Bush has a sense of humor?!?

[Snuffalofogus]

Originally posted by phoenix64:
Lets see here, what other "leaders" have invaded other countrys under the pretense that it made their country safer? Hitler, Stalin, and in modern times the Isralies, and look how great it turned out for them. They have suicide attacks every single day. At least Hitler, Stalin and the Isralies have the excuse of creating a buffer zone. We just did it under completly false curcumstances, and bush still wont admit it.

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where did you get your education?
A: Hitler. Did not go to war because he thought it would make his country safer. he went to war because he needed to bring his economy out of a horrible depression, and he has global domination on his mind.

B: Stalin. Which country did stalin invade? (seriously, im not sure on this one)

C: The isrealies DID go to war to protect themselves. Egypt had set up a blocade along the red sea thus killing isreals economy. egypt also had numerous tank divisions stationed in the sinai pennensula ready to invade isreal, just as most of the other arab states were gearing up to do.

the numerous car bombs in isreal arnt due to the fact that isreal beat the ever loving **** out of the arab nations in several wars, but because they are jews, plain and simple.

the same **** has been going on for the past 2000 years. they dont like each other, fact.

but yeah, your right, all those istances were the same as a WAR ON TERROR. we were attacked, we went after countries that harbored terrorist, and/or support terrorist, in which IRAQ was one of those countries.



And Mustangeater, your absolutly right we have the best healthcare in the world, but we only offer it to the insanely rich. As a whole from the poorest of the poor to the richest of the rich on average we are lacking. [/QUOTE]

really, isanely rich eh? my family is middle class, and we get damn good healthcare.

would your solution be that we give everyone in america, rich/poor/ illegal aliens the same level of health care?

communism......anyone?

[MustangEater8251]

Originally posted by GrigoryRasputin:
I would love for everyone to take Macro and Micro and then get back to me about how tax cuts affect the economy and all these other claims that are made. Every econ text book Ive seen refute what Mustang Eater and theRick are saying.

so... care to elaborate a little more. Instead of just saying really fancy "I think you are wrong"

[HAZ-Matt]

Couple points I would like to make.

1. The United States has the best healthcare personelle (physicians, nurses, etc)

2. There is a substantial amount of healthcare costs tied up in bureaucracy that could be eliminated, a smaller amount when physicians have to practice "legalistic/defensive" medicine, and a very tiny amount because of "shotgun" medicine [img]smile.gif[/img] Then there is the fact that diagnostic tools such as Spiral CT, MRI, or PET cost extreme amounts of money to buy and operate.

3. Trickle down economics doesn't work. Even George HW Bush knew this. That is why he called it "Voodoo Economics."

4. Bush Jr is not a true conservative in really any way that actually matters.

5. Drug costs are high in this country because of a multitude of reasons. Mostly because the pharmaceutical companies are a cartel, but also because the United States is one of the few areas where they can recoup their R&D money and also make a profit.

[ October 14, 2004, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: HAZ-Matt ]

[Christian]

Originally posted by memphis_raines:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Snuffalofogus:
98% of all statistics are made up.

who gives a **** about what other countires think about us? newsflash, europeans have always despised americans. Why? because we have a better standard of living here.

an anology one can use. why do people hate the lakers (or any winning sports team for that manner). one answer. jeolousy.

do you think that if a poll was taken in america about france's prime minister, and the overwhelming thought was that all americans hate frances prime minister, that france would change their goddamn prime minister because of what another country thinks? hell no! so why should we, americans, give two ****s about what france, or any other country thinks about us.

what i love is how countries always critisize america for being the "world police" yet when a natural disaster, or a genocide takes place the first country everyone looks to is america.

damned if you do, damned if you dont.

same thing with dubya. no matter what he does theres always gonna be sheep saying he did it wrong

Sheep my a$$. You can't even begin to compare Bush to France's prime minister. Do you see the f*cking prime minister invading Iraq so his family can make money off inflated oil prices?

