I'm sure a similar law exists in his state

Originally posted by ABH:
Are you trained in visual speed detection? *See above. Irrelevant as the radar gun determined your speed.*

Wrong again, in Florida, and most likely in his state, the cop must visually estimate the cars speed before using a speed detection device. If he can prove the cop didn't, the ticket gets tossed.

Originally posted by ABH:

Do you routinely use your patrol car speedometer to measure a motorists speed? *A very valid way to determine your speed. Can be done from the ground or air.*

Nothing to say about that one.

Originally posted by ABH:

When you observed my vehicle, was there any other cars on the road? In what direction were they going? * Not relevant*

Again, see my reponse above, he must have a clear view of your car. Also see my response about radar spread.

Originally posted by ABH:
Can you recall the position you were in when you first saw my vehicle? Were you standing still? Driving in your car? Sitting in a still car? * has no effect on the gun*

I believe the gun must be in a 'moving radar' mode if the cop is moving, although I'm not possitive about this.

Originally posted by ABH:
Was my car moving in the same direction as your car or going in the opposite direction. *Has no bearing on how the gun works.*

No argument here.

Originally posted by ABH:
Did you notice my vehicle before you used the radar gun on me? *Obviously he did.*

He might have had the gun on just watching speeds and notice a speeder, and went after the car. This is illegal as stated before.

Originally posted by ABH:
Approximately how long did you have my vehicle under observation? *Long enough to point the gun and use it.*

Nothing to say about that one.

[quote]Originally posted by ABH:
What brought my vehicle to your attention? * The speeding.* As stated before, he couldn't have known for sure until he used RADAR, but he had to estimate his speed first.

Originally posted by ABH:

This is not a murder trial. There is no jury. It is a simple traffic violation. The charges will be read. The evidence will be entered. There will be no objections.

You are going to act like some bigshot lawyer in front of a judge who has seen and heard it all. You will lose.

The basis in which you are given the ticket is that he thought you were speeding. So he either A: Used the radar gun and confirmed it. Or B: Followed you long enough to confirm it.

Just to let you know, my boss has been pulled over and ticketed Eleven times. He has taken all of them to court, represented himself and won.

[ November 13, 2004, 07:44 AM: Message edited by: camaro_speedemon ]

[L32Projekt]

With the Radar unit I've certified on, you have to select whether you are stationary or moving. I also have to be able to read a vehicle's speed by the tone the radar makes with a margin of error +/- 5MPH without looking at the speed readout. Too bad I need to recert, I'm getting rusty and most of our Radar units have gone AWOL... now we use Laser units. It's more fun with Radar. ;)

[camaro_speedemon]

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:

Do you routinely use your patrol car speedometer to measure a motorists speed? *A very valid way to determine your speed. Can be done from the ground or air.* [/QB]

Something I just remembered, find out how often the speedometer needs to be calibrated. The speedometer of the cops car needs to be calibrated every so often, this is, of course is useless if he hit you with radar.

[GrigoryRasputin]

I love it, so many ****ing experts.

[jc Kyle]

well a few cops in here is a bit of expertise