Relegalization

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Legalization of Marijuana is always being thrown into the Congress playground. Why? Just because many people are torn on this subject.

I believe alcohol is much more harmful than Mariujuana, however, everyone's tolerance differs. That's really not a strong point to argue. It's just my opinion.

The part I hate about alcohol most is that it does kill. The only THC overdose that I have heard that was reported was in some other country not too long ago, and the person in question most likely died from either lack of oxygen to his head or his body just shutdown with the amount of constant inhalation that went on. Whereas with alcohol, I lost a friend who just didn't wake up the next morning due to alcohol poisoning.

I really wanted to host the term paper I did on it, but I checked and only have it in print. No way am I typing 8 pages and having it not count, lol.

With the money fighting the war on Marijuana, if done the right way, the government could make a nice hefty sum of profit off of it. Only problem is...it probably won't happen in our lifetime.

[EolGul]

Originally posted by T-Punk:
This seems to be a hot topic now, and i thought i would try to start an intelligent conversation about why drugs should be leagal. Now if you cant keep from expressing ignorant opinions like "yeah man i just wanna get high" then please dont post.

Alright first I'll start with a history lesson. You my notice that my topic is titles "Relegalization" no leagalization. This is because if we look back into our nations past we find that there was a time that there were no restrictions on any substance. So why did they impliment laws in the first place? Well many beleive it came about almost as a racist act because certain races liked to use marajana rather than drink. So to take something away from them laws were implimented against it. Others think it was implimented by the same groups who got prohibition started (the ones who think the government has the right to force other peoples morals upon the masses).
this leads me to the next argument that people bring up that "crime will rise if we legalize drugs". Well if you again look to the past. When prohibition started what happened? did crime go down as a result of making a substance illeagal? No, rather the opposite happened. Common people who would otherwise not break the law went to speak easy's to get a drink and were no considered to be breaking the law. These people could now be placed under arrest and put in prison. This lead to some crowding of prisons and required more personel in them to keep it operating properly. Not only did this happen but this is when we saw the rise of organized crime. Today these instances are very similar to the "drug problem". Our prisons are overrun with people who use drugs just as the prisons were full of people who drank. Today organized crime no longer has a prophit to distribute alcohol but drugs have filled the void. also after prohibition was lifted crime went down not up. i beleive this would be the case with drugs as well.
The other thing people think would happen if drugs were leagalized is that everyone would go out start doing coke and heroine. its just sad to think people beleive this. I personally dont know anyone who would go do coke or heroine... ever. It has nothing to do with laws saying they cant its because they know for their own health they shouldt. Now there would probably be a rush for people on marajana and lower level drugs but i think they would most likely be the people who already do it and people who drink and smoke cigs. People also think that kids would all start doing drugs... again they are blind if they think they dont already have access to them however there would obviously be a "drugging" age just like there is a drinking age now and i dont think there would be much if any increase in usage in kids/teens.
Lastly it could actually lower your taxes quite a bit if it were relegalized. for starters there would be no more DEA, this would get rid of billions of dollars in taxes. Also since alcohol is taxed drugs too could be taxed which would add even more revenue for our government and only those who use would be paying the tax on it.
Now you are probably thinking i am a pothead or whatever but quite the contrary i hate pot. i did it once and all i did was get stupid and have cotton mouth. I dont however think that just because i like it that nobody should have the right to do it.

To the mods: If this is out of line or you dont beleive that our site can handle this topic please go ahead and close it and i'll delete my entire post.

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Agreed. If someone wants to f*ck themselfes up, let em go for it. Most of the people who end up doing herion and stuff like that are have suicidal tendancies anyways and are going to kill themselves (or someone else) eventually. Nobody says that you can't eat fast food, but millions have died from a lifetime of stuffing their faces with fries and do it willingly. Same thing with drugs. If people choose to hurt themselves, why should the government have to protect them?

As for weed, it's less dangerous than alcohol. Why it is illegal is beyong me, but I'm not going to complain too much. It's easier (for a high-schooler) to get than alcohol is, and if it were legal, there would probably be some kind of age-restriction. But really, what's so bad about something that makes you happy, hungry, and laugh a lot?

[CAMAROWIDBASS]

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But really, what's so bad about something that makes you happy, hungry, and laugh a lot? [/QB][/QUOTE]


Thanks you, enough said. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[CAMAROWIDBASS]

Originally posted by CAMAROWIDBASS:

But really, what's so bad about something that makes you happy, hungry, and laugh a lot? [/QB][/QUOTE]


Thank you, enough said. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QB][/QUOTE]

[chas]

strangely enough alcohol is legal and has severe physiological effects on the human body. no one ever considers alcohol a hard drug. completely legal to go out every night and get as drunk as you like (as long as you are over 21).

theoretically speaking, how would this be different than a "marijuana bar" or an opium den?

[Th3 RiCk]

dude, i used to be a "true pot head" we're talking about smokeing 3 times a day every day. I did try other things, i've done coke, shrooms, and all that (not heroin)

What I mean by a true pot head is someone who just sits and laughs. Someone who can't carry on a conversation and talks with a permanent slur. Similar to the way Bill and Ted act in their movies. I know people just like this. They're a waste to society.

I know friends that have been addicted to harder things. But it isnt the weed that got me/them there. Its more the people you start associating w/ that puts you around other drugs, if weed was legal and you didnt have to go to your neighbor hood dealer who also has a ounce of coke sitting on his coffee table, not nearly as many people would do harder things.

If you and your friends had never tried weed once, do you think you would have ever tried the other drugs? Weed is a beginner drug. It only opens the door for people who realize that it feels good to get high.