And if we shouldn't give two sh*ts about what other countries think about us, why is Bush giving them all our f*ckin' money? If Bush is so damn great, why has he sent millions (if not billions) to Iraq after going over there and blowing some sh*t up? What's the point in blowing all that sh*t up if you're gonna hand them our money to rebuild it? The word for today, ladies and germs, is....PUSSY! [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Amen to that!

[majeskyb]

I love my health care. It's about $17 for both my wife and me. If what I need is on base, it's free, including prescriptions and medicine. If I need to go off base, prescription fills cost $9, and there usually isn't a co-pay to see anyone. If I have an emergency, all I have to do is call Tricare within 24 hours, and I have no obligations. But, then again, I'm in the military.

[chas]

Originally posted by whiteshark:
[QB] When 71% of the next largest superpower (the EU) /QB]

actually i think i would rank china as number two. the eu is a distant third. we will never convince china that democracy is wonderful.

[shock_core]

I wasn't aware that the Federal Government was allowed to be funny...

[RallyRed 98]

Originally posted by Snuffalofogus:
98% of all statistics are made up.

who gives a **** about what other countires think about us? newsflash, europeans have always despised americans. Why? because we have a better standard of living here.

sorry man, that's plain wrong. denmark, sweden, finland, iceland, norway, canada, australia, and japan are currently living "better" than us.

an anology one can use. why do people hate the lakers (or any winning sports team for that manner). one answer. jeolousy.

worst.
oversimplification.
ever.

do you think that if a poll was taken in america about france's prime minister, and the overwhelming thought was that all americans hate frances prime minister, that france would change their goddamn prime minister because of what another country thinks? hell no! so why should we, americans, give two ****s about what france, or any other country thinks about us.

a fox news poll last year revealed that something like 70% of participants weren't even aware of who france's prime minister is.

what i love is how countries always critisize america for being the "world police" yet when a natural disaster, or a genocide takes place the first country everyone looks to is america.

cuba routinely sends more medical aid than the U.S., and actually tops the world in terms of aid per capita.

besides, i thought conservative types were against spending?

damned if you do, damned if you dont.

same thing with dubya. no matter what he does theres always gonna be sheep saying he did it wrong

i will actually sort of agree on that assessment, but there is no need to characterize anybody who disagrees with what happened, or what's happening now, as a "sheep."

apparently there was no "exit" strategy.

this war was planned years prior to september 11th, before the PNAC even knew who their candidate was going to be. along came george w. bush and a world crisis... combine, simmer at medium heat, and we have the "war on terror."

wars against ideas haven't worked yet.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by memphis_raines:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Snuffalofogus:
98% of all statistics are made up.

who gives a **** about what other countires think about us? newsflash, europeans have always despised americans. Why? because we have a better standard of living here.

an anology one can use. why do people hate the lakers (or any winning sports team for that manner). one answer. jeolousy.

do you think that if a poll was taken in america about france's prime minister, and the overwhelming thought was that all americans hate frances prime minister, that france would change their goddamn prime minister because of what another country thinks? hell no! so why should we, americans, give two ****s about what france, or any other country thinks about us.

what i love is how countries always critisize america for being the "world police" yet when a natural disaster, or a genocide takes place the first country everyone looks to is america.

damned if you do, damned if you dont.

same thing with dubya. no matter what he does theres always gonna be sheep saying he did it wrong

Sheep my a$$. You can't even begin to compare Bush to France's prime minister. Do you see the f*cking prime minister invading Iraq so his family can make money off inflated oil prices?

And if we shouldn't give two sh*ts about what other countries think about us, why is Bush giving them all our f*ckin' money? If Bush is so damn great, why has he sent millions (if not billions) to Iraq after going over there and blowing some sh*t up? What's the point in blowing all that sh*t up if you're gonna hand them our money to rebuild it? The word for today, ladies and germs, is....PUSSY! [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Are you serious? Why rebuild a country we just destroyed? Easy, an Iraq/America alliance would be amazing. Iraq has what we need... oil and lots of it. More importantly, innocent people aren't being gased by their own leader to test it out.

