Motor Trend: SRT-4 vs. Cobalt SS

[99camaro99]

Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 99camaro99:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mike h:
maybe the shift points are right before/after 100 mph??? can any srt-4 owners vouch that a 4th gear redline is about 100?

no 3rd redlines at 90.

Oh and for who thinks it'll do 14.4 @ 99, care to explain why it takes 15.2 to get to 100 in that test? I have a feeling it's more like a 14.4 @ 96/97. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah I think those cars were rumored to run like 14.2-14.4, which it should for having 200fwhp.

I think all the times are off for that article. They must have been hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]Good points. :cool:

Anyways, I think GM paid off MT to get those numbers closer. Dodge has nothing to lose in this comparison because the SRT has a reputation already and 2005 is the last year for this SRT-4 based off the Neon. Chevy is just entering the arena and they need it to "SEEM" like it's a competitor, when in fact, it isn't. At a sticker price of $24,995 for a Cobalt SS, I don't think it's a viable option. A WRX could be had for the same price (+AWD) or you could spend 4K more and have yourself a nice Evolution/STi if an econobox is the kind of car you're into.

[Mighty Thor]

Originally posted by 99camaro99:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 99camaro99:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mike h:
maybe the shift points are right before/after 100 mph??? can any srt-4 owners vouch that a 4th gear redline is about 100?

no 3rd redlines at 90.

Oh and for who thinks it'll do 14.4 @ 99, care to explain why it takes 15.2 to get to 100 in that test? I have a feeling it's more like a 14.4 @ 96/97. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah I think those cars were rumored to run like 14.2-14.4, which it should for having 200fwhp.

I think all the times are off for that article. They must have been hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]Good points. :cool:

Anyways, I think GM paid off MT to get those numbers closer. Dodge has nothing to lose in this comparison because the SRT has a reputation already and 2005 is the last year for this SRT-4 based off the Neon. Chevy is just entering the arena and they need it to "SEEM" like it's a competitor, when in fact, it isn't. At a sticker price of $24,995 for a Cobalt SS, I don't think it's a viable option. A WRX could be had for the same price (+AWD) or you could spend 4K more and have yourself a nice Evolution/STi if an econobox is the kind of car you're into. </font>[/QUOTE]I always get peachie about MT doing reviews about GM. This is one of those few that they gave a good input on anything other than the vette.

It's been said before and I don't have the article with me. GM does have plans of boosting it to 272 hp and compete with Evo and WRX. No mentioning of Neons in there.

I'm just amaze how strong that Ecotec engine is. Turners pumping out 500 hp out of a stock SC Ecotec engine is an amazing thing.

[95Batmobile]

Originally posted by 99camaro99:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 99camaro99:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mike h:
maybe the shift points are right before/after 100 mph??? can any srt-4 owners vouch that a 4th gear redline is about 100?

no 3rd redlines at 90.

Oh and for who thinks it'll do 14.4 @ 99, care to explain why it takes 15.2 to get to 100 in that test? I have a feeling it's more like a 14.4 @ 96/97. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah I think those cars were rumored to run like 14.2-14.4, which it should for having 200fwhp.

I think all the times are off for that article. They must have been hungover. </font>[/QUOTE]Good points. :cool:

Anyways, I think GM paid off MT to get those numbers closer. Dodge has nothing to lose in this comparison because the SRT has a reputation already and 2005 is the last year for this SRT-4 based off the Neon. Chevy is just entering the arena and they need it to "SEEM" like it's a competitor, when in fact, it isn't. At a sticker price of $24,995 for a Cobalt SS, I don't think it's a viable option. A WRX could be had for the same price (+AWD) or you could spend 4K more and have yourself a nice Evolution/STi if an econobox is the kind of car you're into. </font>[/QUOTE]The Chevy webpage says the MSRP is $22k.. I hope dealerships don't jack up the price that high, nobody will buy them. I would consider one at $22k, but not at $25k! That's the MSRP of a new Mustang GT which will go a lot faster hehe and sound better doing it.

[99camaro99]

Originally posted by Mighty Thor:
It's been said before and I don't have the article with me. GM does have plans of boosting it to 272 hp and compete with Evo and WRX. No mentioning of Neons in there.

you know stock SRT's don't make 230hp/250tq crank. That's they're typical output to the wheels [img]graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] so you could say it's a bit higher at the crank if you consider a 15% drivetrain loss from 230whp/250wtq. :cool: It's underrated.

[RedFrk13]

You guys do realize the standard WRX only traps low 90s. The wrx would rape the cobolt off the line, but the cobolt would catch it by the end of the track. In a race from a roll, I think the cobolt would walk it. AWD has its advantages and loves the snow [img]smile.gif[/img] , but their topend suffers when they dont need the traction.

Car and driver trapped the cobolt at 98, so it definitly isnt an error. I have seen a few SRT4s at the track to and am very impressed by them, I think they are ussually around 102.

[ April 05, 2005, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: RedFrk13 ]

[casketcrewchick]

I only like the cobalt cause its a coupe.

