abortion...not a sappy story, but MY heartfelt request.

[Mogobs30th]

Just call yourself Pro-abortionist, because that's what you are, for abortion. But go ahead and deny.

The differences between pro-life, pro-abortion, and pro-choice is how we as a society FORCE ourselves and our beliefs on an individuals decision.

Pro-Life = Someone other than the mother saying that you MUST have this child, no matter the circumstances.

Pro-Abortion = Someone other than the mother saying you MUST abort this child, no matter the circumstances.

Pro-Choice = Letting the mother make an intelligent decision based upon instinctual AND MORAL persuasion.

Thats how you break down all three. It is all a matter of how we force ourselves upon others, plain and simple.

[Tyler]

i am all for abortions, as long as the couple has an agreement on it and honestly feel its the best solution for them.. but it shouldnt be no later than 3 months. anything after that.. i say have the kid. no reason to be pregnant of 6 months and realize you want an abortion..thats wrong

[LD]

Originally posted by Mogobs30th:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Just call yourself Pro-abortionist, because that's what you are, for abortion. But go ahead and deny.

The differences between pro-life, pro-abortion, and pro-choice is how we as a society FORCE ourselves and our beliefs on an individuals decision.

Pro-Life = Someone other than the mother saying that you MUST have this child, no matter the circumstances.

Pro-Abortion = Someone other than the mother saying you MUST abort this child, no matter the circumstances.

Pro-Choice = Letting the mother make an intelligent decision based upon instinctual AND MORAL persuasion.

Thats how you break down all three. It is all a matter of how we force ourselves upon others, plain and simple. </font>[/QUOTE]common sense break downs like this get ignored by the other side [img]smile.gif[/img]
what is the argument against this?
logic, aint it a b****

[SpeedingFirebird]

Originally posted by Mogobs30th:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Just call yourself Pro-abortionist, because that's what you are, for abortion. But go ahead and deny.

The differences between pro-life, pro-abortion, and pro-choice is how we as a society FORCE ourselves and our beliefs on an individuals decision.

Pro-Life = Someone other than the mother saying that you MUST have this child, no matter the circumstances.

Pro-Abortion = Someone other than the mother saying you MUST abort this child, no matter the circumstances.

Pro-Choice = Letting the mother make an intelligent decision based upon instinctual AND MORAL persuasion.

Thats how you break down all three. It is all a matter of how we force ourselves upon others, plain and simple. </font>[/QUOTE]yes, thank you. Gawd, I'm sick of people equating pro-choice with pro-abortion. It's like saying someone who is agnostic is a devil-worshipper. There is a difference. Unfortunately, humans as a species generalize and categorize things they don't understand. If you don't understand the pro-choice position, LISTEN to it.

Abortion is a scientific, religious, political, and moral issue. That is why it is so heated.

It is more than a woman's right, because a man was involved somewhere. This is a choice between two people (or one in the case of rape) and their medical professional.

We humans are animals. Yes, we have superior intellect, but many of our behaviors map back to the animal kingdom. Psychology is very cool - I recommend everyone learn about it.

I find it disgusting when people force their beliefs on others. Like those that try to convert me by knocking on my door. Or billboards that says "find Jesus". Or people with bombs. We are a diverse world and it is far from likely we will all converge on one set of principles. Yes, live the way you want, but don't force your ideals on others. They have ideals they want to protect as well.

Um..I think I'm done ranting. After reading all of the previous posts, I had trouble keeping track of all my points.

Go Giants! :D

[Mighty Thor]

[quote]Originally posted by Mogobs30th:

Pro-Choice = Letting the mother make an intelligent decision based upon instinctual AND MORAL persuasion.

Intelligent-I like that. Instinctual-I like that even more. Moral- HA HA..excuse me.

[jola]

@ mogobs

i suppose you are right in my judgement of life. i do not feel human life is equal to that of lesser animals. i eat meat, almost everyday, and i have no problem with picking an apple off of a tree and eating it, but i have never, nor will i ever, condone the murder of another person for food, even if they were sleeping and i was really really hungry. this is b/c i value human life over animal/plant life, and i think the majority of the world agrees with me. i walk on the grass everyday, with little regard for the life of the blades, but i'd find it absurd to line humans up on the ground and walk on them. its totally different because humans are not grass.

@ everyone else

do you seriously, honestly feel that your mother should have had to option of ending your life up until the very day of your birth? the thought that my generation has suffered so greatly from would-be mothers who, for one reason or the other, have aborted people (i consider babies people, even while they are in the womb) that would've been my peers saddens me greatly.

[jc Kyle]

i wouldn't want my mom to be some ignorant teenager who got knocked up by her jock boyfriend and who wants nothing to do with her, growing up in the ghetto with a single mom.. F*ck that,kill me.. babies don't become self aware usually till 2... until then, they're other intelligent animals.. and guess what? we don't care if they kill them..

[Die Ford V8]

Originally posted by jola:
@ Mogobs

as far as the nature argument is concerned, i think it is different for humans. humans and animals are seperated by morals. i believe cannabalism (sp?) is wrong, and hopefully you do too. however, there are species in the animal kingdom that do not have the same feelings and find it quite amusing to eat their young or their competition. i also find it hard to equate a human life with the life of an animal. take for instance, the blade of grass that you mentioned. according to your argument, if i understand it correctly, stepping on a blade of grass is equal to battering another human. i find this hard to accept. i've killed many a worm on my fishing expeditions...does that put me up there with charles manson?