Honestly give up the whole Bush invaded Iraq to make money theory. Try and prove it. Until then let it rest. You have no idea what so ever if its true.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by Denis:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
Bingo. No one likes us. But who gives a ****? Even are allies probably despise us. It's human nature to be envy of others. No matter who the superpower is they are going to encounter the same **** we do.

I think that folks are more apt to like someone who is kind, thoughtful, compassionate, and generous instead of obnoxious, obstinate, selfish, and bullying. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm right with you. I 100% agree with you that people should be kind, thoughtful, compassionate, and generous. It doesn't work that way though. Head over to Iran or pre liberated Iraq and preach the world of being nice compassionate, and generous. I bet you don't get 3 words out until you hit the ground.

[memphis_raines]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by memphis_raines:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Snuffalofogus:
98% of all statistics are made up.

who gives a **** about what other countires think about us? newsflash, europeans have always despised americans. Why? because we have a better standard of living here.

an anology one can use. why do people hate the lakers (or any winning sports team for that manner). one answer. jeolousy.

do you think that if a poll was taken in america about france's prime minister, and the overwhelming thought was that all americans hate frances prime minister, that france would change their goddamn prime minister because of what another country thinks? hell no! so why should we, americans, give two ****s about what france, or any other country thinks about us.

what i love is how countries always critisize america for being the "world police" yet when a natural disaster, or a genocide takes place the first country everyone looks to is america.

damned if you do, damned if you dont.

same thing with dubya. no matter what he does theres always gonna be sheep saying he did it wrong

Sheep my a$$. You can't even begin to compare Bush to France's prime minister. Do you see the f*cking prime minister invading Iraq so his family can make money off inflated oil prices?

And if we shouldn't give two sh*ts about what other countries think about us, why is Bush giving them all our f*ckin' money? If Bush is so damn great, why has he sent millions (if not billions) to Iraq after going over there and blowing some sh*t up? What's the point in blowing all that sh*t up if you're gonna hand them our money to rebuild it? The word for today, ladies and germs, is....PUSSY! </font>[/QUOTE]Are you serious? Why rebuild a country we just destroyed? Easy, an Iraq/America alliance would be amazing. Iraq has what we need... oil and lots of it. More importantly, innocent people aren't being gased by their own leader to test it out.

Honestly give up the whole Bush invaded Iraq to make money theory. Try and prove it. Until then let it rest. You have no idea what so ever if its true. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]You have no idea whatsoever that it isn't either. I see some pretty supportive evidence. For one, his father did the same exact sh*t. And two, isn't it funny anytime there's a Bush in office, something goes on with oil? I mean, even down in Florida, the supply of gas was cut off like 4 or 5 days before the hurricane even got there, which created a HUGE demand for gas, thus inflating prices. You can bet your a$$ anytime a Bush is in a political office of any kind, gas prices are gonna go up. They have too much personal involvement with oil to leave it alone.

Now are you STILL that stupid and naive?

[whiteshark]

Originally posted by chas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by whiteshark:
[QB] When 71% of the next largest superpower (the EU) /QB]

actually i think i would rank china as number two. the eu is a distant third. we will never convince china that democracy is wonderful. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah, you're probably right, I questioned after I wrote it. EU is at least third though, but if the keep recruiting countries like the have they'll probably be #2 soon.

