Bush has a sense of humor?!?

[phoenix64]

Who needs the tax cut more Stefan and Jenn or Haliburton? Hmmm......
At least the money for the blower would go back into the american economy.

[Th3 RiCk]

I wrote a research paper on Medicare last year. Here is a disturbing fact. In a recent study conducted by Harvard, Americans spent $294.3 billion in 1999 on bureaucracy costs, which is an average of $1,059 per capita spent on healthcare administration. In Canada however, they spent less than one third that of the United States.
Money isn't being used correctly. IMO and this is only my opinion, enough money is there. It's just not being used right.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by phoenix64:
Who needs the tax cut more Stefan and Jenn or Haliburton? Hmmm......
At least the money for the blower would go back into the american economy.

Ok, what makes the world go round? The huge publicly trading companies that invest millions and create jobs. Or Stefan, you, me, and everyone else who only has a job that keeps us from sleeping in a box because of the big companies who spend millions and keep 101,000 from lining up at the soup kitchen.

[ October 14, 2004, 02:36 AM: Message edited by: Th3 RiCk ]

[MrCoffee]

Bush has always had a sense of humor... I mean you have to in a situation like this! Kerry's a joke, HaHaHaHaHaHaHa. see its funny!

but on a serious note. kerry was picked to run so that he'd loose and hilary wouldnt have to run against bush. because we know she's running next election. it'll be two fresh candidates. hillary vs whoever the GOP names.

bush has laughed and snickered at some of the questions he'd been asked and some of the comments kerry has said.

[phoenix64]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by phoenix64:
Who needs the tax cut more Stefan and Jenn or Haliburton? Hmmm......
At least the money for the blower would go back into the american economy.

Ok, what makes the world go round? The huge publicly trading companies that invest millions and create jobs, or Stefan; you; me; and everyone else who only has a job that keeps us from sleeping in a box because of the big companies who spend millions. </font>[/QUOTE]Excelent point, because it is you, me and all the little people that make the world go round. If we don't have any money to spare the big corporations don't have any profits to make and they colapse.
Give 20 million dollars to the middle class, and damn near every cent will go back into OUR economy.
Give it to the big corporations out there and it ends up in some 3rd world country. Or in some executives pockets.

[GrigoryRasputin]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
I wrote a research paper on Medicare last year. Here is a disturbing fact. In a recent study conducted by Harvard, Americans spent $294.3 billion in 1999 on bureaucracy costs, which is an average of $1,059 per capita spent on healthcare administration. In Canada however, they spent less than one third that of the United States.
Money isn't being used correctly. IMO and this is only my opinion, enough money is there. It's just not being used right.

Too bad you left the UK out of your analysis.

[GrigoryRasputin]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by phoenix64:
Who needs the tax cut more Stefan and Jenn or Haliburton? Hmmm......
At least the money for the blower would go back into the american economy.

Ok, what makes the world go round? The huge publicly trading companies that invest millions and create jobs. Or Stefan, you, me, and everyone else who only has a job that keeps us from sleeping in a box because of the big companies who spend millions and keep 101,000 from lining up at the soup kitchen. </font>[/QUOTE]Trickle down doesnt work, sorry you didnt get the memo.

The world goes round b/c of the working class - they are the cogs in the wheel.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by phoenix64:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by phoenix64:
Who needs the tax cut more Stefan and Jenn or Haliburton? Hmmm......
At least the money for the blower would go back into the american economy.

Ok, what makes the world go round? The huge publicly trading companies that invest millions and create jobs, or Stefan; you; me; and everyone else who only has a job that keeps us from sleeping in a box because of the big companies who spend millions. </font>[/QUOTE]Excelent point, because it is you, me and all the little people that make the world go round. If we don't have any money to spare the big corporations don't have any profits to make and they colapse.
Give 20 million dollars to the middle class, and damn near every cent will go back into OUR economy.
Give it to the big corporations out there and it ends up in some 3rd world country. Or in some executives pockets. </font>[/QUOTE]Without the big companies people have no money because no one has a job, unless you work for mom and pop at the diner. Without the people spending money there are no big companies because there are no buyers. Either way we both lose that arguement.

I said it before in a thread. Giving a tax break to John who makes 20k a year isn't going to better off the economy. Will he invest any money into the bearish market to help it rise? No. Will taxing the hell out of the wealthy and big companies better the economy? No, they have less to invest. If they invest more then the better off the economy is and the better off the economy is the better off Johnny is. But in reality who knows where the big companies will spend their money.

[GrigoryRasputin]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by phoenix64:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by phoenix64:
Who needs the tax cut more Stefan and Jenn or Haliburton? Hmmm......
At least the money for the blower would go back into the american economy.

Ok, what makes the world go round? The huge publicly trading companies that invest millions and create jobs, or Stefan; you; me; and everyone else who only has a job that keeps us from sleeping in a box because of the big companies who spend millions. </font>[/QUOTE]Excelent point, because it is you, me and all the little people that make the world go round. If we don't have any money to spare the big corporations don't have any profits to make and they colapse.
Give 20 million dollars to the middle class, and damn near every cent will go back into OUR economy.
Give it to the big corporations out there and it ends up in some 3rd world country. Or in some executives pockets. </font>[/QUOTE]Without the big companies people have no money because no one has a job, unless you work for mom and pop at the diner. Without the people spending money there are no big companies because there are no buyers. Either way we both lose that arguement.

