Religion.. or.. morals persay

[SpeedingFirebird]

Originally posted by Die Ford V8:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by navyblue2000:
Heh, just when you think you have all the facts...

You can't disprove God...

yes you are right, the ones that dont believe the only true God are damned. right along with the ignorant and the people that dont think there is a God.

but hey, you arent going to hell because you dont think one exists... i wouldn't make a claim like that unless you know for sure.

and how is my arguement a fools arguement, im looking at it from both sides and it is true. you cant disprove me on that arguement either there isnt a hell or there is and either you believe or you dont. your statement about my arguement is foolish. i dont want to cut you down because that is not my intent.

I want you and everyone here to go to heaven and not suffer the consequences of hell, but to live in eternity with God and me. I want you to Rabid dog, maxcamaro, mighty thor, tyler, 12 secondv6, and everyone to go to heaven and to follow their Creator and Father, just like you all want your child to follow you. i dont want to dis on anyone or cut them down, i only want to cut down the things that are holding them back from eternal life in heaven and break the chains that are draging them to Hell.

its either you beleive or you dont. i am trying to not force you to believe, but logically and lovingly bring you all to a realization of the truth. its not me that will lead you to God, but God using me. God is the one that ultamitely wants you to follow Him, the reason I want you to is because of Him. the way i feel against abortion is nothing compared to the way i feel against seeing anyone die in hell. God wants you all to live, God wants little unborn babies to live, infact he wants 4000 more a day to live in the U.S. alone.

God want us to live, and wants life to live, its the life's choice whether it is sustained or not. God gave us that choice, what we do with that is your own free will.


[img]graemlins/bowdown.gif[/img] to the Holy, and Righteous, and Loving God, our Father and Creator. </font>[/QUOTE]Your argument is a fools argument because you cannot prove gawd's existence EITHER way. You beleive he exists (which, btw, is fine with me), but you cannot PROVE it scientifically.

True, you cannot disprove Dog, but you also cannot prove it. Hence the debate rages on.

Given your "to the Holy, and Righteous, and Loving God, our Father and Creator." I have much trouble believing you are looking at it from both sides.

My brother found Phil Collins a while back. He tried all this love in your heart crap with me then. My wife tries it all the time. I am a scientist, and as such I need undeniable scientic evidence. Of which, there is none.

Hey mods, just a friendly chat. ;)

[ September 29, 2005, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: SpeedingFirebird ]

[v6man]

just read my little backpack bible ( go ahead make fun of it being small) between genesis 2:1 and 4:1 there is no mention of an apple tree but it is called the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

just my quick and little research

[FirebirdGT]

My "TRUTH", mine and my church.

God is all there is in the Universe. There is only One Power, and that is God. God is Intelligence, Energy, Love, Abundance, Harmony, Beauty, and Creativity.

There is no devil as an entity or being opposed to God. Evil is the creation of man and is expressed by man as a result of his belief that he is separate from his good, his God.

Each human being is created in God's image and likeness, and endowed by our Creator with the freedom to use the Laws of the Universe for good or evil.

God is Spirit, and has no gender or limiting human emotions such as anger, wrath, vengefulness, or jealousy. Thus, God neither punishes us for "bad" deeds nor rewards us for "good" deeds.

Rather, there is a universal Law of Cause and Effect, which decrees that every thought and every action has an automatic consequence. Whatever we believe, we create, or as the Bible puts it: "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he." What mankind has thought of as punishment or reward is really the consequences of this freedom of choice, never punishment or reward by God.

The "Word" of God is the great Causative Power of the Universe. God is eternally initiating the Divine Creative Process. Since the human spirit is One with Universal Spirit, our thought is creative and we re-enact in microcosm the Divine Creative process in our lives.

God is not only Transcendent, the Great Mystery behind all thought, but God is also the Immanent Reality as the heart of every person and every thing.

We may rely upon the presence of God within us as our guide to right action in every circumstance, and for the healing of body and mind.

