Guy died trying to steal a car across the street

[BLLDOGG]

i feel the need to say that im happy the dude died but the guy that is still alive seems to have no self control and is just worthless himself. let him go to jail for life.

[BLLDOGG]

Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
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tell me about it people have no respect for other people's property now a days. I parked my car at work today up front, I work in a show with a gravel lot in the back for storing car and concrete lot upfront for customers. Well anyways I put my car upfront so I could see if coolant was leaking. Well anyways near closing time some jackass in a pos mercery and his ****ing rugrats park right next to me and just slam their ****ing door into my 3 week old paint job. I ****ing lost it I almost took that kid and smashed their head in. I swear to god if I wasn't on the clock things would have been totaly different. Ho well I know where he lives all I'm gonna say is what goes around comes around.

your a ****ing moron </font>[/QUOTE]no kidding....im only 17 so its alittlw weird saying this but you kids need to grow up :rolleyes:

[shock_core]

1. erm, who said the guy died?

2. Why would you even shoot in the general direction of your gt3

[camaro_speedemon]

Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
ok, for those who obviously dont know the federal rules for "self defence". you can only use a reasonable amount of force to protect yourself or property. the most this guy could have legaly done was physically hit the guy. only time your alowed to use a weapon is if your in imediate and present danger of being killed yourself. if you are ever forced to protect yourself w/ a weapon, SHOOT TO KILL. if you shoot someone who has the abillity to shoot you (only reason you should be shooting in the first place) shooting them in the knee ISNT GOING TO STOP THEM FROM KILLING YOU. dont fire warning shots, nothing... SHOOT TO KILL.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Was the owner even carrying the weapon legally?

its texas :D </font>[/QUOTE]That's not entirely accurate, if you live in a castle doctrine state, you can shoot someone if they are in your home. ;)

[95fbirdkid]

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
ok, for those who obviously dont know the federal rules for "self defence". you can only use a reasonable amount of force to protect yourself or property. the most this guy could have legaly done was physically hit the guy. only time your alowed to use a weapon is if your in imediate and present danger of being killed yourself. if you are ever forced to protect yourself w/ a weapon, SHOOT TO KILL. if you shoot someone who has the abillity to shoot you (only reason you should be shooting in the first place) shooting them in the knee ISNT GOING TO STOP THEM FROM KILLING YOU. dont fire warning shots, nothing... SHOOT TO KILL.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Was the owner even carrying the weapon legally?

its texas :D </font>[/QUOTE]That's not entirely accurate, if you live in a castle doctrine state, you can shoot someone if they are in your home. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]I was actually explaining this to the guys in the chat last night and was going to add that this morning... good catch :D

[chas]

since i doubt there are any witnesses to the incident the shooter merely needs to say "i thought he had a gun. i feared for my life." in virginia, this would be sufficient to open fire. the shooter merely needs to believe the other guy had a gun and there would need to be a reasonable expectation of the other party having a gun.

attempted theft of a car? i think that's an overnight stay in the local jail. maybe less.

[Den69RS96]

I hope the guy who shot the dude trying to steal his car goes to jail. I know he had an expensive car, but a car is something that can be replaced. A life is not. This is a great example of how materialistic people can be where an object is more valuable than a life. Granted the guy was a dirt bad, but I still don't believe he should have been killed.

[3.4 slow to go]

[quote]Originally posted by 3.4 slow to go:

Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
[qb]I was actually explaining this to the guys in the chat last night and was going to add that this morning... good catch :D

actually, I was the one saying it was state to state

[Th3 RiCk]

Ok, let's say he runs up and hits the guy instead of shooting him. Next the guy gets up and beats you to death...

None of us know the facts here, but if I were him then I would have at least threatened to shoot him. If he charged me then he could kiss his *** goodbye.

[firebird4u99]

Originally posted by crasher:
I parked my car at work today up front, I work in a show with a gravel lot in the back for storing car and concrete lot upfront for customers. Well anyways I put my car upfront so I could see if coolant was leaking. Well anyways near closing time some jackass in a pos mercery and his ****ing rugrats park right next to me and just slam their ****ing door into my 3 week old paint job. I ****ing lost it I almost took that kid and smashed their head in. I swear to god if I wasn't on the clock things would have been totaly different. Ho well I know where he lives all I'm gonna say is what goes around comes around.

Yes im sure you would do that considering you would probably die next because the childs parents slammed your head between two doors then tied you to their POS Mercury and drug you all over town. Look man, you don't mess with people's children unless you have a serious death wish. It doesn't matter if it means they go to jail for life they will still kill you no matter what. Ask anybody else on this board and they will tell you the exact same thing. Don't mess with kids I dont care if you own a f***ing Ferrari. [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/stickpoke.gif[/img]

[pontiac nino]

Originally posted by 98Camaro3.8:
What a bunch of bull****. Can't even defend your own personal property anymore. :rolleyes:

Good riddance to the piece of trash he killed.

Amen to that.

[Loochy88]

i didnt read through all the arguing, but i do know that youre allowed to legally defend your property using nondeadly force. clearly this wasnt nondeadly force, the guy is and should be screwed. the guy was scum, but its just a car, not worth a life.

[crazyralph]

The guy probably won't spend any time in jail and he shouldn't. I doubt if the grand jury will even indict him.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/petoc.html

§ 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person
in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is
justified in using force against another when and to the degree the
actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to
prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful
interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible,
movable property by another is justified in using force against the
other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force
is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the
property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit
after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no
claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using
force, threat, or fraud against the actor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.


§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.

[vanbibber]

Originally posted by shock_core:
1. erm, who said the guy died?

read the title of the post brother...

[BirdOfPrey01]

Atempted GTA would have just got him a night in jail I think. I'm glad he shot the sob