I said it before in a thread. Giving a tax break to John who makes 20k a year isn't going to better off the economy. Will he invest any money into the bearish market to help it rise? No. Will taxing the hell out of the wealthy and big companies better the economy? No, they have less to invest. If they invest more then the better off the economy is and the better off the economy is the better off Johnny is. But in reality who knows where the big companies will spend their money. </font>[/QUOTE]Go ahead and take an economics class or 2.

[phoenix64]

I have yet to meet an econ teacher who didn't laugh at the idea of trickle down economics.

Your missing the point, huge corporations don't re-invest that money in the US economy. Especialy when the tax codes give them even more breaks for outsourcing.

John who makes 20k a year will spend the money he gets back at mom and pops dinner or getting his car fixed, or buying a new car, putting the money back into OUR economy.

[Antman]

Well, thankfully I don't have a say in this (Being a Brit living in the UK), but I wouldn't vote fore either of them!

Mind you, it's gonna be elections over here early next year, and once again I will be voting to get rid of Blair!

He sucks!

[MustangEater8251]

Originally posted by phoenix64:
I coudn't beleive it tonight when Bush said "our health care system is the envy of the world."

What really bothers me though is not that he said it, but that millions of people will beleive it.

Kerry is right about "Integrity" if either canidate had it, they would win by a landslide.

No offense by why isn't it? I guess your right most people fly to China and Russia for surgeries. No the worlds wealthy fly to the US for major surgeries and treatments.

funding, and costs for it are definitely not perfect but as the world goes we are one of the top countries.


And Stefan, I am actually a little surprised you hate bush so much.

sure giving the top rich people a tax break seems like he is only helping his buddies. But the top 10% of the money class control nearly half the money in the US. YOu give them a tax break they have more money. What do rich people do that the average american DOES NOT do. They invest the money, by a good half the money in the economy being invested more and more, and lower interest rates and such.(look at the statistics of what percentage the rich invest compared to the average person) Companies do better, when copanies do better, they pay their employees better, when employees(you and me) get paid better we have more money, and we turn around and buy stuff which stimulates the economy even more.


Its not a tax break the rich so they can become more financially sound. Its give a tax break and lower insurance rates so the rich, invest there big bucks .


As for thinking we should have health care paid for and you are complaing about taxes!?&gt;!?!?!?! Sweden, Switzterland, etc. have full healthcare paid? Most countries pay WAAAY more taxes, in fact I think Sweden specifically was higher, like their tax bracket was something like 50%!!! I'm sure the US citizens wanna raise taxes 25-15%(depending on your bracket)


I sort of like a private healthcare system, its the american way, that way everyone competes, to make a newere better product, and when that happens, america wins, because we get the better product at a better price.


HONESTLY people, I was hardcore, anti-bush, but when you elect the president, don't just look directly at "WE ATTACKED IRAQ AND NO WMD!!!" LEt that be an MAJOR part of your descision, but don't base your descision on president over 1 issue. Look at everything else. And make a descision. I was anti-bush and I am leaning towards bush.

I notice alot of Kerry supporters say 2 main things abotu bush, we should not have gone into Iraq, and he can't speak well. There is more to the running a country then just that.

[MustangEater8251]

By the way people, don't fall into the "IN BUSH ADMINISTRATION BLAH BLAH JOBS WERE LOST, AND WE HAD A SURPLUS NOW DEFICIT"

Look at what happened, the economy moves in cycles, it goes up and falls, but overall the economy is always in a better state. During Clinton's term it rised alot for 8 years, to unprecidented levels, which means we were gonna be hit HARD by a recession. That recession had already started 6 months before Bush was president, anyone that was president would have had this problem, then the Enron Scandel, hurt the economy alot, and even worse September 11th, how many airlines almost went bankrupt, when several billion dollar companies, go belly up, the economy is SEVERELY affected. And to tell you the truth I think the current administration did a decent job keeping our economy going. Sure, we have a deficit, and huge loss of jobs, but what president has ever been faced with nearly as many things to affect the economy then we have in recent years?


I didn't vote for bush, 4 years ago, and recently after researching and watching the debates I am leaning more and more towards Bush now. But I still keep an open mind and watch and read what Kerry says.

I just think Bush is a better canidate, and Kerry just to me seems like the kind of guy that when running for class president says "If I am class president, I will get rid of homework" which of course everyone is going to love but in the end its not the right thing to do.

[chas]

from the second debate, "would you like to buy some lumber?" hilarious.

letting the government spend your money is a bad idea. you really shouldnt let people who have never "worked" a day in their life spend money.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by phoenix64:
I have yet to meet an econ teacher who didn't laugh at the idea of trickle down economics.

Your missing the point, huge corporations don't re-invest that money in the US economy. Especialy when the tax codes give them even more breaks for outsourcing.

John who makes 20k a year will spend the money he gets back at mom and pops dinner or getting his car fixed, or buying a new car, putting the money back into OUR economy.

Problem is the mom and pops dinner is owned by a German family, the car parts are made in Taiwan, and the car was made in Canada. How many people only buy 100% American? So does all the money flow back into our economy? Nope.

If the big companies can invest more then the economy will grow creating more jobs. Without the companies investing there is no economy.