Now Pontiac kills the Bonneville

[95fbirdkid]

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] everyone in here is taking how they personally feel about every make and model of car, and passing it off as everyones views.

few things...
1) GTO does follow its heritage, ok mabey it cost more, but the original car was a sedan w/ a big *** engine, it wasnt a hardcore sports car. the new GTO is a sedan w/ a big *** engine.

2) Just b/c the bonneville is a 4dr sedan and is being discontinued, it doesnt meen that all 4dr sedans will fail. The charger will have some balls, just b/c you dont like it doesnt meen it will fall on its face.

[95Batmobile]

Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] everyone in here is taking how they personally feel about every make and model of car, and passing it off as everyones views.

few things...
1) GTO does follow its heritage, ok mabey it cost more, but the original car was a sedan w/ a big *** engine, it wasnt a hardcore sports car. the new GTO is a sedan w/ a big *** engine.

2) Just b/c the bonneville is a 4dr sedan and is being discontinued, it doesnt meen that all 4dr sedans will fail. The charger will have some balls, just b/c you dont like it doesnt meen it will fall on its face.

True, look at the magnum. Personally, the only magnum I would buy fits over my dick, but the car is actually doing pretty well.

[Mogobs30th]

GM did not replace the F-body. This is very bad, since the F-body was not a failure, it was more like slumped sales that had a chance to be revivied.

It had a chance since 1993. All it ever did since the release of 4th gen car was slump sales. When you have a car with a basically non-functional back seat and its counterpart does, not going to be long before it dies. The F-body had a chance for over 5 years before the announcement of its demise.

The GTO does not follow its roots, it does not look like a GTO at all and it is not affordable to younger people like the GTO was back in the 60's.

As I said earlier.....

You want some chrome on it?? You want the damn thing to weight 7 metric tons??? You want 4 miles to the gallon?
Get a f***ing grip.

Cobalt and Saturn ION should have more power/gearing performance and less bullsh*t.

GM continues to produce the Pontiac Vibe and some other weird models that just don't compete with anything. They are essentially useless cars and have no purpose than to get you from point a to point b in an ugly way.

I bet if GM started selling funny cars for $7,000 each, you would buy that. :rolleyes:

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally posted by Mogobs30th:
When you have a car with a basically non-functional back seat and its counterpart does, not going to be long before it dies.

I hope you aren't comparing 98+ F-bodies to 99+ Mustangs here....because the F-body has much more room back there. It's all I can do to wedge myself in the backseat of my girlfriend's '04 GT.

- Justin

[shenanigans]

GM just needs more RWD manual tranny cars, getting tired of FWD autos, or trucks being and option...


and please the vette is not an option.... for the average car buyer.

[camaro_speedemon]

Originally posted by BirdOfPrey01:
It's just about preference and times.

Now a days family men arnt looking for a muscle type of car for the kids and wife. Or a 4 door with balls. Nope, its all about the buying the most homosexual looking vehicle. But that will change more and more everyday as we all do are part in pointing and laughing at the middle aged man driving a honda or 4 door 120 horsepower family cars.

The Good for GM -----------------

GM does good by dropping the f-body, a line from the 60's that hasnt changed majorly at all.

Bonneville sales slump, the car has been redesigned and redesigned and it still a slump. End it.

GM adds some spice to Buick line and drops a few of their uglies.

GM perfects Caddilac to compete with European and Japanese Luxury/Performance Sedans. (Smartest thing GM has done.)

GM's Corvette is stronger than ever.

GM brings back the GTO.

GM starts to take sport compacts as a serious market and repleaces the Cavilier with the Cobalt.

The Bad for GM-------------------

GM did not replace the F-body. This is very bad, since the F-body was not a failure, it was more like slumped sales that had a chance to be revivied.

The GTO does not follow its roots, it does not look like a GTO at all and it is not affordable to younger people like the GTO was back in the 60's.

If it doesnt appeal to the GTO fans, and only wealthy people can buy it. Who will buy this car? The same small population of loser types that bought the Chevy SSR. [img]smile.gif[/img] Good one GM!

Cobalt and Saturn ION should have more power/gearing performance and less bullsh*t.

GM continues to produce the Pontiac Vibe and some other weird models that just don't compete with anything. They are essentially useless cars and have no purpose than to get you from point a to point b in an ugly way.


-------- Now with Dodge
Dodge has the chance to take it all really.