"You could perpetually be bringing a life into this world only so it can suffer in the long run."

i understand this argument, but disagree with it. i don't think that you or i can judge the importance of a life. how can you say that a life that suffers more then you shouldn't have the option of living?

@ firebirdGT

its true, you can't legislate morality. but as far as the "it needs to stay a woman's choice" statement, please tell me why you believe it is the woman's choice. i understand its infinitely easier for a man to say have the baby then for a woman to have a baby, but what makes you feel that a woman has the option of ending a seperate life other then her own? is it b/c the baby is inside the woman and dependant on her? if so, that would mean the only difference between killing a 3 month old baby and having an abortion would be the location of the child. legally speaking, that's fine, but i can't justify that in my mind.

i couldnt agree more, your a o k ;)

[Die Ford V8]

Originally posted by Rabid Dog:
Die hard, if you don't want a flame war, or this thread locked, I'd suggest some level-headedness.

If you'd actually, you know.. read the post fully, instead of furiosly pounding the "quote w/ reply" button with your enraged finger, you'd read a little more into it.

I don't agree with abortion, but at the same time I think it's wrong for people to actually try and force their views and beliefs on other people. In fact, if you want to get precise, it's that same thing that got Roe v/s Wade passed in the first place. People getting angry, and sticking their noses into other people's personal lives. They (pro-choicers) had no choice, but to take it to court.

That's what is slowly ruining this country, people sticking their noses in every facet of another person's life.

And, I'm sorry, but that last line in your post was just stupid. It's not even in the same ballpark.

Basically, it's cool to be against abortion. Hell, I am. But what your trieng to do is force people into your beliefs by getting angry at them and placating them.

You would do alot more good, if you calmly discuss it with people, give them the pros/cons, and then try and sway them. But, leave the ultimate choice to them. Free speech is their speech too.

What's good and right for you, may not be best for someone else.

i made the post at the beginning and have read them all so far. [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img]

oh and about giving the pros and cons, you guys are giving the pros and im giving the cons. im not forcing this on you or knocking on your door at home, you chose to get involved. if someone asks you if you want a free pizza are they forcing you to have the dang pizza.

i simply posted my thoughts, a way for people against abortion another option to help stop it and am trying my best to give you the cons about the hole thing.

it seems the only ones that get flamed back or talked bad against are the ones that actually have a real arguement against someone. if i were to agree with you youd have no prob with me, but you dont seem to be able to handle disagreement and want your way or no way.

in logistics you have to keep an open mind, im not forcing my religion on you at all, im stating some facts OF LIFE and DEATH and its for you to take it or leave it or disagree with it for all I care, but if you have the right to disagree with my then by all means dont get offended or mad when i disagree with you....

[ September 29, 2005, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: Die Ford V8 ]

[Mogobs30th]

i suppose you are right in my judgement of life. i do not feel human life is equal to that of lesser animals. i eat meat, almost everyday, and i have no problem with picking an apple off of a tree and eating it, but i have never, nor will i ever, condone the murder of another person for food, even if they were sleeping and i was really really hungry. this is b/c i value human life over animal/plant life, and i think the majority of the world agrees with me. i walk on the grass everyday, with little regard for the life of the blades, but i'd find it absurd to line humans up on the ground and walk on them. its totally different because humans are not grass.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I feel the same way, for one exception, humans are no better than any other form of life. I feel no compassion for people that get killed or hurt messing with other forms of life on this planet. When I see people that try train wild animals, and then get attacked by them, I actually find that quite amuzing myself. Of course, I eat meat, step on grass, I fish, but at the same time I have respect for nature and its own instinctions for life.

[Die Ford V8]

if people hurt themselves with tigers or explosives its kindof their problem since they are the cause, but if someone hurts/kills someone else it wasnt their fault, it was unfair and that person had no right to kill the other person.

woman cry, cry all you want about haveing to be pregnant 9 months whatever and having a flabby stomach afterwards. your killing someone special so you dont have to deal with 9 months... would you hold a pillow on your stomach for nine months to save your best friend, or mother, father, sister, son, etc.

lame excuse in my book and im sure in Gods book as well. ill try this all without the thought of God, besides the fact that he is the reason i believe this, so i dont get a huge God thread on this thread. there is already a God thread, not that I dont want more, but....

so you could kill millions of people personally every other day just like you cut your grass?

all of life is important dont get me wrong, but we are in no ways equal, prove that we are and ill shut up, in every way i can think of we are not equal, living yes, but not equal.

[Mogobs30th]

Originally posted by Die Ford V8:

all of life is important dont get me wrong, but we are in no ways equal, prove that we are and ill shut up, in every way i can think of we are not equal, living yes, but not equal.

I already have. I took the time to watch those movies, I believe that you can take the time to read my responses. As Robert said earlier, this is all a religious thing, thats all it is, get past that, and pro-lifer's really don't have much to argue with. I am really dissapointed in a lot of people here. I have taken the time to understand both views on the subject, but few have wanted to understand mine, which only shows a lack of intelligence on their part. As far as I am concerned, this post is done.