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    Disclaimer: I love women. I believe a man should know how to be a man for a woman.

    Now this looks like a job for me
    So everybody, just follow me
    Cause we need a little, controversy
    Cause it feels so empty, without me


    Aight, listen up, the class is now in session. Copied from mASF forums, enjoy and hopefully learn something.

    ===

    How to **** a woman who wants you to **** her

    I've been on ASF for almost a year now. Looking back on my experiences, I
    realize that the most useful advice I've gotten here is not about how to
    attract girls, but how to **** girls once they are already attracted to you.
    That's what this post is about: This is a summary of the most basic,
    non-controversial ASF advice on how to **** women who are attracted to you. It
    should be especially helpful for those who are new here.

    First, a word on attraction. ASF teaches many good techniques for making women
    feel attracted to you. When done properly, negs, patterns, C&F/GM/MM routines,
    pAImAI, projecting sexual state, and push-pull screening are all powerful tools
    for building attraction. However, when done the wrong way or at the wrong time,
    these techniques can make you seem bizarre and can derail your social
    interactions. You should use them if they work for you, but most normal guys
    don't need any of these techniques to attract women. If you go out and do the
    things you enjoy in life, and you're around other people a lot, you will
    encounter plenty of women who are attracted to you.

    The problem is that most guys don't know how to recognize when a woman is
    showing signs of attraction, or how to **** her when she does. These are things
    you can learn on ASF that every man should know, but most do not. In addition
    to using this material yourself, you can teach parts of this stuff to your
    friends, without even mentioning that you learned it on ASF, and have a
    significant impact on their success with women too.

    Almost all of these ideas came from TFM or other posters. What I have done is
    to synthesize the stuff that has had the greatest impact on my own game. I hope
    people find it useful...

    ***************************************

    Outline

    ***************************************

    A. How to **** a woman who wants you to **** her

    1. Recognize IOIs
    2. Isolate
    3. Escalate kino
    4. Take her home and **** her

    B. How to avoid common stumbling blocks

    1. Don't supplicate
    2. Pass **** tests


    ***************************************

    A. How to **** a woman who wants you to **** her

    ***************************************

    1. Recognize IOIs

    When a woman is attracted to you, she will demonstrate it in ways that are
    quite obvious if you know what to look for. She will do this by giving
    Indicators of Interest (IOIs). Common IOIs include:
    - Complimenting you.
    - Touching you.
    - Pointing out something the two of you have in common.
    - Choosing to be with you, instead of with her friends or somewhere else.
    - Smiling and playing with her hair while she talks to you.
    - Asking for your name (after you have met and talked for a while).
    - Offering to hold something for you, get something for you, or some other nice
    gesture.

    Once a women has given you two or three of these IOIs, that means she wants you
    to **** her! Women love sex and are constantly communicating to men that they
    want to ****, but most men are totally ignorant of this, since they do not
    understand how women communicate and do not know how to recognize and interpret
    IOIs.

    If a woman does not give you IOIs, or, worse, gives indicators that she is
    uninterested (finds excuses to be away from you, looks away when you talk,
    etc.), that means she does not want to **** you. In some cases you can turn
    around this lack of interest, either with social proof from other women or with
    other attraction-building techniques, but it is usually a waste of time to try
    to **** a girl who does not want to **** you. Just move on and find one that
    does.

    One warning about IOIs... If it is a woman's job to be nice to you, for
    example, she is a waitress or a stripper, you should not interpret her everyday
    job performance as an IOI. For example, if a waitress offers to refill your
    water glass, that is not an IOI. On the other hand, if the two of you chat for
    a while, then she smiles and says "I'm really glad you came in here today and I
    got to meet you," that is probably an IOI.

    Also, in some rare cases women give fake IOIs. These appear to be normal IOIs
    (or exaggerated IOIs), but her real goal is to manipulate you into doing
    something for her, instead of to have sex with you. This is pretty rare,
    though, and you shouldn't worry about it. As long as you follow the rest of the
    advice below, she will quickly realize that you cannot be manipulated, and will
    either leave or will become genuinely attracted to you.

