Some controversial issues to debate

[Blazing_Firebird]

You clearly don't understand memphis.

If your alleged "God" didn't intend for people to be that way, he wouldn't have made some people that way.

But he did.

There is no point in attempting to justify that he didn't, because he did.

Say what you want, lump it together like Stefan does with social horrors like pedophilia and bestiality, but they are not one in the same. They are opposite ends of the spectrum.

Besides, with all due respect to several members who responded in here:

Who the hell do you think you are to rationalize what is or is not moral or right? You are nothing more than a human being. You are nothing more than a gay person or straight person, and, if God truly does exist, you are just a pawn like all the rest of us.

Your place, I reiterate, is not to judge. That's "his" job.

And, for future references, if you are going to try to make a point, try not to sound like an idiot in doing so: comparing being gay to murder is like comparing apples to oranges. They will not, and never have been, the same.

I am done with this ridiculous topic, I am totally with LD on this one.

I love you guys on this board, you're great guys, but this is one issue I will never agree with you on.

Keep in mind that my opinions and your opinions don't affect how I feel about you in other posts. This is, after all, a debate thread, and they are there for fun, let's keep it that way [img]smile.gif[/img] .

[memphis_raines]

I never compared being gay to murder. I never said I was God either. It's just my opinion. It just kinda makes you think when you see all the immorality that goes on these days that is considered part of everyday life when it shouldn't be that way.

That's my two cents on it.......I'm outta here

[Camarorulz]

Although I agree with a lot of what is being said, I don't like using the "God" argument because not everyone can relate to that. If you're not religious, then my saying that "God meant for people to be heterosexual" has little meaning. I'll put it another way:

As I stated earlier, WITH EXCEPTIONS, I consider homosexuality to be a defect caused by society. As memphis raines said, if it was meant for two members of the same sex to reproduce, then that would be genetically possible. It ISN'T!! My argument was practically ignored by all those in support of gay marriage: the argument was this: if everyone was homosexual, then our race would have dwindled out of existence a long time ago. Yes, gay couples may be able to adopt, but they didn't naturally give their child to the world.

Stefan, you make some good points and I agree with pretty much everything you say, but comparing homosexuality to murder is a little extreme.

Stefan made a very interesting point that the original topic of discussion is being ignored: that original focus is the validity of a legal homosexual marriage. It is not and should not be legal because homosexual couples cannot reproduce and (debate this all you want) are not equipped together to raise children. The most healthy family setup for a child to have is two good parents, one MALE, one FEMALE. If a child has two male parents, he/she doesn't get the benefits of having a parent of the other sex. This situation regrettably plagues many single parents. There are many people out there raised by a single mother, but not many of them would say that they wish they didn't have a good father as well. LEGALLY, homosexual marriages aren't allowed for a reason. Simply put, society can cope with homosexuality, but I would be appalled if a homosexual couple could get the same benefits through marriage as my parents, who have been married happily for over twenty years. Gay advocates are quick to point out Britney Spears and every other irresponsible brat that got married on a whim, let's look at some of the responsible marriages in society.

You can get into the role-playing game and claim that one partner in a homosexual marriage could be the father, one the mother, but I won't play that game. No WOMAN can be as good of a father as a good man, and no MAN can claim equal mothering skills to most women. So what do we have with a homosexual marriage? A confused child who gets made fun of in school and two "parents" that are at a disadvantage raising him because of the very nature of their relationship.

The effeminate thing was brought up earlier by Blazing Firebird: of course not all gay men are effeminate, it was the first example I thought of off the top of my head. I never claimed all gay men were effeminate, stop distracting the focus from the real issues.

LD: yes there are exceptions, heterosexual couples that can't reproduce, but as has been pointed out, the line needs to be drawn somewhere, and that line cannnot be at heterosexual couples who happen to no be able to reproduce, or who choose not to. Oh by the way, how is emotional abuse illegal?

Heterosexual couples that cannot reproduce can adopt, just like homosexual couples could, but the child in the heterosexual "family" will receive a much better upbringing simply because he/she will have a normal home life. Kids will get made fun of in school, but they shouldn't have "you have two dads" added on as well. The fact that children will be made fun of in school is no reason to tack on additional ammunition for bullies to use. Homosexuality won't go away, but that doesn't mean we should legalize homosexual marriages.

I'll reiterate one of my earlier points: if everyone was homosexual, there would be no human race!

I can throw a piece of trash on the ground and justify it by saying it's only a little bit, but if everyone littered one little piece of trash a day (as it seems happens sometimes,) our cities would be trashed.

Littering is not much of a problem compared to the homosexual marriage issue, but it does compare in this way. I guess what I'm saying is that homosexual marriage is like littering: if everyone did it then an undesirable result would occur. This is why littering is illegal, this is why homosexual marriage is illegal.

[ September 07, 2004, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: Camarorulz ]

[Blazing_Firebird]

See, the marriage issue doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. I have no desire to get married, so it doesn't affect me. However, it truly doesn't affect me, and it doesn't affect any of you personally.

I guess it just comes down to your political/sociological beliefs.

However, I will say this: any child with two parents of the same sex, several of which I have known my whole life, have had wonderful experiences. Have they been made fun of in school? Of course they have, because parents (not pointing fingers at board members here) teach their children that it's wrong and it's something to be hassled about.

In school, which I'm still stuck in, I live my life by these stadards: you don't have to like how I life my life, but don't judge me for it.

That same standard applies with same-sex families, which are, in fact, family. Maybe not by a Webster definition, but they most certainly are families. If peopel weren't so bull-headed in society, and teached their children to disagree ( or agree to disagree) with it, rather than hate it, it would be a much better world.

The ONLY reason it's hard for same-sex families is because of the excess pressure put on from bigots. But in every case I've ever encountered thus far, the children(s) of the same sex families were proud to say they had two-parents, rather than none at all. Some of them actually say they think they prefer it over a traditional family. It's just people that make it untraditional.

Times change. Sorry to get back off topic, I'll let you guys further discuss the real topic of this thread, just had to say it.

Have a good day [img]smile.gif[/img]