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  • #31
    anybody watch the world news on CNN tonight?

    they had a pretty good bush flip-flop (er, i mean outright lie) about the job situation. His people predicted that 250000 jobs would be created by this point in time, and he said that they were well on track. Then there was a good long analysis of the quality of jobs being created, and they were nowhere near as high paying as the ones lost when the economy went south.

    My uncle had a discussion with me, and he said that the president doesn't have control over the economy. But this isn't true, the president makes policy decisions that affect everything from minimum wage to tariffs. And yes, I know that most of those decisions first pass through congress, but the president has more power in the process than any other single man because he can veto it or sign it into law, and Kerry would have vetoed a LOT of the environmental law rollbacks that the GOP controlled congress has passed in the past four years.

    Afghanistan we don't know too much about, my one qualm with that operation is that Bin Laden, the bastard of 9/11, still hasn't been apprehended and brought to justice. This tells me that the administration isn't using enough of its resources to hunt that pig fcuker down and kill him. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and it was documented when Rumsfeld, on 9/12, said that it would be a good idea to use 9/11 as an excuse to go into iraq. American intelligence is as good as any that has existed in the history of the world, and it would not be hard for a division with virtually unlimited resources to plant false WMD evidence, especially in a world of alliances in which the allies' intelligence network is so interconnected.

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    • #32
      If you look in the quotes, by March 02, Bush didn't care about him.

      The reasons for the war are all lies. All the WMDs, according to the Bush hand picked expert David Kay:

      Information found to date suggests that Iraq's large-scale capability to develop, produce and fill new CW munitions was reduced -- if not entirely destroyed -- during Operation Desert Storm and Desert Fox, 13 years of UN sanctions and UN inspections.
      And as for nuclear projects:


      Despite evidence of Saddam's continued ambition to acquire nuclear weapons, to date we have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material.

      In fact, on 24 Feb 2001 In Cairo, Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."

      Gotta love our President. 9/11, planned by Osama, who was our tool in Afghanistan. Planes in which the majority of the hijakers were Saudi hit 3 out of 4 targets. And who does he go after?
      Iraq, which had nothing what so ever to do with it.

      OBL must of laughed his rear off."We strike America, and Bush takes out our enemy Saddam for us."

      Here is something you might like to read.
      Its Walmart, which supports Republicans, vs Costco, which supports Democrats. Just looking at how much Costco pays employees dropped my jaw.

      http://www.boston.com/business/artic...onal_politics/

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      • #33
        And yes. There is job growth. Little, but it is there. But it is meaningless if you can't live on it. And as the Republicans are very much against raising the minimum wage and unions.....

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        • #34
          omg, i just typed up a huge thing and i lost it. damn it. lets try this again.....
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          • #35
            omg, i just typed up a huge thing and i lost it. damn it. lets try this again.....
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            • #36
              ok, the social security thing is wrong on his part. as for jobs, hes should raise minimum wage cause that would give kids more of an excuse to not go to college or drop out of high school cause it would be easier to live off of working at mcdonalds or braums. and bush cant control what jobs people choice or what poeple offer. i think peoples (mainly democrates but republicans too) expectations are too high for job growth. i dont think we will make the goal. as for bin laden. we havent caught him yet cause hes impossible to catch. now, if we had control over pakistan or were aloud to go searching for him freely then we would probably find him or send him on the run again but im sure hes sitting comfortably in a hut every day eating good and relaxing. and bush doesnt care about bin laden anymore cause hes not a threat. he has no control or say anymore. hes just a symble to the terrorists, not even the majority of the anymore. all those iraqi bastards are the problem right now.
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              • #37
                thats pretty much what i had to say but i wrote it up alot better last time
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                • #38
                  Ellik, dont take it personally - just some of the things you said were patently false. Also, its not a partisan issue either - 98v6 frequently talks out of his ***... this is the first time Ive seen you not being right, however I still dont know how mantels can be worth 1500 bucks or whatever it was

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                  • #39
                    ABH - if you were just a little more attractive, and female - I'd date you.

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                    • #40
                      We got a choice

                      Gung Ho Bush

                      Or

                      Vote for me just because im John Kerry.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Machiavelli:
                        ABH - if you were just a little more attractive, and female - I'd date you.
                        I thought you were "open minded" [img]graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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                        • #42
                          This thread has brought up a new issue, even though we have more information than ever before, the tv networks are playing less and less of what the candidates actually say over the air. This causes everything to be pretty much rhetoric because nobody knows which part of the speech will be picked out and used for the broadcast.

                          It's bizarre to me that the more info we have, the harder we have to work to get it. Interesting.

                          Oh, and ellik, I didn't mean anything personally, just an observation I've made about a lot of my friends and acquaintances is that they make their minds up without actually reading anything or researching anything at all.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Machiavelli:
                            ABH - if you were just a little more attractive, and female - I'd date you.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Machiavelli:
                              ABH - if you were just a little more attractive, and female - I'd date you.
                              Uh...thanks. I think :D

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                              • #45
                                I think the dems have to fear what the Republicans had to fear in 1996, with Clinton vs. Dole...

                                Dole kept harping on Clinton, giving too many reasons NOT to vote for Clinton, and not ENOUGH reason to vote for Dole.

                                I for one, I have mulled this over in my head...and knowing some of Kerry's stance on Iraq, or at least what it WAS? ,.... well. My vote is for the man in the white house now. [img]smile.gif[/img]

                                Then McCain/Powell or Powell/McCain in 2008 [img]smile.gif[/img]
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