[BirdOfPrey01]

James, it is possible that the 14.4 was done by an automatic srt-4.

But I know for a fact that the manual srt-4 neon is capable of a 13.6 on a perfect run.

My g/f's cousin has 04 srt-4 that he made a 13.7 pass with all stock.

HP
Cobalt 205 @ 5600rpms
SRT4 230 @ 5300rpms

Torque
Cobalt 200 @ 4400rpms
SRT4 250 @ 2200rpms

Look at that difference in torque!

And look at where its made.

250 ft pounds of torque at 2200 rpms all the way to redline.

The whole point of performance powerband is to create power ALL throughout your RPM's.

Motortrend if full of crap.

[12secondv6]

SRT4 is only manual

[BiH]

like I said the srt-4 will own the cobalt

[BirdOfPrey01]

Only manual? Obviously motor trend a bunch of bullsh*t if they can only get a mid 14 out of the new srt-4.


For god sakes a ten year old dsm with manual can run a 14.4 at its best stock with crappy tires.

You can't tell me a 95 eclipse and 2005 srt-4 are equal?

[Camarolover98]

Here's the explanation that MT gave for the SRT4 doing so poorly:

Running an SRT4 at manufacturer specification in GT4 (Gran Turismo 4, a running theme in the article) might vindicate the oddsmakers' prognostication. But in real life, build variations and green engines (1450 miles old) can conspire to lower performance, as our test car's 6.0-second 0-to-60-mph sprint and 14.4-second 100.8-mph quarter-mile time suggest (our last two SRT4s were about a half-second quicker to both marks).

[red93camaro]

actually there is one or two auto srt-4's guy by the name of "tiny" from psi-fi motorsports has it in his srt-4 runnin like 11.5 ish now going to get a stand alone computer and put his red line up more to get more power,faster time.They have a drag car which they plan on running high 8's i believe. A friend of mine just sent his srt-4 down to them to get a turbo kit on it and they said on pump gas 450-500 whp and on race gas 550-600.Im not totally sure on the #'s but they are around that. Stock motor except head and cams. srt-4's blocks can hold 800 hp so unless u plan on running 800+ hp u dont need to change out the block which is nice. Thats damn good for a 4cyl car (damn family 4 door cars) lol. And its still under the price tag of an evo or a sti. Man i want my turbo kit i cant even keep up with the 1100 hp viper and now the srt-4 we cruise with :( .I couldnt keep up with them before now their both got sent out to get more done.them [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img] me lol thats what if feels like when they pull on me like im sitten still

[95Batmobile]

Originally posted by red93camaro:
actually there is one or two auto srt-4's guy by the name of "tiny" from psi-fi motorsports has it in his srt-4 runnin like 11.5 ish now going to get a stand alone computer and put his red line up more to get more power,faster time.They have a drag car which they plan on running high 8's i believe. A friend of mine just sent his srt-4 down to them to get a turbo kit on it and they said on pump gas 450-500 whp and on race gas 550-600.Im not totally sure on the #'s but they are around that. Stock motor except head and cams. srt-4's blocks can hold 800 hp so unless u plan on running 800+ hp u dont need to change out the block which is nice. Thats damn good for a 4cyl car (damn family 4 door cars) lol. And its still under the price tag of an evo or a sti. Man i want my turbo kit i cant even keep up with the 1100 hp viper and now the srt-4 we cruise with :( .I couldnt keep up with them before now their both got sent out to get more done.them [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img] me lol thats what if feels like when they pull on me like im sitten still

I'd like to buy some of whatever you're smoking to believe the stock SRT-4 bock will handle 800 horsepower [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

[99camaro99]

Originally posted by red93camaro:
I couldnt keep up with them before now their both got sent out to get more done.them [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img] me lol thats what if feels like when they pull on me like im sitten still

I hear ya on that. Been there, done that...then I just changed vehicles. Just a Neon ;)

[img]graemlins/stickpoke.gif[/img]

Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
I'd like to buy some of whatever you're smoking to believe the stock SRT-4 bock will handle 800 horsepower [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

I agree 800 is a little "pushing it" as no one has tried pushing it that high as far as my knowledge. The block will easily take 400whp. 500-550whp is possible if tuned properly. Beyond that, who knows...

[Mighty Thor]

Well pound per pound of boost, the Cobalt will make more power. Just check it out:

Cobalt= 11-12 psi Supercharger

SRT-4= 14-16 psi Turbo
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Cobalt makes more HP or could make more HP per cubic inch.

Cobalt= 2.0L

SRT-4= 2.4L

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Now turn up the wick on Cobalt to equal that of SRT-4 and you got more HP, better take off since it's a Root SC, much faster and still look better doing it.

I think it's bogus for you guys to say that a stock SRT-4 can do mid to low 13. When you guys say Stock, you better mean, "STOCK." Which means paper filter, stock exhaust and everything.

There's a kid here that had alot of stuff done to his yellow SRT-4 and he could only manage 14.2. But then again, this is Calif.