With dodge making Chrysler a very heavy hitter GM is going to need all the Cadillac support they can get from people. Because Chryslers S/C 300M Seriously hits balls to wall performance and power. 425 horsepower to be exact for the SRT-8 Model.

Then you got the neon srt-4 which is making great sales because its a bang for buck.

Why are Dodge trucks so popular? I know why, because in Dodge trucks reside men like my father who are obsessed with one thing.... Mopar.

If Dodge were to release a Charger tommorrow... Well Lets just say there might be an earthquake in my city. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I am suprised Dodge didnt release a Charger sooner because if the "Mopar" popularity. It would be a huge mistake if they canceled it. If they did then that would be equal to the owner basically cutting off one of his balls and throwing it into a lake.

GM basically leaves the muscle/pony car market open. They better do something fast.

Ford has almost you could say "perminent" spot with the Mustang, but not everyone likes them [img]smile.gif[/img]

OK First of the GTO Does follow its heritage, the old GTO looked like a GP, the GTO looks like a GP.

Secondly, I think GM sacrificed performance for quality with the colbot. Something everyone *****es about. Damn, you guys will never be happy.

[12secondv6]

Originally posted by Mogobs30th:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 12secondv6:
GM = CRAP.... yet again!

Then why do you still have the bird??? Sell it, and be done with it.
</font>[/QUOTE]I don't like the current GM products.... to me.... GM = CRAP right now.... and they seem to be progressing farther down the sh*tter

I like my bird..... I was happy with GM back in 97.... now no

[BirdOfPrey01]

If the GTO follows itself, why do none of the GTO fans agree on the new GTO? Kind of hard to sell to a group of people that don't like the car, agreed?

It does not follow its roots.

The GTO back in the 60's was supposed to be a strong performance vehicle for people with less money.

1.) It doesn't even resemble the GTO, the front end, rear end, anything, it looks more like a grand prix and a cavilier that puked on it.

2.) It's very expensive $35,000+ is not something little jack can go out and spend with his job at mcdonalds or walmart.

3.) How does a car that is $10,000+ than the Mustang compete when its performance was not much better and the same in some areas.

It doesn't compete, because yet again its another stupid move by GM just as was the SSR

Ford Lightening - $33,035
Chevy SSR - $41,995

Now the LS2 motor is in it... but does that really help against the Triton V-8 with an Eaton supercharger and water-to-air intercooler making 450 foot pounds of torque?

Also the fact the SSR has horrid style, the bed is damn near non functional who knows what you can load back there, perhaps some picnic baskets.

The supercharged Triton leaves tons of option for easy upgrade, its not hard to get 550+ ft pounds of torque from cheap bolt ons.

I'd hate to say it but GM is driving away their future sales faster than their new model lineup.

3 under 5?

More like 3 out of every 5 old customers will buy a Ford or something else. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I know I will.

I see a trend here... GM releases a performance vehicle, the price range is more, the quality is decent. But Ford outsells them with the Mustang.

I'll tell you why, because the mustang is "Cheaper! Looks awsome, and has great performance."

The F-body would have survived if the sticker price was not $35,000+ brand new at GM dealerships, even the V6 F-bodies where priced at some $28,000+ brand new. I would never buy one for that cost if I had the money.

The Cobalt SS is the same, cost more, less performance. Half azz'd competitiveness by GM yet again.

[ February 11, 2005, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: BirdOfPrey01 ]

[majeskyb]

Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] everyone in here is taking how they personally feel about every make and model of car, and passing it off as everyones views.

few things...
1) GTO does follow its heritage, ok mabey it cost more, but the original car was a sedan w/ a big *** engine, it wasnt a hardcore sports car. the new GTO is a sedan w/ a big *** engine.

2) Just b/c the bonneville is a 4dr sedan and is being discontinued, it doesnt meen that all 4dr sedans will fail. The charger will have some balls, just b/c you dont like it doesnt meen it will fall on its face.

I thought the new GTO was a coupe

But, yes, I am a GM fan. In the next few years, after the Camaro is payed off, and we are shopping for a new car, I seriously will be looking at the GTO, or the new Camaro (if it actually does come out). I think one of the reasons the Bonneville is being killed is the price. One of those costs over $35k, and for that price (or lower), you could pick up a fully loaded GTO, a 300m, or a lot of other, better suited cars, that aren't wrong-wheel drive. Anyway, that's my thoughts. I'm a GM fan for life :D

[95fbirdkid]

1.) It doesn't even resemble the GTO, the front end, rear end, anything, it looks more like a grand prix and a cavilier that puked on it.

