Sweden kicks America's *** for the title of world's fastest cars

[95Batmobile]

Originally posted by KBeezy:
You know where you're wrong though - the car may be built in sweden.. But it uses a Ford powerplant.. You lose!

check and mate [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img]

I didn't know it used a ford motor..
4.6?

[Cole Angrimson]

Sweet car though. Damn that thing is fast.

[hou-tex-six]

Dyhedral-Synchro-Helix Actuation doors... that will drop some panties for sure.


Cp

[Dan M]

Heavy clutch and transmission were a bad thing in the Vette. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[KBeezy]

They're not heavy - its just Europeans are weak and can't handle a muscle car.

[Dan M]

That's what I think. Of course, the reviews were done by two different people - the guy that reviewed the Vette scoffed at the "heavy clutch and clunky transmission" while the guy in the Swedish car was pleased to find the same attributes.

[majeskyb]

I really like the music the driver listens to when he puts the cars through the road course

[Mighty Thor]

I like the way for the fact that most fast American cars are affordable. But yeah, I think if GM wants too, they can build it.

It's just that nobody has ever built a reliable supercar. Only the Americans have done that with the ZO6, Ford GT, and hate to say, I guess even the Viper.

[T-Punk]

it is very true that italian sports cars are not reliable. my dad use to be friends with a guy who owned a miura, a countach, a diable, an lm002, a viper, and a ZR1 corvette, and he said that the viper and zr1 were the only ones that didnt need to go to his mechanic every month to keep running. i admitt american sports cars are no where near the performance machines or works of art that european supercars are. They do serve their purpose of offering fairly reliable performance and do have a larger market wich is why the big three will alway make these types of cars and never make supercars. Dont get me wrong though, i would take a lingenfelter 427 twin turbo vette over any other car (can you say 0-60 in less than 2 seconds) :D .

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by T-Punk:
it is very true that italian sports cars are not reliable. my dad use to be friends with a guy who owned a miura, a countach, a diable, an lm002, a viper, and a ZR1 corvette, and he said that the viper and zr1 were the only ones that didnt need to go to his mechanic every month to keep running. i admitt american sports cars are no where near the performance machines or works of art that european supercars are. They do serve their purpose of offering fairly reliable performance and do have a larger market wich is why the big three will alway make these types of cars and never make supercars. Dont get me wrong though, i would take a lingenfelter 427 twin turbo vette over any other car (can you say 0-60 in less than 2 seconds) :D .

nah whould rather have 1000TT viper or the rumored 1500TT viper over that vet ANY DAY or the Sir-Hiss viper......lol :D

[imported_admin]

Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
With all your slamming of American "supercars" you forget to mention one:
Molser MT900S Photon.
$210,000
435hp LS6 V8
sub 2000 weight
0-60 in slighty over 3 seconds
tops speed near 200 mph

Your reviews are wrong regarding "killing" the Lamborghini Diablo VT or GT, and the Koenigsegg will nail both anyway. 650 hp supercharged V8, sub 2000 weight, 1-60 in slightly below 3 seconds, top speed of 245 mph. Plus you get those Dyhedral-Synchro-Helix Actuation doors. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Originally posted by wannabe:
Hey Stefan, what about the Saleen supercar? 0ne of the world's quickest-accelerating production vehicles, top speed over 200mph, and better-looking than any Lamborghini.

The Saleens are fast, no doubt, but they can't touch Lamborghini, Koenigsegg, or McLaren. Top speed of "over 200" is very different from "over 245". I have a video of the McLaren F1 doing 254 mph (broke some sort of world record in the process), I should dig it up and post it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by wannabe:
I think that Big 3 companies don't make a supercar because, for the most part, it's simply not profitable for them to do so. It would cost much more to design and build a proper supercar than they'd ever make by selling the 100-500 per year that most supercars sell.

Very true.

Originally posted by wannabe:
I think that the biggest hurdle to a Big-3 supercar is one of branding. Would you spend $200,000 on a Chevrolet or a Chrysler?

Absolutely correct. Really, when you're spending $200,000+ on a car, you don't care about performance. A 205 top speed is the same as a 245 top speed. At that point you're obviously making a statement--image, reputation, etc. The exotics make that statement, anything with a Chevy/Ford/Dodge brand does not. That's just standard consumer behavior economics... and that's why the big 3 never end up actually producing an exotic. If I was a billionaire I wouldn't spend that much on a Ford no matter how much faster it was than the McLaren F1.

Originally posted by wannabe:
On the subject of the Koenigsegg... DAMN. They never mention a price, though, or say whether it'll be full production.

Last time I checked they were building 300 and the price was around $400,000 each. There were 100 McLaren F1's build at $1,000,000 each... but the Koenigsegg is arguably faster.

