Not Bush...Not Kerry...but rather Badnarik

[PewterBird]

I believe this doesn't violate the "political post warning" because it doesn't involve Bush or Kerry. So keep it that way.

What do people think about Badnarik the Libertarian Canidate.

http://badnarik.org/

A lot of people feel like they are choosing the lesser of two evils. ;) Where does this canidate fall on the hate meter.

[imported_admin]

Why would this violate that rule anyway?

That "rule" (if you can call it that) was just a guideline that specifies that educated debates are fine, mindless flame-fests are not. Major topics that could constitute a flame fest are any of the stupid BS cliche's that both sides are using to throw dirt against the other side: the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" (yeah...), forgery of voter registration cards on either side, mindless posts about the fact that Bush is the first President in history to have a criminal record, the word "flip-flop" anything (both sides are just as ****ing guilty), etc.

The issues at hand are what's important, not one side's skewed version of either candidate's past.

And this thread has none of that so its fine.

[RallyRed 98]

we need the thumbs-up icon for badnarik! i never thought i would find a candidate who was "just right."

[GrigoryRasputin]

I generally like many libertarian policies. However I see their policies on small governmen and little regulation wishful thinking and putting too much trust in human nature. (e.g. corporations would regulate themselves, OSHA/EPA is big government) I think that welfare reform is necessary, but I do not think we should reduce spending - rather we should develop ways to motivate the unemployed or the welfare recipients to get off these social justice programs.

However on the topic of civil liberties as well as government "nosiness" and things along those lines I think they are right on.

There really isnt a party I agree with fully on things - however the things I dont agree with the Dems on are rather small. B/c of my involvement in the party I feel compelled to always vote for them - however I dont know if, in the future, I would necessarily rule out voting Libertarian.

[GrigoryRasputin]

Im sorry, I dont like Barnarik. Many of his policies sound good - but I read his bio and much of his website. If this guy is the best the Libertarian Party can do - no wonder theyre stuck as a 4th party (WELL behind the 'front running' 3rd party the greens/naderites). He is NOT qualified to be the POTUSA. Get someone w/ some credentials - then come back to me.

[PewterBird]

Here are a few favorite quotes.

I have no doubt that members of the anti-gun crowd would be happy to offer statistical data which appears to contradict the numbers I have just mentioned. Even if they could, their alternate statistics are not enough authority to strip me of my inalienable right to keep and bear arms. My rights are non-negotiable. I don't care if someone else doesn't like it. I don't care if they toss and turn at night, anxiously worried about what I might do with my firearm. My rights are not predicated on whether or not you LIKE what I'm doing. You only have a complaint when I present a "clear and present danger", which is not the case if I have my firearm in a holster.

The Drug War does not curb demand, it barely reduces supply, however it makes America much more dangerous and much less free.

[ka50]

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The Drug War does not curb demand, it barely reduces supply, however it makes America much more dangerous and much less free.
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Actually it's not true. If drugs are freely available (simply over the counter), there will be temptation to try them. Drugs like cocaine and heroin are HIGHLY addictive, just like nicotine.

Drugs should stay illegal, simply because they highjack the person's brain and turn the person into drug-using machine.

As for weed... It's a drug, whole lot more powerful than alcohol, even though it might cause a whole lot less physical harm. I'd say we need to see more research about weed, it's harms and it's possible positive effects before it's legalized. I think it's ok to legalize it for medical purposes.

[speedy-v6-camaro]

I prefer to be one of the people who vote for someone who has a chance in hell.

[GrigoryRasputin]

Theres no temptation to try those drugs when theyre illegal.... :rolleyes:

[PewterBird]

Originally posted by speedy-v6-camaro:
I prefer to be one of the people who vote for someone who has a chance in hell.

I antisipated this reply. But you have to think realisticly. It is highly unlikly a Libertarian will win presidency in 04. But maybe we can secure a larger percent of voters, and if we keep it up, we may build some steam and succeed in the future. If you were not going to vote for a third party just because you don't think your vote counts, then don't vote at all, because your vote counts the same either way. 1 vote

Originally posted by ka50:
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The Drug War does not curb demand, it barely reduces supply, however it makes America much more dangerous and much less free.
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Actually it's not true. If drugs are freely available (simply over the counter), there will be temptation to try them. Drugs like cocaine and heroin are HIGHLY addictive, just like nicotine.

Equating a illegal drug to a be, in whole, similiar to a legal drug, doesn't help your argument.

Unless you think we should ban cigarrettes

Originally posted by GrigoryRasputin:
Theres no temptation to try those drugs when theyre illegal.... :rolleyes:

Another good point.

And to further argue, I have been solicted illegal and legal drugs, and I denied them both. People will do drugs whether they are legal or not, lets use our money to make them safe, rather than what sombody shiat out of there *** in a condom, and sold for $50.

[ October 22, 2004, 03:09 AM: Message edited by: PewterBird ]

[ka50]

Originally posted by GrigoryRasputin:
Theres no temptation to try those drugs when theyre illegal.... :rolleyes:

It's still harder to get them when they are illegal, rather than when everytime you go to 7-11 to buy a hotdog you see heroin, cocaine and other drugs on sale.

So, you're having a bad day and you go to 7-11 to buy a candybar... oh **** look... cocaine on sale, I feel bad lemme get some.

You see the trend? I don't believe you're that stupid.

[GrigoryRasputin]

Originally posted by ka50:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GrigoryRasputin:
Theres no temptation to try those drugs when theyre illegal.... :rolleyes:

It's still harder to get them when they are illegal, rather than when everytime you go to 7-11 to buy a hotdog you see heroin, cocaine and other drugs on sale.

So, you're having a bad day and you go to 7-11 to buy a candybar... oh **** look... cocaine on sale, I feel bad lemme get some.

You see the trend? I don't believe you're that stupid. </font>[/QUOTE]I dont believe you think you can reduce something as complex as drug use and the war on drugs to something so simplistic.

[Loochy88]

Originally posted by speedy-v6-camaro:
I prefer to be one of the people who vote for someone who has a chance in hell.

Big green alien from the simpsons says: "HAHA! Go ahead, throw your vote away!"

Come on, someone knows what im talking about!

[ka50]

Originally posted by GrigoryRasputin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ka50:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GrigoryRasputin:
Theres no temptation to try those drugs when theyre illegal.... :rolleyes:

It's still harder to get them when they are illegal, rather than when everytime you go to 7-11 to buy a hotdog you see heroin, cocaine and other drugs on sale.

So, you're having a bad day and you go to 7-11 to buy a candybar... oh **** look... cocaine on sale, I feel bad lemme get some.

You see the trend? I don't believe you're that stupid. </font>[/QUOTE]I dont believe you think you can reduce something as complex as drug use and the war on drugs to something so simplistic. </font>[/QUOTE]I guess you don't know anyone who was hooked on coke... It completely f*ucks up your mind.

and yes, cigs should be illegal. I say this as an ex-smoker who still has temptation to smoke time-to-time. I know if I take another puff, I'll be hooked again.

[GrigoryRasputin]

We should make anything that could harm someone illegal.

As for not knowing anyone who's a coke-head... I suggest you NOT pretend like you know anything about me.