We respect and honor the right of every person to follow their own spiritual path, in the conviction that all paths lead to the same destination, and that by whatever name we call the Divine, it is the same God, since God is One.

We respect and honor the great Avatars and Teachers of all religions, whether called Brahman, Krishna, Allah, Wakan Tanka, the Buddha, the Prophet Mohammed, or Jesus the Christ. Each has taught us to look within to find the same Spirit that expressed Itself through them. As the Bible says, "Let the Mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus."

[SpeedingFirebird]

Originally posted by FirebirdGT:
There is only One Power,

The greeks fealt there was an entire set of gawds, Zeus, Poisidon (sp), etc. Maybe THEY were right, and all modern religions are wrong. How would we know?

If there is a heaven, JC is going to be upset that everyone pronounces his name wrong. It is Hey-Zeus, not Jee-zus.

Oh, but maybe I'm just ignorant. ;)

[navyblue2000]

Not so much ignorant, but uh...I never made any snide remarks to you. Gawd, Dog, etc...come on. Have a LITTLE respect.

[SpeedingFirebird]

Originally posted by navyblue2000:
Not so much ignorant, but uh...I never made any snide remarks to you. Gawd, Dog, etc...come on. Have a LITTLE respect.

no you did not. Die V8 ford did indirectly. Called all non-believers ignorant.

No offense on the Gawd, Dog stuff. I do that to my wife all the time to get her goat. I also call her um.. priest dude the reverend-father-priest-rabbi dude. [img]graemlins/banana.gif[/img]

[Mogobs30th]

but, my explination his based on the TRUTH, the BIBLE. the bible has never been proven wrong, prophecies were fulfilled and the Bible is inerrent. All other religions have parts in their so called bible that are full of errors and contradictions that prove their religion fony. fony because their religions (religion being a practice in my definition) is worshiping a god that was man made, with guidelines made my man and what is man...?... imperfect is what he is.

The BIBLE is made by God, who is perfect, and the bible is inerrent. it does not contradict itself in any way, sure there are calvanist and armians, but thats way different than morman and jehovahs witnesses...(will not explain about them... there is no need)

believe in what is perfect, GOD, follow what is perfect, GOD's WORD(BIBLE), follow His ways and they will lead us to eternal life.

if there wasnt a God, there wouldnt be a perfect book since all humans are imperfect.

its so clear that my ancesters arent amebas or one celled organisms.

i mean dandilions seed with those little with things that float in the air. what kind of brain does a plant have to evolve its offspring into little things that get caught by the wind. plants dont even know what wind is.
Inteligent design, an all knowing talented creater is the only logical explination.

im ready to hear LOGICAL explanations against me. what im saying isnt a religion based brainwashing. it has been proven by so many athiests that the bible is inerrent that they become beleivers themselves.

If you read the Bible at all God's words would speak directly to your hearts and pierce your heart like a two edged sword. But when you read you can be scepticle all you want, but be open minded. closed minds cant accept anything if they dont have the ability.

open your mind to the truth. or run away from your father creator and kick his a**. it will get you real far in eternity

I couldn't stay out of this one, I'd have an easier time stopping smoking.

You say that us universalists (not just atheists) cannot disprove YOUR god and his so called "perfect" bible. But on the same end, you yourself cannot prove anything in the bible to be true beyond the fact of a coincidence. And to say that the bible is perfect I can believe, through its own contradictions and errors it has the power to relate to MOST everyone on this planet. But some of us who have actually used reasoning, a cause and effect way of thinking, science, and life experience (which most christians gave up a long time ago doing) have realized that the bible is just another book among books. Some of what it says has a good message, but to take it completely to heart is a sign of stubborness, ignorance, and brainwashing. Your own words almost FORCE us to be this way or no way when simply reading the bible. I myself have read it, I cannot find anything within its words other than control and fear for the hopeless masses of the world. BTW, perfection is a matter of opinion, whether it be a womans looks, a car, or a book.

the only TRUE sect is the Bible sect". everyone has tried to prove that statement wrong, and are still trying...