[Snuffalofogus]

Originally posted by memphis_raines:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by memphis_raines:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Snuffalofogus:
98% of all statistics are made up.

who gives a **** about what other countires think about us? newsflash, europeans have always despised americans. Why? because we have a better standard of living here.

an anology one can use. why do people hate the lakers (or any winning sports team for that manner). one answer. jeolousy.

do you think that if a poll was taken in america about france's prime minister, and the overwhelming thought was that all americans hate frances prime minister, that france would change their goddamn prime minister because of what another country thinks? hell no! so why should we, americans, give two ****s about what france, or any other country thinks about us.

what i love is how countries always critisize america for being the "world police" yet when a natural disaster, or a genocide takes place the first country everyone looks to is america.

damned if you do, damned if you dont.

same thing with dubya. no matter what he does theres always gonna be sheep saying he did it wrong

Sheep my a$$. You can't even begin to compare Bush to France's prime minister. Do you see the f*cking prime minister invading Iraq so his family can make money off inflated oil prices?

And if we shouldn't give two sh*ts about what other countries think about us, why is Bush giving them all our f*ckin' money? If Bush is so damn great, why has he sent millions (if not billions) to Iraq after going over there and blowing some sh*t up? What's the point in blowing all that sh*t up if you're gonna hand them our money to rebuild it? The word for today, ladies and germs, is....PUSSY! </font>[/QUOTE]Are you serious? Why rebuild a country we just destroyed? Easy, an Iraq/America alliance would be amazing. Iraq has what we need... oil and lots of it. More importantly, innocent people aren't being gased by their own leader to test it out.

Honestly give up the whole Bush invaded Iraq to make money theory. Try and prove it. Until then let it rest. You have no idea what so ever if its true. </font>[/QUOTE]You have no idea whatsoever that it isn't either. I see some pretty supportive evidence. For one, his father did the same exact sh*t. And two, isn't it funny anytime there's a Bush in office, something goes on with oil? I mean, even down in Florida, the supply of gas was cut off like 4 or 5 days before the hurricane even got there, which created a HUGE demand for gas, thus inflating prices. You can bet your a$$ anytime a Bush is in a political office of any kind, gas prices are gonna go up. They have too much personal involvement with oil to leave it alone.

Now are you STILL that stupid and naive? [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]your right, bush caused all those hurricanes in florida.


you never answered my question.

would you like Saddam back in power, yes or no.
just give me an answer and ill shut up for awhile

[Snuffalofogus]

god thats a lot of code to go through.

sorry man, that's plain wrong. denmark, sweden, finland, iceland, norway, canada, australia, and japan are currently living "better" than us.

got any stats? last time i checked there werent hordes of people trying to immigrate to such countries

worst.
oversimplification.
ever.

yea, your right on that one :D

a fox news poll last year revealed that something like 70% of participants weren't even aware of who france's prime minister is.

off the top of my head, isnt it jauqes charaque?

cuba routinely sends more medical aid than the U.S., and actually tops the world in terms of aid per capita.

i did not know that

i will actually sort of agree on that assessment, but there is no need to characterize anybody who disagrees with what happened, or what's happening now, as a "sheep."

i used sheep, cause one of the previous posters sounds like he just finished watching Farenhieght 911, and took everything word for word.

wars against ideas haven't worked yet

there was a picture ive seen, and i hope i can dig it up soon, but anywho it said "Except for slavery, communism, nazism, and facism war never solved anything.

[phoenix64]

I wish saddam was still in power. If the people want a revolution, its the peoples responsibility. You can't force freedom upon people, and if Saddam was such a bad guy why did bush have to lie to the American people about why we were going in?

About the land grab go read a history book. East germany, poland huge chunks of china, and a whole bunch of small eastern countrys were swallowed up by USSR at the end of WWII.

The first country hitler invaded, The US, and all of europe allowed him to invade because he said he needed a "buffer" zone between himself and poland I beleive it was. Brilliant idea isin't it? The point is that he said he was making his country safer, just like bush says we are safer. But like you said hitler's real intention wasn't to make his country safer. What do you think bush's real intentions are?

[ October 15, 2004, 02:20 AM: Message edited by: phoenix64 ]