[img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img] you people cant seem to understand that its not ment to look like the old GTO at all. THE OLD GTO LOOKED LIKE OTHER PONTIACS OF ITS TIME, THE NEW GTO LOOKS LIKE OTHER PONTIACS OF ITS TIME!!

and the ssr isnt ment to directly compete w/ the lightning, the lightning is a full size sports truck, the ssr is supposed to be in a class of its own. I dont like the ssr myself, but its not ment to compete w/ the lightning.

The F-body would have survived if the sticker price was not $35,000+ brand new at GM dealerships, even the V6 F-bodies where priced at some $28,000+ brand new.

are you looking at fully loaded ws6 'verts and v6's w/ the performance, appearance, and every other package available convertables? if not your dealer was marking **** up like crazy.

[BirdOfPrey01]

Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
1.) It doesn't even resemble the GTO, the front end, rear end, anything, it looks more like a grand prix and a cavilier that puked on it.

[img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img] you people cant seem to understand that its not ment to look like the old GTO at all. THE OLD GTO LOOKED LIKE OTHER PONTIACS OF ITS TIME, THE NEW GTO LOOKS LIKE OTHER PONTIACS OF ITS TIME!!

and the ssr isnt ment to directly compete w/ the lightning, the lightning is a full size sports truck, the ssr is supposed to be in a class of its own. I dont like the ssr myself, but its not ment to compete w/ the lightning. </font>[/QUOTE]Dude you can't just start your own class of style and bullsh*t.

It's like the ***** kid in school that put pigeon crap in his hair, pierced his nipples with a chain link to his lips and wears high heals.

Sure a few will follow him, a few always will. But will everyone? What if he was paid 5$ a day to do it? Would you all follow to if you were paid 5$ a day too? Hell no, I sure wouldn't.

Will you follow GM? Buy a SSR?

[BirdOfPrey01]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=101836#3

Gaze upon the ugliness!

http://www.chevrolet.com/aveo/

Look at it? WTF?

Why does GM have to take a hot steaming dump and try to sell it to people as well? How is this "Aveo" any better than the Civic? or Echo? It's probably less than if anything.

Instead of GM being creative they just copy an already import dominated market with their own half azz'd cheap boring innovations and think they can make sales.

Here is an idea! Instead of GM being gay with the interior designs, why not make Carbon Fiber a choice. Lots of kids like carbon fiber panels and gizmos, why not go that route? Why not make the designs simple yet good looking and easily accessible to remove and fix?

Why must they design a hard to replace panel that with tons of wierd demensions and shape so when it pops out it doesnt go back in easily, breaks easily, looks like spray painted plastic? And rattles alot later in life. GM just loves doing this, look at the interior of all their new cars.

Everything breaks, what is the use of quality if it can't be fixed easily

Oh and colors...

Same colors all the time now, and they get brighter every year!. Look at the colors in some of GM's cars, looks like a kindergardener picked out the themes.

Another wonderful moment by GM....
"Chevrolet engineers managed to wedge the company's 5.3-liter V8 into the SSR's narrow engine bay. Its 300 horsepower provide adequate, if not exhilarating, performance. (Photo courtesy of Scott Jacobs)"

Yea great, so its expensive and not easily accessible to fix. No room to get hands in engine bay. What else? The the motor for the roof need maintenece every 6 months as well?

[ February 11, 2005, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: BirdOfPrey01 ]

[95fbirdkid]

dude, i said right there where you quoted me "i dont like the ssr myself"

and mabey they "shouldnt" start their own class and style, but they did. what about the pt cruiser its doing alright and it doesnt fit into any other class of cars

[BirdOfPrey01]

Originally posted by 95fbirdkid:
dude, i said right there where you quoted me "i dont like the ssr myself"

and mabey they "shouldnt" start their own class and style, but they did. what about the pt cruiser its doing alright and it doesnt fit into any other class of cars

But see, trucks have a purpose. And the SSR does it all wrong.

The PT Cruiser is just a car and it does what it does well.

[3.4 slow to go]

pt cruiser is classified as a minivan, even though it really a neon underneath.

and yes, car makers make up classes just because they can. it's clled a "niche " vehicle.