Abortion

[speedracer95v6]

pro third option...

that being a prenatal incubator.

I'm sure with all the money both sides have wasted trying to further their causes we could have one by now.

[Skapimp]

Originally posted by maxcamaro:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ReodDai:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by maxcamaro:
only if the girl is raped

im pro-life

retarded answer the child would still have a right to live if you were actually pro-life :rolleyes:


Pro-choice, it isn't a child during the abortable stages. DOWN WITH MENSTRATION IT KILLS WOULDBE BABIES!! </font>[/QUOTE]retarded answer...tell that to the millions of "fetuses" that have had "partial birth abortion" done to them when really there sucking the babys brains out

and the child wouldn't have a right to live when essentially your killing it </font>[/QUOTE]MILLIONS eh?

[Alexcab7]

Man it is murder no matter what point of pregnancy it is at, its as simple as that. With the case of rape, still murder, cant support it. I am sure it would suck but there are options that do not include killing the baby. I understand that it can be really freaky when you have those close calls but either way it is murder and just because you messed up doesnt give you the right to decide whether someone should live or die.

Alex

[GrigoryRasputin]

a clump of cells is not a living being - unless getting lyposuction is killing an independent living being too.

there have not been millions of dialate and extract procedures performed (what some of you call 'partial birth')

I am pro-choice but I do not "support" abortion.
I support a person's right to choose what to do w/ their body.

Change the ****ing question.

[ October 06, 2004, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: GrigoryRasputin ]

[Alexcab7]

They may not be a person but you cant argue with the fact that its obviously turning into one. Do I have the right to kill someone born deaf or blind or mentally retarded just because its not an average person. Not to mention, it is not a part of a persons body. Just because it is in it does not make it part of it. Thats like saying my crap is a part of my body, it is in me but not for that long.

Alex

[98goldbird]

THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UNDECIDED BASED ON CIRCUMSTANCES OPTION

[BLLDOGG]

ok guys. pro-choice and pro-life is good enough right now or no response cause you guys are getting cranky. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[BLLDOGG]

if you want undecided. dont vote and put that in your post
if you dont like the fact that the question isnt how you want it, dont vote and dont post [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Alexcab7]

Fine, fine. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[GrigoryRasputin]

Originally posted by Alexcab7:
They may not be a person but you cant argue with the fact that its obviously turning into one. Do I have the right to kill someone born deaf or blind or mentally retarded just because its not an average person. Not to mention, it is not a part of a persons body. Just because it is in it does not make it part of it. Thats like saying my crap is a part of my body, it is in me but not for that long.

Alex

That doesnt address a single thing I said.

[ReodDai]

but but I want to be cranky. The majority of people who says pro-life are uninformed or just too religious for their own good. ;) My last comment tho.

[HAZ-Matt]

Originally posted by BLLDOGG:
this is a contriversal subject so lets keep this civil please [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well given the amount of insanely idiotic posts here, and the fact that someone needs to respond to the drivel posted by irresponsible adolecents...bring on the lock!

do you support it? What are you opinions? I was reading the other post and I was wondering what everyone thought about abortion.

I have the same position on abortion that Bill Clinton does.

As a person who is young and regularly has sex with my fiancée, I completely support abortion.

Wow. This simply boggles the mind.

I don’t see how you can have sex with people you don’t really love or actually love them for that matter and not believe in it unless you are married.

I didn't think anything could top that bit about the fiancee, but you did it. Simply amazing.

I think it is necessary to have it specifically for those who are raped and impregnated.

No, you think it is necessary in case your fiancee gets knocked up, as it would be "inconvenient" for you to raise a child.

I would refuse to give birth to a rape baby if I was a woman. I can’t imagine what the hell a woman who was rapped would have to go through while carrying the person's baby and for the rest of her life. What do you guys think?

I cannot speak to that, as I am not a woman. It may in fact be difficult to carry a child that was not concieved in love, but it is well documented that abortions themselves are a very difficult event to overcome psychologically.