    ------------------------------------------

    2. Isolate

    Once a woman has given you two or three IOIs, you should isolate her as soon as
    possible. It is almost impossible to build the connection necessary to have sex
    when you're around a group of people. There are several reasons for this.
    First, other people are likely to distract her and break her sexual state.
    Also, if her friends are around, they might get jealous and make her feel
    guilty for wanting to **** you. Finally, when it comes time to escalate kino,
    she might not feel comfortable kissing or touching you in front of other
    people. So you need to isolate her.

    It is usually easy to isolate a girl who is attracted to you. If you have met
    her in a bar or club, you can invite her to go sit with you in another section
    of the bar, away from her and your friends. You can also invite her to go to
    another nearby bar or coffee shop with you, or if she mentions any other nearby
    location, you can offer to take her there.

    It is best to isolate her right away instead of messing around with phone
    numbers. However, if it is impossible for the two of you to leave the group,
    you can get her phone number and plan to meet up some other time. This meeting
    should be something casual, like getting drinks or coffee, and should never be
    a group date or any other situation where the two of you are distracted by
    other people.

    If she is giving you massive IOIs, and seems ready for sex right away, you
    should invite her over to your place or somewhere else you can **** her.

    ------------------------------------------

    3. Escalate kino

    In order to **** you, and woman has to feel very comfortable touching you. The
    way you make her feel comfortable is by gradually increasing the amount of kino
    (touching) between the two of you, always gauging her response to tell when she
    is ready to go further. If she reacts with tension or withdrawal, she feels
    uncomfortable and you need to back up, but if she seems relaxed an comfortable
    when you touch her, or returns your kino by touching you, then you can keep
    going.

    There are various stages of kino you should take a woman through. As soon as
    she gives you a couple of IOIs, you can start doing light kino like touching
    her on the shoulder. If this goes well, you can move to touching more sensitive
    areas like her hands, her lower back, or her legs (if you are sitting down).
    Once you get to this stage, it is time to kiss her. Most guys make too big a
    deal out of kissing. Once a girl has given IOIs and let you isolate her and do
    some light kino, kissing her is easy. Start with a little peck on her cheek or
    her neck. Back up and give her time to react. Then give her another little
    peck. In the unlikely case that she objects strongly or seems tense, you have
    gone too far. If she gives a more playful objection like "Do you always kiss
    girls right after you meet them?" it is just a **** test (see below). Pass the
    **** test and keep going. Escalate until you are making out.

    Make out for a while and have fun. Once you have been making out for twenty to
    thirty minutes, you can try to take her home and **** her. If she won't go,
    just keep making out with her and try again later. Be very sensual, lick her
    neck, kiss her lips, and play with her hair. Women get really horny from this
    stuff.

    ------------------------------------------

    4. Take her home and **** her

    Once you have been making out with a girl for a while, or she is giving you
    massive IOIs, it is time to take her home and **** her. When you invite her to
    your home, it is important that you provide an innocent excuse for her to go.
    This can be something simple like, "Would you like to come over and hang out
    for a while?" or "Do you want to come over and have a drink at my apartment?"
    You can also invite her over to look at something like pictures from a vacation
    you went on, your rock collection, or whatever. It doesn't really matter what
    excuse you use. If she's ready to **** you, she'll agree.

    A common misconception is that when a guy uses an excuse like this he is being
    deceptive and "tricking" a woman into going to his apartment so he can "take
    advantage" of her. This is bull****. All you are doing is providing an innocent
    excuse for her to go home with you without feeling like a slut. It would be
    crude if you came right out and said, "Let's go home and ****." The whole idea
    of tricking women into going back to your apartment is ridiculous. If you bring
    a girl to your apartment before she has communicated through IOIs and kino that
    she is ready to ****, she is not going to automatically have sex with you just
    because she is in your apartment. You have to build the necessary connection
    first, so she wants to **** you, then invite her over.

