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    This seems to be a hot topic now, and i thought i would try to start an intelligent conversation about why drugs should be leagal. Now if you cant keep from expressing ignorant opinions like "yeah man i just wanna get high" then please dont post.

    Alright first I'll start with a history lesson. You my notice that my topic is titles "Relegalization" no leagalization. This is because if we look back into our nations past we find that there was a time that there were no restrictions on any substance. So why did they impliment laws in the first place? Well many beleive it came about almost as a racist act because certain races liked to use marajana rather than drink. So to take something away from them laws were implimented against it. Others think it was implimented by the same groups who got prohibition started (the ones who think the government has the right to force other peoples morals upon the masses).
    this leads me to the next argument that people bring up that "crime will rise if we legalize drugs". Well if you again look to the past. When prohibition started what happened? did crime go down as a result of making a substance illeagal? No, rather the opposite happened. Common people who would otherwise not break the law went to speak easy's to get a drink and were no considered to be breaking the law. These people could now be placed under arrest and put in prison. This lead to some crowding of prisons and required more personel in them to keep it operating properly. Not only did this happen but this is when we saw the rise of organized crime. Today these instances are very similar to the "drug problem". Our prisons are overrun with people who use drugs just as the prisons were full of people who drank. Today organized crime no longer has a prophit to distribute alcohol but drugs have filled the void. also after prohibition was lifted crime went down not up. i beleive this would be the case with drugs as well.
    The other thing people think would happen if drugs were leagalized is that everyone would go out start doing coke and heroine. its just sad to think people beleive this. I personally dont know anyone who would go do coke or heroine... ever. It has nothing to do with laws saying they cant its because they know for their own health they shouldt. Now there would probably be a rush for people on marajana and lower level drugs but i think they would most likely be the people who already do it and people who drink and smoke cigs. People also think that kids would all start doing drugs... again they are blind if they think they dont already have access to them however there would obviously be a "drugging" age just like there is a drinking age now and i dont think there would be much if any increase in usage in kids/teens.
    Lastly it could actually lower your taxes quite a bit if it were relegalized. for starters there would be no more DEA, this would get rid of billions of dollars in taxes. Also since alcohol is taxed drugs too could be taxed which would add even more revenue for our government and only those who use would be paying the tax on it.
    Now you are probably thinking i am a pothead or whatever but quite the contrary i hate pot. i did it once and all i did was get stupid and have cotton mouth. I dont however think that just because i like it that nobody should have the right to do it.

    To the mods: If this is out of line or you dont beleive that our site can handle this topic please go ahead and close it and i'll delete my entire post.
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    Ever known crack addict? Ever known heroin addict? Apparently not.

    It hijacks your brain. Takes away your reasoning and logic. Your life becomes the substance. A lot of times people don't realize how potent the substance is, only when it's already too late and they are addicted.

    Hard drugs should remain illegal and we should add cigarettes there, too.

    I have mixed feelings about legalizing pot, too. It's not physically addicting, so I think it should be legal.

    Don't know much about LSD, but from stories I've heard from people that have done it, it should remain illegal.

    Party drugs like extacy... well, I think that should be legal.

    I suppose you want our tax money to go to funding of overcrowded rehab centers for crack and heroin addicts.

    The problem is that people aren't responsible. There are some extremely potent substances out there and some people just don't realize what they might be getting into.

    There's a way though: such as educational classes, after which you get a license to buy those substances.

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    • #3
      I dont belive all drugs should be legalized, however I do belive marijuana should be. Now many of you know that I used to smoke weed, I have quit and havnt smoked in about a month and will never smoke again. I will be taking the police accadamy entry exam in just a little over a year and will have to be able to answer that I have not smoked with in a year of the exam under a polygraph test.

      Having had past experiance and friends who use both weed and other drugs I can tell you weed is very different. The health risks that are associated w/ weed are minor and in the majority of cases, are short term. Memory loss has been proven to be reversed after you stop smoking. When I have more time later tonight I'll post links to several tests disproving many of the stigmas on weed including the gateway drug theory, perminent memory loss, and a few others.

      edit - I want to add that I agree w/ ka50, hard drugs like coke and heroin need to remain illegal, they are far to dangerous to be legalized. I have never used LSD but know friends that have, I have mixed feelings about it but to remain safe I'll say it should remain illegal. Shrooms have no side effects and once they wear off its like youve never taken them. I've never taken X either, but I've researched it and it has been proven that it is also not as dangerous as once thought. Some years past the govnt did a test on X and released results saying it causes holes for form in your brain. It was later release that the drug they tested was not mdma (ecstasy) but mda, an entirely different chemical.

      So to sum it up:
      hard drugs - coke, heroin, meth; need to remain illegal
      natural drugs - weed and shrooms; should be legalized
      manufactured phycoactives - lsd and ecstasy; not as dangerous as first thought, however I dont think they are ready to be legalized for the general public.