While most of christianity will not ever prove that right beyond your "Word of God" and coincidental events in history, its simply not possible.

but be open minded.

You ask what you know nothing about. You have never been in my shoes, but I have definitely been in yours. I was a christian at one time, I thought that God watched over us. But the more older I got, the more things just didn't add up. How could God give us such things as instinct, but wish us to do the opposite of what our own body, mind, and spirit tell us to do? How could so many bad and terrible things happen to good people. And I realized that God was not watching over us, but instead created us to do for ourselves. We are here only to enjoy what has been created by God (not your god) and to live with others living their experience as well. We must at the same time conduct ourselves within a certain balance of things. Religions only purpose is to create a quick answer for those who are too ignorant to use reasoning and intelligence while asking the questions of why we are here. I ask you instead to open your mind, use the intelligence you have, try reasoning with what you have experienced and what your environment opens to you.

BTW, Robert, what you say sounds very similar to some free-thinking way of life, might I ask what is it you call your beliefs?

[FirebirdGT]

Originally posted by SpeedingFirebird:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FirebirdGT:
There is only One Power,

The greeks fealt there was an entire set of gawds, Zeus, Poisidon (sp), etc. Maybe THEY were right, and all modern religions are wrong. How would we know?</font>[/QUOTE]True to a point. What you are talking about was the "outer" religion. The "inner" or "sacred mysteries" taught that there was only One. The "gods" are aspects of the One, used to teach the masses through stories.

[FirebirdGT]

Originally posted by Mogobs30th:
BTW, Robert, what you say sounds very similar to some free-thinking way of life, might I ask what is it you call your beliefs?

Panentheism

[SpeedingFirebird]

Originally posted by FirebirdGT:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SpeedingFirebird:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FirebirdGT:
There is only One Power,

The greeks fealt there was an entire set of gawds, Zeus, Poisidon (sp), etc. Maybe THEY were right, and all modern religions are wrong. How would we know?</font>[/QUOTE]True to a point. What you are talking about was the "outer" religion. The "inner" or "sacred mysteries" taught that there was only One. The "gods" are aspects of the One, used to teach the masses through stories. </font>[/QUOTE]Dude, I have no idea what you are talking about here. Please elaborate.

[SpeedingFirebird]

Originally posted by v6man:
just read my little backpack bible ( go ahead make fun of it being small) between genesis 2:1 and 4:1 there is no mention of an apple tree but it is called the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

just my quick and little research

I just talked to my wife. She said her reverend told her the stuff about the apple replacement in the bible. Take it up with him. :)

In regards to "the bible has never been proven wrong, prophecies were fulfilled and the Bible is inerrent." by Dv8F

My wife (a church goer) says the bible has many erros and contradictions. Theologists have a ball with people who take its word direclty. Her priest acknowledges the fact there are errors (hence the apple example he gave.

[ September 29, 2005, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: SpeedingFirebird ]

[FirebirdGT]

Originally posted by SpeedingFirebird:
My wife (a church goer) says the bible has many erros and contradictions. Theologists have a ball with people who take its word direclty. Her priest acknowledges the fact there are errors (hence the apple example he gave.

True, but it doesn't matter because the Bible was not meant to be read literaly. You need to look for the deeper spiritual truth.

[Fbody3400]

I'll throw my brief $.02 in.

The bible is a good Fiction story....

Also, I find it incredibly weird when people express their love for "god the almighty creator". I just don't understand how you can think like that. But, I don't mind that you do, its your choice.

[Tyler]

i'll have to dig through my brothers philosphy books and to give u information regarding the religion every 600 or some odd years..

I could be wrong on the amount of time between new religions.. but i know what i read.

gimme some time to re-research that.

i THINK it was from the book "the antichrist" written by Arthur W Pink, George Nathaniel Henry Peters.

all things aside..

my main belief is Karma. What goes around comes around.

Karma should be what makes this world go round

[Tyler]

dont have the actual writing stating that new religions were founded every so odd years..

but here is a timeline of world religions in chronological order

http://www.letusreason.org/Cult11.htm