    Once she is in your apartment, don't rush things. A good rule of thumb is to
    kiss her for at least twenty minutes before taking her shirt off or anything
    else like that. If she objects to something you try, back up, and try again in
    about ten minutes. If she continues to object, or seems really uncomfortable,
    you should send her home (in a nice way). If you don't **** her the first time
    you get her to your apartment, it is probably going to take several more meets
    since you lose some of your alpha status, but sometimes there is nothing you
    can do about that.

    In truth, ASF advice is of limited use once you get her to your bedroom. You do
    not want to be thinking about tactics or techniques at lay time. The key is to
    stay very sensual and sexual, and get her so horny that she is dying to ****
    you. At this point, you should both be in a highly sexual state, and let
    instinct take over.


    ***************************************

    B. How to avoid common stumbling blocks

    ***************************************

    1. Don't supplicate

    These two sections discuss common stumbling blocks that can prevent you from
    getting laid. The first is supplication.

    It is pathetic how deeply ingrained the concept of male supplication is in
    Western culture. Rock lyrics teach kids that "Girls don't like boys, girls like
    cars and money." (Newsflash: Women love men. When is the last time you saw an
    article on cars in Cosmo magazine?) Hollywood churns out nauseating romantic
    comedies in which the supplicating beta male "nice guy" gets the woman in the
    end. Medieval legends tell of knights fighting fire-breathing dragons just so
    they can marry a hot chick who got locked in a tower. History books say that
    Sir Walter Raleigh threw his cape down in the mud so some uppity ***** wouldn't
    get her shoes dirty. The list goes on. No wonder most men think the way to get
    a woman to like you is by complimenting her, buying her things, doing her
    favors, and otherwise supplicating to her.

    The truth is the exact opposite. Supplication makes you unattractive. Garbage
    "pickup lines" like "Your father must have been a thief, because he stole the
    stars and put them in your eyes" and "Let me check the tag on your shirt to see
    if you were made in heaven" are just about the worst thing you could say to a
    woman you want to ****. Buying girls drinks or any other gift before you ****
    her is also a bad idea. Women want to **** powerful, confident, alpha males who
    have their pick of sex partners. Buying a girl gifts or complimenting her
    excessively communicates that you are a weak beta male, desperate for sex, and
    with nothing to offer but money and insincere praise.

    You should never take a woman out to a fancy dinner, or any other expensive
    date, before having sex with her. No matter what your true motivations, she
    will think that you are trying to impress her, which makes you look like a
    weak, supplicating beta male. Your pre-sex meets with girls should be for
    casual activities like coffee or drinks, and you should let her pay her share
    if she offers.

    You should never buy her flowers before ****ing her, and even after ****ing
    her, only on rare occasions.

    Do not pretend to be interested in a long-term committed relationship if that
    is not what you want. It is a common myth that players "trick" women into
    having sex with them by pretending to be interested in marriage when all they
    really want is sex. The truth is that only a pathetic, supplicating beta male
    would try something like that. You should not be ashamed of your desires as a
    man. Women are attracted to alpha males who confidently and honestly
    communicate what they are looking for. Women like to **** too.

    Finally, one of the most pathetic forms of supplication is continuing to show
    interest in a woman who is not showing interest in you. If a girl does not
    return your phone calls, or comes up with excuses not to meet up with you, do
    not keep calling her or inviting her to do things with you. If she is not
    interested in you, do not waste your time with her. Continuing to express
    interest only makes you look more unattractive and desperate. Move on.

    While you should avoid supplication, this doesn't mean you have to be a jerk.
    You should not insult women or otherwise mistreat them. You can even do nice
    things, as long as you do them for the right reason. If the two of you are
    having fun together, and you feel like getting a drink and buying her one too,
    it's okay to offer. Then let her get the next round, just like you would with
    your buddies. It is not okay, however, to buy her a drink in the hopes that
    this will impress her and she will sleep with you. (Women can tell the
    difference.) Likewise, if she is being nice to you, and you feel like giving
    her a sincere compliment, it's okay to do so. But it is not okay to walk up to
    a girl and tell her she is beautiful, before she has shown any sign of
    interest, in the hopes that this will somehow make her like you. Be sparing
    with your compliments, and if she fails to show appreciation by smiling or
    thanking you, don't give her any more.