      [ November 17, 2004, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: 95fbirdkid ]
      RedlineVSix

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      • #4
        here is my reasoning as to why heroin/coke should be legal, if they want it they will find it no matter what. And yes i understand exactly what heroin and coke do to people. However it is this knowledge that keeps and will keep most from doing it. I dont beleive it is the job of the government to protect us from ourselves, hence everything should be leagal. I dont think rehab clinics would really need to be run any differently, the truth is if you want help you can find it. Also i think it would be cheaper to fund rehab than to fight against drugs the way we are now. One last point i wanted to add, The drugs once made leagal will be cheaper (more supply to even out demand) and the addicts wont commit crimes to pay for their habbit.

        as for LSD, i have a limited knowledge of how it effects people but i did shrooms once (another non-addictive drug) and if it is similar then there is no problem with it. The only thing people need to realize with halucinagenics is that you need to be in a stable mindset before using the drug and have a friend there for you to kind of keep you grounded. I have been there for a few friends who have done shrooms several times and none have had a "bad trip". I will probably do them again someday but not anytime soon.

        [ November 17, 2004, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: T-Punk ]
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        • #5
          Originally posted by T-Punk:
          here is my reasoning as to why heroin/coke should be legal, if they want it they will find it no matter what. And yes i understand exactly what heroin and coke do to people. However it is this knowledge that keeps and will keep most from doing it. I dont beleive it is the job of the government to protect us from ourselves, hence everything should be leagal. I dont think rehab clinics would really need to be run any differently, the truth is if you want help you can find it. Also i think it would be cheaper to fund rehab than to fight against drugs the way we are now. One last point i wanted to add, The drugs once made leagal will be cheaper (more supply to even out demand) and the addicts wont commit crimes to pay for their habbit.
          people will commit murder if they want to even if its illegal, doesn't mean it should be legalized.
          RedlineVSix

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          • #6
            i dont think you are grasping what i mean. I dont expect people to stop killing other. I expect it to go down in the form of gang warfare, but what i really think would drop more is theft to pay for an addicts habbit.
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            • #7
              Oh lord [img]graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img]
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              • #8
                how is that popcorn there Blackbird, hehe. Its been civil and intelligent so far. I hope it lasts.
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                • #9
                  Needs more butter
                  Okay............. why was that double posted? Wierd.
                  N E WAY, I belive pot should be legalized.

                  Yes lets keep it civil and intelligent [img]smile.gif[/img]
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                  RT: .0006 60': 1.894 1/8 mile: 8.351 @ 84.89 1/4 mile: 12.974 @ 107.81
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                  • #10
                    I dunno, I'm really torn, I guess. I am in high school and I know just about everyone does weed, if not more.

                    The problem I see is that we have issues with people being in OD centers all over the place: I dont want my tax money paying for some other ******'s drug problem.

                    If you want to do drugs in your sparetime, that's great, more power to you, but when you start to involve me in the mixture in ANY way (whether by having to deal with you while on a buzz) or anything...then I have issues.

                    I hear Ann Arbor has hash-bash day, where the fine for being picked up with weed is only $1. I've never done it, so I dunno really what to say..
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                    • #11
                      I agree people shouldnt just be out smoking weed everywhere, just like they shouldnt drink beer everywhere. What i think would end up happening is bars would start carrying weed along with alcohol, the two are pretty condusive together from what i have seen with my roommates over the past couple of years. I think it would remain like alcohol a "Bar and Home" usage.
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                      • #12
                        you know what would go really good with that popcorn? a grilled cheese sandwich haha. only 70k ;)
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                        • #13
                          Popcorn and grilled cheese, Im getting the munchies [img]graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]
                          New Toy Red 94 Formula LT1
                          RT: .0006 60': 1.894 1/8 mile: 8.351 @ 84.89 1/4 mile: 12.974 @ 107.81
                          crashed Red 96 Camaro 3.8l: 14.91 @ 92.38
                          The ex wife's Black 98 Firebird 3.8l: 15.23 @ 88.12

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T-Punk:
                            how is that popcorn there Blackbird, hehe. Its been civil and intelligent so far. I hope it lasts.
                            you know what would go really good with that popcorn? a grilled cheese sandwich haha. only 70k [Wink]
                            If you want to keep this civil and on track, dont post things off topic, how many actual debates have you seen where they start talking about random things in the middle?

                            I agree that if weed or anything else was legalized there would have to be strict restrictions on where you could use (not in public, driving, ect). Thats one of the problems w/ legalizing weed, theres no way to "breathilize people to see if they are high, and a field sobriety test used for drunks wouldnt work for stoners. When I used to get stoned i could say my abc's backwards and forwards, walk a straight line, all that stuff.

                            edit - actually I think it would be a good idea for both of you to go back and delete the worthless posts, I think it would help keep this thread open longer.
                            RedlineVSix

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                            • #15
                              drugs should be only for sick people. plain and simple. if even that. im leaning towards saying that they shouldnt get it but i dont know someone with that kind of problem so im kinda ignorant of their problem. i think if someone is doing drugs and gets caught, they should have to work on farms for the rest of their life like slaves. seems like a good plan to me cause they dont care about being slaves to drugs :\ **** them all
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