Originally posted by T-Punk:
i would take a lingenfelter 427 twin turbo vette over any other car (can you say 0-60 in less than 2 seconds)

But that's just it though. Its still just a Corvette, and a dragster at that. Regardless of 0-60 or quarter mile, it would lose on that track they tested the Koenigsegg on. And if you're paying that much, why bother with a lowly Chevrolet? Doesn't matter if the Vette has a 0.1 0-60 and 50,000 hp, people pay for what they perceive to be valuable, and Corvettes are perceived to be the poor man's mid-life-crisis sports car--not an exotic.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by Stefan:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by T-Punk:
i would take a lingenfelter 427 twin turbo vette over any other car (can you say 0-60 in less than 2 seconds)

But that's just it though. Its still just a Corvette, and a dragster at that. Regardless of 0-60 or quarter mile, it would lose on that track they tested the Koenigsegg on. And if you're paying that much, why bother with a lowly Chevrolet? Doesn't matter if the Vette has a 0.1 0-60 and 50,000 hp, people pay for what they perceive to be valuable, and Corvettes are perceived to be the poor man's mid-life-crisis sports car--not an exotic. </font>[/QUOTE]i dissagree. thats like me walking up to you and saying, " my car has better plastic then yours". come on man you would look at me like then you would be like "lets race then". to me those "exotics" as you call them are way over priced, and people only buy them b/c they have the money to. Not because they look deap into the specs like we are doing... another thing those cars, INCLUDING THE VIPER, are all hand made, most vipers made in a year was just over 3000, yeah ok but there price is what 85K. so if you made 500 vipers a year there price would go WAY up to slow the demand right? so i will always consider a Viper a "Exotic". any way it just a car you can only go so fast with them and only for so long. still gets you from point A to point B, wheather its from light to trap or drive way to school.
Also the europe cars speed limits are slower then ours, the auto BHAN now hows a speed limit, 150 KPH thats like what 85? do poeple lissen ? hell no. do the cops care or even try to stop a lambo going that fast? sh!t no (italy now has a lambo on there force lol) i can drive to venice at 100 MPH and BMW's will still fly buy like im sitting still, and the lambos make it feel like your going the wrong way.

I really dont see what the big deal is, We as americans could make any V8 or V10 car MUCH faster then any of there "exotics" for like half the price. yes those cars are factory that fast but who makes them faster? i have never seen any "exotic" showen with "this and that upgrades" other then viper. there's another name for them its called "endangered" like the cheata fastest land animal on earth, but you don't see many. are they worth 1 mil? no
BTW the italy fok over her really like the Vette, the guy that has on always has some hot italy chick, and always giving italains rides in, even if they don't speak english

Andrew

[ August 04, 2004, 12:37 AM: Message edited by: viper04af ]

[95Batmobile]

Originally posted by Stefan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
With all your slamming of American "supercars" you forget to mention one:
Molser MT900S Photon.
$210,000
435hp LS6 V8
sub 2000 weight
0-60 in slighty over 3 seconds
tops speed near 200 mph

Your reviews are wrong regarding "killing" the Lamborghini Diablo VT or GT, and the Koenigsegg will nail both anyway. 650 hp supercharged V8, sub 2000 weight, 1-60 in slightly below 3 seconds, top speed of 245 mph. Plus you get those Dyhedral-Synchro-Helix Actuation doors. [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]If my reviews are wrong, give me proof. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And the own video you posted says 0-60 in 3 seconds dead, not under 3 seconds. Quit changing the facts! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Did you even watch the video? lol

[imported_admin]

Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
If my reviews are wrong, give me proof. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And the own video you posted says 0-60 in 3 seconds dead, not under 3 seconds. Quit changing the facts! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Did you even watch the video? lol

You said top speed "near 200". Very different from a Lamborghini Diablo's top speed of "near 230-240". Your quote mentioned

And as for the Lamborghini's and Astons and Porsches......

No Contest.

Right. No contest. 200 mph is slower than 240 last time I checked. [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img] American "supercars" are cheap imitations, get over it. No domestic will ever touch the Lamborghini V12. Don't forget, the Lambo punches 550 hp in base trim, 600 in GT or higher in GTR. That's enough to royally spank any 435 BS the domestics can come out with.

And yes, I do have an emotional connection to the Koenigsegg... about ten years ago they approached my father (who is a Swedish-born engineer) and asked him to invest some money in their little project. He declined because they wanted a lot and the turnaround would take at least ten years. But since then I've gotten the odd tidbits of information. 3.0 0-60 is on a bad day.

I'm hoping they would let me take a test drive if we end up going over there next summer... I doubt it. They'd probably boo me away. :(

[wannabe]

Stefan, it seems like you're trying to argue both sides. You say that a top speed of 205 is essentially the same as a top speed of 245 when it comes down to a purchase decision, yet you knock the S7 for being slower than the Koenigsegg. I'm not going to argue that anyone currently makes a FASTER car, I'm just saying that Saleen proves that Americans are capable of making a true supercar. I'm defining a supercar as a very powerful, very limited, very exotic (in technology and looks), and very expensive car - you'll note that Corvette does not fit into that range. Also, I'm personally partial to the looks of the S7 over the (still sweet) Koenigsegg, but that's all subjective.