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    2. Pass **** tests

    Women categorize men into two groups. The first is weak, beta males, who make
    good "friends" or possibly good providers, i.e., boyfriends or husbands who
    provide money and security but not good sex. The second group is powerful alpha
    males, who are good for sex. If you supplicate to a woman, she will assume you
    are a beta male. But even if you do not, she will probably give you "****
    tests" to see whether you respond like an alpha or beta male.

    Here are the three most common **** tests, along with sample beta and alpha
    responses to them:

    **** Test One (beta response)
    Her: I have a boyfriend.
    You: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize... Well, maybe we can just be friends.

    **** Test One (alpha response)
    Her: I have a boyfriend.
    You: I have a boyfriend too. And you know what he told me before I went out
    tonight? He said, "If you meet someone exciting, have a good time! I don't want
    to hold you back." I think it's wonderful that he is so open like that, don't
    you? (said in a playful tone)

    **** Test Two (beta response)
    Her: I'm not having sex with you tonight.
    You: Fine, then I'm leaving! (gets angry and storms off)

    **** Test Two (alpha response)
    Her: I'm not having sex with you tonight.
    You: Who said I wanted to have sex with you? Please, just because we're having
    drinks together doesn't mean you're getting lucky. Stop trying to rush me into
    something I'm not ready for! (said in a playful tone)

    **** Test Three (beta response)
    Her: Are you a player? / How many women have you done this with? / etc.
    You: Oh no, I'm not a player. I never do this kind of thing.

    **** Test Three (alpha response)
    Her: Are you a player? / How many women have you done this with? / etc.
    You: Yo yo yo, I'm a true playa, dawg. / I lost count around 10,000 /
    (otherwise escalate in a cocky-funny way that yes, you are more of a player
    than Wilt Chamberlain)

    These three **** tests are so common that you absolutely must be prepared for
    them. But women also give a whole range of other **** tests that you cannot
    predict, so it is important to understand the principles behind how to respond
    to a **** test.

    The first thing to realize is that **** tests are exactly that. They are
    bull****. She is ****ing with you to see how you respond, kind of like athletes
    joke around with each other in the locker room after a game. Do not treat ****
    tests as logical questions or objections. If your boss at work says, "We cannot
    continue this project because the costs are too high," that is a serious
    objection and you better respond in a logical way. (This is true even if your
    boss is a woman. Women are capable of being logical at work, just not in
    personal relationships.) On the other hand, if a girl you are going to ****
    says, "I don't think we're right for each other because we have nothing in
    common," do not start struggling to think of things you have in common. Give a
    witty response if you have one, or just smile and say, "Yep, we're complete
    opposites!" Then continue as before, without worrying about her bull****
    objections.

    In addition to avoiding logical responses, you also want to avoid apologizing
    or getting angry. Apologizing for some bull**** complaint she makes shows that
    you are weak, and getting angry shows that your self-image is so fragile that
    you place a lot of weight on her opinion of you. Stay light-hearted. If you
    have a witty response to her **** test, that is best. Otherwise, you can ignore
    it, or brush it off. They key is not to act like you care too much.

    You should be aware that it is sometimes difficult to distinguish a **** test
    from a legitimate objection. For example, if you invite a woman to your
    apartment and she says, "I don't know you well enough," a good response is
    "What do want to know about me?" That is a witty way to brush off her
    objection. But if she continues to go on about not feeling like she knows you,
    it could mean that instead of this being a **** test, you really need to spend
    more time building rapport with her so she feels comfortable ****ing you. It's
    a judgment call.

    When a woman gives you a **** test, you should consider this a good sign, since
    it means she is thinking about ****ing you and wants to make sure you are
    alpha.
    However, if a girl gets out of control and gives you more than, say, five ****
    tests in a short period, at that point she's just being a *****, and you
    probably want to move on to another girl.