The whole "he didnt get high off weed anymore" is BS. You may grow a tollerance but i smoked like a chimney for 3 years and still got high every time. And even if you did stop getting the effect of weed you wouldnt move to coke or heroin or anything else b/c the feeling you get is completely different than weed.

Just because you never grew a tollerance to marijuana doesn't mean other people can't. People can and do smoke to the point where it no longer gives them the same high.
How do you know that they won't move on to coke or heroin? You even said you tried coke, right? Would you have tried the coke if you and your friends never tried weed as your first?

Saying weed is a gateway drug b/c alot of heroin addicts smoked weed first is like saying pizza is a gateway food b/c alot of crack heads have ate pizza. Now if every person who smoked weed moved on to other things, then you would have an arguement.

Irrelavent. You can make that analogy with anything in life. You're basing everything off of you and your friends lifes. The world is a lot bigger than your clique.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by chas:
strangely enough alcohol is legal and has severe physiological effects on the human body. no one ever considers alcohol a hard drug. completely legal to go out every night and get as drunk as you like (as long as you are over 21).

theoretically speaking, how would this be different than a "marijuana bar" or an opium den?

Alright, alcohol is bad. It has the potential to ruin your life, and it serves no meaningful purpose. Does it make sense to keep adding things to the list?
Alcohol doesn't destroy everyones life and neither does weed. But it definately has the potential to.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by EolGul:

Agreed. If someone wants to f*ck themselfes up, let em go for it. Most of the people who end up doing herion and stuff like that are have suicidal tendancies anyways and are going to kill themselves (or someone else) eventually. Nobody says that you can't eat fast food, but millions have died from a lifetime of stuffing their faces with fries and do it willingly. Same thing with drugs. If people choose to hurt themselves, why should the government have to protect them?

I agree. I don't care what people do to themselves as long as it doesn't affect me or the people I care about. So why should the government protect them? Because they just don't hurt themselves. Intoxicated drivers kill people other than themselves. Alcohol contributes enough to unnecessary deaths. Marijuana is only going to add more to the total.

[Chris S]

Ain't nobody's business if you do.

[ka50]

The rick, you're failing to realize that weed is readily available on the street. If it's legalized it wouldn't mean people would use it more, it would simply mean people will not get arrested and put in jail for posession of small amounts (1/8th).

You're talking as if weed is hard to get and by legalizing it everyone will have access to it. Wake up and face the facts - it's easier to get weed than alcohol if you're under 21.

How is it justifiable to make someone live with criminal record, pay fines, serve jail time simply for posession of small amounts of weed? At least make posession of small amounts legal. In some states it's just a 20$ civil fine or something for posession of small amounts. Some states, however, feel the need to lock up these extemely dangerous criminals!!!

[EolGul]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
Intoxicated drivers kill people other than themselves. Alcohol contributes enough to unnecessary deaths. Marijuana is only going to add more to the total.

I dont know about you but when I'm stoned, I drive reallllly slow, like 80 year old lady style :D

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by ka50:
The rick, you're failing to realize that weed is readily available on the street. If it's legalized it wouldn't mean people would use it more, it would simply mean people will not get arrested and put in jail for posession of small amounts (1/8th).

Do you honestly think that if weed were legalized more people wouldn't try it? It would grow to the likes of cigarettes or beer. Of course thousands of people who would have never tried it before would be willing to. A lot of people don't want that on their records. A lot of people don't do it because they are led to believe it's bad for you. If the gov't oks it, the number of new smokers will double or triple.

You're talking as if weed is hard to get and by legalizing it everyone will have access to it. Wake up and face the facts - it's easier to get weed than alcohol if you're under 21.

Not particularly. I've been buying alcohol since I was 16. I know exactly which carry outs to go to. I have no idea where to get ahold of weed other than going through friends who know friends.

[ka50]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ka50:
The rick, you're failing to realize that weed is readily available on the street. If it's legalized it wouldn't mean people would use it more, it would simply mean people will not get arrested and put in jail for posession of small amounts (1/8th).

Do you honestly think that if weed were legalized more people wouldn't try it? It would grow to the likes of cigarettes or beer. Of course thousands of people who would have never tried it before would be willing to. A lot of people don't want that on their records. A lot of people don't do it because they are led to believe it's bad for you. If the gov't oks it, the number of new smokers will double or triple.

You're talking as if weed is hard to get and by legalizing it everyone will have access to it. Wake up and face the facts - it's easier to get weed than alcohol if you're under 21.

Not particularly. I've been buying alcohol since I was 16. I know exactly which carry outs to go to. I have no idea where to get ahold of weed other than going through friends who know friends. </font>[/QUOTE]So, you're saying just because you and some people believe it should be illegal, you feel it's appropriate to project your beliefs on other people's lifes and make them harder (arrests, high street prices), just because they believe otherwise, and it's not hurting you or any other given person in any way, shape or form? Unless used irresponsibly, I could understand, however, it is individual's sole responsibility to be responsible for their actions (such as driving while intoxicated). Know your substance, have a sitter if you're too unsure.

Define who the victim is... if a person has 1/8 on him and get arrested... all he wanted to do was to smoke a join of weed in privacy of his own home.

[phoenix64]

I don't see how legalizing weed will increase the usage. Nearly every person I know has tried weed. Everyone who wants it can get it. Legalizing it will have very little effect on the who uses it. Consumption would go up a little bit, especialy at first. But in the end its possible consumtion would go down once it lost the "illegal drug" appeal.

[GrigoryRasputin]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
Weed is a beginner drug. It only opens the door for people who realize that it feels good to get high.

Welcome to 2004, everyone stopped using the "gateway drug" argument around 1997.