400 hp/ and 546 lbs/tq in a GTP...

[RedFrk13]

I view both firebirdv6 and clubgp. Stock l36 against stock l36. They are getting around the same 60' times. Some hit 2.0s, some hit 2.3s. RWD definitly has the advantage with LSDs being so cheap compared to FWD ones.

You guys should try launching a pickup truck! :(

[KBeezy]

Launching a truck? "dun-it" ... I got a 1993 GMC ;)


60' times depend on the driver. The better your 60' the better your launch the better time you will get. Simple as that. But you're comparing stock to stock. Stock FWD l36 cars were built to handle a stock L36.. RWD L36 cars (base model f-bodies) were built to handle LT1s & LS1s +++ more (GM already knew people would build em up)... [img]tongue.gif[/img] Mod for mod RWD will be able to put it to the ground much more consistantly and much easier.

[BirdOfPrey01]

Originally posted by KBeezy:
HAHA. Not difficult huh? Apparantly you forgot about weight transfer and suspension setups. As well as differential setup, because MOST front wheel drive cars are an open differential meaning its a one wheel driven car.

I dont get where you learned how to drag race, but you obviously dont know much. It takes more than a good set of tires to launch a FWD and race a FWD properly. FWDs suffer from 2 major things, wheel hop and torque steer. Wheel hop? You figure it's got all the weight on the wheels and you're good to go -- wrong.. Weight transfer lifts the weight up and does exactly what you dont want it to do on a front drive car, you want the front end to have a nice squat and go effect. You also want it to go straight, thats where torque steer comes in to play. Being its not only your drive wheels but your steering wheels as well your car will be trying to go anywhere but where you want it to go. ;)

I say 400hp is a good number, great dyno numbers.. But I will be real impressed when its to the track.

Besides, you obviously dont know anything about 60' times either.. *shakes head* Go back to the track and watch some races, maybe once you learn a few more things you'll know what you're talking about ;)

Who said anything about launching and putting power to the ground have any relivance to the saying "if you can't launch, you are not putting power to the ground"

Hell, if you pull a 2.3 60 foot and still run 12's obviously you are putting a hell alot of power to the ground.

A good launching has to do with traction, weight distribution and power.

It doesnt matter how much power you put to the ground. FWD sucks for drag racing do to the design of pull and not push.

Weight transfers to the back when you acellerate.

When this happens in a FWD car, the tires need "ALOT" of traction, because the weight falls behind or close to the driver. And the weight from the drive and middle transfer to the rear of the car.

This lightens up the front enough to create traction problems and a nasty uneven balance.

Everyone in the world relies on traction, even air planes in the sky rely on it

Onto the steering subject...

the torque steer is due to uneven weight transfer, use of a non limited lock diff or no lock

And

The fact that the wheels you turn side to side are the same ones that spin, this make it easy to lose control by nudging the wheel a little much.

The reason RWD is less sensitive is because the Rear Wheels do not move left or right, they are straight, and as long as you keep the front straight you should stay in a good line.

Ever notice when you drive a RWD car on ice you can turn your front wheels fully to the left or right while accellerating and still go straight?

The reason for this is loss of traction in the front. But the rear is still getting some traction because the rear wheels are warmer/stickier from being forced to spin, spin faster so they find traction.

This is why people that do wheelies on the track dont usually vear off to the left or right unless they have a major malfunction or lined up their car badly. Cause the rear wheels are "Straight!"

Now think of a FWD car on the ice, you start accellerating and the front tires are catching traction, if you turn the wheel you you go straight, because the part that is catching traction also turns left and right so you will go left or right.

So now back to the weight transfer which ties into this.

If the weight is transfered to the back when accellerating, and a good ammount traction is lost in the front.
And the front wheels are the ones that turn left and right.

How does this create an easy straight controlled straight line?

RWD
Weight Transfers to Back.
More traction created from weight being thrown to the back.
Wheels that are forced to spin do not turn.
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FWD
Weight Transfers to Back.
Less Traction created from weight being thrown to the back.
Wheels that are forced to spin also turn.


Think about it [img]smile.gif[/img]


Physics, what a wonderful thing.

[ February 15, 2005, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: BirdOfPrey01 ]

[95Batmobile]

Why post all that **** a month later?

[BirdOfPrey01]

Because I hate when people refer to me more than the subject. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[3.4 slow to go]

yup, I should just sell my GPGT, it only got 15.5 w/no mods.......or traction. what a dog. a month later.

[Fbody3400]

Originally posted by Shane:
400 is weaksauce.

Supra's are soysauce. ;)