    Cooljoe

  • #2
    you dont get it do you.... no one one here is interested in your "help".
    RedlineVSix

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    • #3
      If you need something like that to tell you about women, you are an idiot.

      I 'learned' the ways myself, through trial and error.


      Thanks tho Freud. Im good.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ian:
        If you need something like that to tell you about women, you are an idiot.

        I 'learned' the ways myself, through trial and error.


        Thanks tho Freud. Im good.
        The only one who's idiot is the one who doesn't learn from mistakes of others before making his own.

        Philosophy 101.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ka50:
          </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ian:
          If you need something like that to tell you about women, you are an idiot.

          I 'learned' the ways myself, through trial and error.


          Thanks tho Freud. Im good.
          The only one who's idiot is the one who doesn't learn from mistakes of others before making his own.

          Philosophy 101.
          </font>[/QUOTE]why dont you write the book then.. "getting Laid for dummies.. A life long story, by Ka50"
          96 Camaro M5. Dark metallic gree (?dont know the offical color name)<br />Home made Intake :: Headers, 3inch headers back to Flowmaster muffler :: spec stage 3 clutch Now installed, waiting for 3.42\'s and LSD next month<br /><a href=\"http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/RiceEatingCamaro/?action=view&current=newcar.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">My Car</a> <br /><br />Totalled Car.<br /><a href=\"http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/k/sk8er305/\" target=\"_blank\">96 CamaroRS</a>

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tyler:
            </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ka50:
            </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ian:
            If you need something like that to tell you about women, you are an idiot.

            I 'learned' the ways myself, through trial and error.


            Thanks tho Freud. Im good.
            The only one who's idiot is the one who doesn't learn from mistakes of others before making his own.

            Philosophy 101.
            </font>[/QUOTE]why dont you write the book then.. "getting Laid for dummies.. A life long story, by Ka50"
            </font>[/QUOTE]He's unqualified to write that book - it presupposes 2 things: 1.) he is a dummy and 2.) he's being laid.
            Well, we're all pretty sure he's dumb, however the laid thing is not happening.

            Also, ka50, let me give you a little "interesting idea" to consider. If you ever thought it was necessary to read a book about "how to pick up chicks" its pretty pitiful. You claim you used to be pitiful and no longer are b/c you've learned the "ways" and therefore you something to teach all of us b/c of some sort of superiority. Well, take it from someone who has never been pitiful (me), if you feel you need to follow what someone else says in order to find girls and to not screw up w/ them, youre still not on top of your game after reading that **** - and youre still fitting those traits which you initially considered pitiful, you just think youre covering it up by overacting in the polar oppossite.
            If you thought you were shy, you compensate by being over confident... which is exactly what I think we all are seeing here.

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            • #7
              Ok, I've considered your "interesting idea" and came to conclusion that you don't have a slightest clue what you're talking about.

              First thing first - everything in life is skill. You aren't born automatically to know everything. At first, you didn't know how to read. You didn't know how to write. You learned those things. Some people never learn it. Same thing here, with women. You can learn how to be good with women through your own practice. You can learn how to be good with women through someone else's practice. Or you simply will never learn anything about women and whack off to porn all your life, and then coming to car messageboard crying "I NEED A GIRLFRIEND!!!". When you tell the guy "go out and get it" you're faced with "wtf" look on the guy's face. There are two kinds of people in this world, in my opinion. The ones with victim mentality and the ones with take charge of their lifes mentality. Yes, I did have problems with women in my early years. I've failed miserably before. I wanted to find out what was it that I was doing that caused what was happening. So, I started learning someone else's ideas. That's what you do when what you do doesn't work - you look at what others that are successful are doing, so that you can do the same thing and succeed.