Originally posted by BLLDOGG:
i think i'll agree with you the older i get. but right now, i need that abortion option. but if its not avalible, then i'll love my kid and love my life [img]smile.gif[/img] kids are great [img]graemlins/love.gif[/img] but i want to get some things down before hand

Ladies and gentlemen, this is an example of what is wrong with the youth of America. Take a long look people. Gotta love the hedonistic lifestyle.

Originally posted by ReodDai:
Pro-choice, it isn't a child during the abortable stages. DOWN WITH MENSTRATION IT KILLS WOULDBE BABIES!!

Menstruation occurs when either A) fertilization has not occured, or B) when their is a spontaneous abortion, in which case the baby was already dead.

Originally posted by ReodDai:
but but I want to be cranky. The majority of people who says pro-life are uninformed or just too religious for their own good. ;) My last comment tho.

It is basic logic that the fertilized egg will become a human unless there is a developmental problem. You cannot make an adequate argument that states that their is any other starting point in a persons life. It's just not possible. Don't even attempt to state that you could trace it back to the gametes themselves. Neither could possibly develop into a human on their own. This is all academic, and in all honesty it does not bother me that some people may disagree with my thoughts on this subject.

HOWEVER what pisses me off is the attitude of several posters in this thread. It is the same old responsibility dodging bull**** that plagues society. It's sickening. Everyone that has presented a pro-abortion argument in this thread at the time that I write this response have doen nothing more than say that they think it should be allowed because it would make their life more easier in the event that they knocked up their girlfriend. This is outrageous. The purpose of intercourse is procreation. C'mon people, it isn't rocket science. No, I'm not denying the pleasure aspect I am stating the actual purpose of the ritual. Maybe you want to hijack the act for pleasure. Okay whatever. Have fun. But you argue that abortion is somehow warranted because you may get your girlfriend pregnant. And that isn't all! You guys claim that since raising a child would be inconvenient, arbortion showed be allowed. It's inconvenient for me to stop at red lights, so I should have the right to run them. It's inconvenient to pay taxes, so I shouldn't have to. I ESPECIALLY find it inconvenient to have to reply to nonsense on the board all the farking time, so I should have the right to take my 45 to your house and give you a double tap to the head! Same logic.

It is most regretable then that given all of the above, and given that I think abortion is wrong, I must support the "right" to choose because I would rather have women getting safe abortions than unsafe ones.

But what I find most sad is that the attitudes of some of the people in this thread make a compelling argument for abortion... so that the child will get to skip the pain of growing up with parents that think he or she is an inconvenience.

EDITED: Grigory made a compelling argument for me to switch an instance of pro-choice to pro-abortion.

[ October 06, 2004, 03:15 AM: Message edited by: HAZ-Matt ]

[GrigoryRasputin]

Ok, so Im going to appeal to the classical conservatives in the group (oh wait there are none... Im the closest thing we've got)

So you all hate the welfare mothers who sit at home and just make more babies. Shouldnt we lower the tax burden so we dont make any more poor people?

How about all these millions of abortions that have happened in the last 30 years?? What if they all survived? Theres some more tax burden, we'd have to pay to educate them, keep them safe, etc etc....

you already ***** about the higher taxes - what if there were millions more kids running around?

Im a realist - and beyond my sense of peoples' entitlement to liberties over their own body - I dont want millions more people around.

Either that, or every unwanted child is given to the goverment to raise as soldiers.

[3.1Birdy]

If it were me Im against abortion(my mess so I have to live w/ it), but not everyone is the same so Im pro-choice.

[Mighty Thor]

Lets look at it from a scientific perspective. When two gametes: sperm and egg merge, to form a zygote that is in fact a beginning of life. Anyone wants to argue that.

Conception, birth, elderly, to death is how life is process. Abortion is a direct killing, plain and simple. It is against God's or natural law, which ever you want to take. Imagine, what morality is in that or what morality you want to argue about it.

Let me ask you this, do you wish the woman that carried YOU in her womb in the first tri-master, ABORTED you?

Answer me this before you say anything else.