Selling the bird to buy a Mustang GT(pics)

[1998silverbird]

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 99v6cam:
heads cam isn't stock internals. the stock internals record is 11.2 (i think)

Yea, you said all the H/C cars you see are 10s. And if the stock internal record is 11.2 that means te 10 second ls1s are not stock internals.

But if you're sinking that much money into a car, then it doesn't matter if its ford or GM because they're both gonna be just as fast. </font>[/QUOTE]By stock internal he means just bolt on.. No motor work at all.. Here is a thread in the 11 second section of LS1tech that I guess you missed.. even though it was on the 1st page..

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464242
The car has stock heads, stock, cam, with full bolt on running a 11.6... He is probably making 350-370rwhp.. Then 3 posts down is a guy who ran a 11.9 with 342rwhp!! Show me a bolt on 4.6 mustang GT that runs 11's?? you cant.. Hell show me a bolt on 4.6 that runs mid 12's!! Its very hard to find..

[ March 09, 2006, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: 1998silverbird ]

[1998silverbird]

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 99v6cam:
Every heads cam LS1 I've seen was at least in 10s. Unless you're talking about the 4v please don't compare the 4.6 to the LS1. I'm not saying the 4.6 isn't a good motor, I'm just saying the LS1 is better. I think most LS1 owners are douchebags because of this fact but you have to admit it. Another comparison could be the 5.4 and the LS7, and it would end the same way.

Dude, there is no way a H/C only car is hitting 10s man. It would to have to be FI or Nitrous. MAYBE a super extreme weight reduction without nitrous or FI. Isn't the NA record like 11.2?

Can an LS1 even get into the 10s with stock internals? </font>[/QUOTE]the 11.2 is the record for stock heads and cam car with just bolt ons and weight reduction.. It is pretty easy to get a LS1 into the tens on motor!! Just need the right heads and cam setup, a good tune and a nice stall or can drive the hell out of the car..

[1998silverbird]

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1998silverbird:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1998silverbird:
How much money do you need to spend to get a 4.6 Mustang into the 11's??

Probably about ~10k. 5k for the Kenne Bell kit, and another 5k for internals and supporting mods.

You LS1 owners are all the same. LS1s are great motors, but damn man. It's not the only motor that can be made fast. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]wait a second.. you mean to tell me that you need to spend 10k on your car for it to run 11's?? That with you spraying to 400rwhp your car cant break into the 11's?? A heads and cam LS1 making 380 rwhp can run 11's.. How come you car making 400rwhp and weighing what did you say 300lbs less then a LS1 not run 11's?? You dont sound to confident in your car.. If you were then you probably would have said that it would take 500.00 for a N20 kit to run 11's!! </font>[/QUOTE]380HP and run 11s [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] if they run ~13.0 with a good driver at 350RWHP, how the f*ck can 30 more RWHP drop them a whole second in the 1/4? [img]graemlins/stickpoke.gif[/img]

Are you sure you're not thinking 12's?? I was looking at LS1tech's 11second forum. Most of the people there running 11's NA are bolt ons with H/C and a sh*tload of weight reduction. </font>[/QUOTE]I guess you are blind.. Here is a thread in the 11 second forum on LS1tech that asks how many 11 second BOLT ON ONLY cars are on the board.. http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451108
The one dude got ther with a 11.9@111 with 2.73 rear end gears!!

And since you know so much about F-bodies how come a stock LS1 can go 12's.. GMHT took a 02 SS stock to englishtown when MM&FF was checking out the Bullit.. The SS put down 320rwhp and ran a best of 12.89@109 that day bone stock down to the filter.. the Bullit ran a 13.9 I think.. So you have seen cars with 350rwhp go 13.0!! That means 1 thing.. they cant drive!!

[ March 09, 2006, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: 1998silverbird ]

[blacksport]

Ha, key word, feels like its your firebird on a 100 shot. Key word there feels.

[1998silverbird]

Originally posted by blacksport:
Ha, key word, feels like its your firebird on a 100 shot. Key word there feels.

I dont get it!!

[1998silverbird]

Here is a thread about the fastst bolt on 2v over on modular depot!!http://forums.modulardepot.com/showt...astest+bolt+on

12.1@109 is the fastest but thats with a aftermarket intake!!

[KBeezy]

Who said it had to be a 2v mod motor?


Also, since when did racing say "Well, you have a blower. Sorry." ???

You ask me its run what you brung. And if you're going to ***** that the 03 Cobra has a blower I'm going to ***** the LS1 has 1.1 liters of extra displacement....

[1998silverbird]

Originally posted by KBeezy:
Who said it had to be a 2v mod motor?


Also, since when did racing say "Well, you have a blower. Sorry." ???

You ask me its run what you brung. And if you're going to ***** that the 03 Cobra has a blower I'm going to ***** the LS1 has 1.1 liters of extra displacement....

well if you are going to say a LS1 has 1.1 more liters ( actually only 1 liter more the LS1 is a 5.6 liter but you already knew that!!) I am going to say that a cobra has 3 more cams, and 2X's more valves!! We can play these games all night..

[KBeezy]

Exactly. So quit trying to prove the LS1 is the godly motor. Its a ***** of an argument because if you want to talk pushrod motors I don't think you really want to go up against the 302 ;)

[1998silverbird]

Originally posted by KBeezy:
Exactly. So quit trying to prove the LS1 is the godly motor. Its a ***** of an argument because if you want to talk pushrod motors I don't think you really want to go up against the 302 ;)

Bring it on with the 302.. and if you want to talk OHC motors I dont think you want to go up againts a Lotus made LT5!!

[KBeezy]

Oh, and its actually like 5.68 liters, but generally you round up in that situation.

[KBeezy]

Originally posted by 1998silverbird:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KBeezy:
Exactly. So quit trying to prove the LS1 is the godly motor. Its a ***** of an argument because if you want to talk pushrod motors I don't think you really want to go up against the 302 ;)

Bring it on with the 302.. and if you want to talk OHC motors I dont think you want to go up againts a Lotus made LT5!! </font>[/QUOTE]HA, GM didn't even build the LT5 they outsourced that *****.

[1998silverbird]

Originally posted by KBeezy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1998silverbird:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KBeezy:
Exactly. So quit trying to prove the LS1 is the godly motor. Its a ***** of an argument because if you want to talk pushrod motors I don't think you really want to go up against the 302 ;)

Bring it on with the 302.. and if you want to talk OHC motors I dont think you want to go up againts a Lotus made LT5!! </font>[/QUOTE]HA, GM didn't even build the LT5 they outsourced that *****. </font>[/QUOTE]And you think ford built the cobra's 4.6??

The engine was cast by teksid from italy, who works with ferrari's f1's.. and the craks are made in or forged in Gertach Germany!! The only thing ford or SVT did was assemble the motor!! But I guess you knew that too!!

[1998silverbird]

Here goes a little bit of history from the Mustang vrs Camaro wars!! http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/history_mustVScam.htm

[KBeezy]

Cast by Teksid? Yes.
Designed & Built by Ford? Yes.


oh boo hoo, they outsource parts manufacturing.. So does GM --- ever heard of Delphi? GM outsourced the design of the LT5 completely as well as manufacturing of the motor. Hell, even the ecotec is built in Germany. Can you blame em though?