              Do you know why so many guys have problem admiting they could use the information that could help them with women? Ego. It's all revolving around ego. Guys choose women based on ego, they act based around their ego. Drop the ****ing ego. Another major rule of the player is that player plays for himself and his woman. He's going for his 10's and doesn't give 2 f*cks about what society thinks. He doesn't worry about what his friends think about his women. Being a player is a way of life, not just a single one thing or quality. It's multitude of qualities that make one big package. See, it takes years to fully profoundly understand the phylosophy of society's control, man-woman dynamic, women's anti-sex conditionings, your own anti-sex conditionings.

              I don't claim to be superior to anyone. I just have a set of skills you don't have and I'm trying my best to try to help guys who want to be helped. A lot of guys still are slaves to their conditionings about sex, therefore they hate on players, trying to make up for their own mental defficiency. They can't go around it, either, because their ego is holding them down, saying "yo man, I don't need no stinking help, I can manage on my own". Great, this is a free country - if you want help, get it. If not, well, that's just too bad.

              I like being bold sometimes. It's just amusing how such trivial thing as saying I'm a player can cause so much controversy. I mean if you didn't care, you wouldn't bug me about it every thread, would you? I mean, if you're getting plenty of pussy, why worry about another alpha male on the other side of USA getting his? ****, alpha males are pretty chill for the most part, they realize other people deserve their place under the sun sometimes they praise them, instead of trying to critisize to make their dick feel bigger.

              I could talk about this on and on, but the problem is that your beliefs are preventing you from seeing my perspective. You believe that by me trying to help guys that need help is braggin that I'm a player. Yeah, I'm really strifing for madz respect on da interweb, dawg. I just enjoy defending my point of view, even though to you it appears as qualifying myself to you and others. That's just not the case. I just enjoy disproving people that I think are very limited in their thinking and not very bright.

              You aren't dumb yourself, only if you could rid yourself of your limiting beliefs and realize that just beacause I advocate player ways, doesn't mean I'm braggin in any way, shape or form. It's just your own perception of things.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tyler:
                </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ka50:
                </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ian:
                If you need something like that to tell you about women, you are an idiot.

                I 'learned' the ways myself, through trial and error.


                Thanks tho Freud. Im good.
                The only one who's idiot is the one who doesn't learn from mistakes of others before making his own.

                Philosophy 101.
                </font>[/QUOTE]why dont you write the book then.. "getting Laid for dummies.. A life long story, by Ka50"
                </font>[/QUOTE]One day I might. Not now though. I'm not the best out there. There are guys there that you will simply NOT BELIVE how easy it is for them to pull what you would call 10's. These guys pull strippers, pull celebrities. And they don't drive lambos or anything. They simply work on their inner game. They learn this field, it's like a hobby. You have to BE a player, not pretend to be one. It has to be your life, it has to revolve around you to be better with women and bring them and you incredible pleasure on this planet earth. I don't know how to explain this to you.

                Writing a book... well, I could write some piece of **** book, but the truth is, most guys don't even need any books. All they need is just general outline and some principles to supercharge their success with women. I just enjoy studying it in-depth so that I have more profound understanding. It's like a hobby.

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                • #9
                  grig your bring me many laughs at Ka50s expense..... i would like to say thank you.

                  [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

                  Ka50 i think its time to retire your internet playaz club card.

                  current car- 95 Trans am- bolt ons, parked and collecting dust. why? because **** it

                  Follow me!
                  http://www.twitch.tv/optimusprymrib
                  Or this

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vanbibber:
                    grig your bring me many laughs at Ka50s expense..... i would like to say thank you.

                    [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

                    Ka50 i think its time to retire your internet playaz club card.
                    Well, at least rasputin is about 100 times smarter than you come off to be.

                    Stupid people never cease to amaze me.

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                    • #11
                      Im not even reading all of that - I got to the 3rd line and realized the fundamental flaw with you.

                      You think social skills are in fact "skills" that can be learned or somehow unnaturally acquired. They fundamentally are not. Social skills are a result of both nature and nuture, and once you hit a certain age (post adolescence, like 17-18) you just cant really do much to become more socially skillful. If at a young age (like 15 or younger) you realized you were naturally introverted and tried to do something about it then maybe you could change. But all this "born again" **** youre pulling is just covering up your real personality or you actually had social skills to begin with... which is doubtful b/c of YOUR ego creating opinions of your way is the only way to "be a player". Being a player is "a way of life" according to you - if you have to keep thinking about if what youre doing is "being a player" you dont have the social skills you think you have.
                      Ok I havent completed this thought but Im done considering it b/c I just glanced at the rest of the stuff you said and you're making the claim that "I [ka50] just have a set of skills you [me] don't have"

                      Now thats just patently untrue. I just dont brag about my success in job interviews, my success with women, or my success in impressing my boss/professors/influential people. These are all indicators of good social skills - but everyone around me has them, so I dont talk about it and notice those with it... instead I notice those without it... and you are one of those without those traits, or at least if you DO ACT like you have them off this board, thats all it is - an act.

                      I'd try ot teach you how to be more secure w/ your social skills - but I really dont know how to explain it.

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                      • #12
                        I think this whole argument is over symantics...

                        I consider anyone who labels themself a player to, by the mere fact he claims to be one, be not a player. I consider these people fake and people I wouldnt chill with.

                        You consider anyone who is able to reliably get girls they like, to be a player. I consider someone who is reliably able to get girls whom they like, to be determined, charismatic, tactful, extroverted, and fun to chill with. I dont want to be around people who ***** about not ever getting girls and I dont like being around people who brag about getting girls.

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                        • #13
                          Well, okay, what makes you believe I'm introverted, anti-social, etc?

                          I never claimed to be. And yes, it is skill. If you cannot do something in life - you need a new skill. Try looking into a field called NLP (Neuro-linguistic programing). It's based on modeling people that are good at what they do. Then creating a model to adpot for another people to use. Essentially, all you do has a definite process in your head. Pictures, sounds, believes, frames, presuppositions, sub-modalities and sequencing. That's called strategy. If you know exactly what the other person is doing in their head, you can achieve the same thing, then practice to become natural with it and eventually become congruent.

                          There are 4 steps to learning:
                          1) Unconsious incompetence - that means you don't know what you don't know.
                          2) Conscious incompetence - that means you know you don't know how to do something, but want to do it, so you're making effort at this point
                          3) Conscoius competence - that means you know what you're doing, but you still have to think about it.
                          4) Unconnscious competence - you don't think about what you're doing consiously. You just do it.

                          Each skill in life (yes, even social, bonding, vibing) are all CAN be learned. It doesn't mean that they WILL be learned.

                          True, majority of guys have women and maybe can get one here and there.

                          I'm not like the regular guys. I like women in general. I always want to know ways how I can be successful with them. I always want to know how I can bring as much pleasure as I can into their and my life.

                          It's like this: guys who aren't players are toyota corollas. Guys who are players are high perfomance ferraries. You don't need a ferrari. But some people like having it and maxing it out once in a while.
                          Same here: some guys don't care much about women. It's aight. Some guys love women and want to be able to be the best man she's ever had. It's just that simple.

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                          • #14
                            you must be amazed everytime you look in a mirror then. Right? [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img] grigory may be smarter than me but at least i can accept that. im not the one that tries to outwit and outsmart him constantly like you do. :rolleyes: why not just face the facts and be honest to at least yourself? youre not a player, youre just a gimp that thinks you are one. on top of that you probably have the people skills that god gave a rock. the fact that you have to read online ways to get a$$ means that you are Pathetic. and then you post it here like someone gives a F***. nobody cares about your 10 steps to getting an STD. your just another tool in the shed. [img]graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img]

                            current car- 95 Trans am- bolt ons, parked and collecting dust. why? because **** it

                            Follow me!
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                            • #15
                              No lets put it like this... those that claim to be "players" are sweet 'n low - maybe they get girls whatever thats fine, but its not natural... yea maybe sweet n low sweetens your coke, but its unnatural and just isnt the same.

                              I dont drink Diet Coke.

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