Myself vs. 94 Z28 6speed, **VIDEOS UP**

[Mogobs30th]

I love being provoked, it makes me tingle. :D So here we go...

Other then the LS1, and Mach 1s... what v8s remotely near the pricerange does the lt1 lose too?

Now you say price range. You mean price range of the car, or price range of the engine alone??? You confuse the hell out of me when you start adding information in the middle of a convo. But if you wish, I know of a '65 Falcon pulling 12's with just a cam and headers, and it is only a 302, so no BS about "Its got a cam" crap, because it is a smaller displacement engine. But if you are thinking same price range and years, how bout an LT4?

HAHA you are kidding right? You drive 11 second V8s on a daily basis then I assume? 14.0 LT1 is nice, especially with 3.73s, my friend went 13.6 with a 3.73s, exhuast, shift kit and intake. Ya they're slow.

If you want slow, try a 3rd gen 305 or 350. Or a Mustang GT up to '99. Well since your not impressed with an LT1, you wouldnt like those '99+ GTs.

My bro's old '98 Camaro with '94 Formula LT1 (yes an engine swap) with 3.23 gears would blow the **** out of my '98 V6 with 3.08s. Wasnt even close. Sure LT1 runs out of steam topend, but thats where the LS1 comes into play.

1. No, I don't drive 11 second V8's on a daily basis, so don't assume anything. I have a '95 Monte Carlo Z34, it gets me from point A to point B without problems. It is decently quick for a V6, but if I wanted a fast car, I wouldn't have bought the Monte.

2. My dad's good friend has a 1970 Olds 442, with a 455 in it. This car is completely stock, NO AFTERMARKET, pulling 13.0's with a stock gear of 2.73's. 13.0, completely stock, 4500 lbs. car.

3. Personally, I wouldn't own ANY production V8 made in the years between 1974 to 1997ish. I am not real impressed by them, probably because emmissions were bad in those years, and during the mid to late 90's, most car companies were starting to design production engines that could be emmission safe and fast.

If you all want to go jerk yourselves over an LT1, be my guest. Unless you start dumping money in aftermarket parts for one, they are slugs. Anyone impressed with a mid to high 13 second V8 apparently never gets out to see a V8 pulling 9's, 8's, even 7's. Granted, probably not many production V8's are doing that, but there are some getting 12's. And to go from 13's to 12's, anyone who has built, driven, or seen a car like these know that it takes more HP. The lower the time, the more HP it takes almost exponentially. LS1's are nice, underrated by GM (purposely). LT4's are ok, basically an LT1, but with mods from the factory. But you all have your opinion, and you are welcome to it. Just give me a call when you have driven a car that an SRT-4 can't beat.

[Ian]

We are not talking about modified cars at all, so drop that angle right now.

Bone stock, showroom floor new, the LT1 was an amazing engine for the money.

It seriously blows my mind that you think otherwise. It outperformed everything else in its class in the market, and not only outperformed, blew it out of the water.

I have driven many many 11 and 10 second cars, street legal, and LT1's still impress the hell out of me. Everyone i know who has been in one that ran right was impressed by them.

I think you are insane.

[Nicklz]

I'm not jumping in the engine debate, but on the first video on the interstate did anyone think the car spun out when the camera got jerked. lol
I thought for half a second that the car slide sideways when the camera jerked to the side. haha Got a good scare for a second.

[Mogobs30th]

We are not talking about modified cars at all, so drop that angle right now.

We're not???.....

14.0 LT1 is nice, especially with 3.73s, my friend went 13.6 with a 3.73s, exhuast, shift kit and intake. Ya they're slow.

Amazing how he wanted to mention the gears, exhaust, intake, and shift kit. Sounds like a modified car to me. And only a 13.6, wow.......

It seriously blows my mind that you think otherwise. It outperformed everything else in its class in the market, and not only outperformed, blew it out of the water.

What cars were in its class, during the years of 1993 through 1997, that had a V8, that didn't cost more than $30k, and wasn't a Mustang??? I can sit back and seriously not think of one car. Of course its going to blow the competition out of the water, the only competition those years was the even sh**tier 4.6l that Ford pawned off on the consumer. Bet you're impressed with it too, eh???

I think you are insane.

Something we can agree on.

[2000v6bird]

Mogoboth

wait...you think the LT1 is a terrible motor? [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img]

Like the 3800 or that V6 you have is so great.

Care to point out to me what V8 made from after the muscle car era to it's extinction in 1997 that offers similar power for the buck? I'm waiting...ok enough said.

Fact of the matter for it to pull 14.0-14.2 bone stock (assuming brand new condition) I think it's rather impressive. It also has great low end grunt.

Do me a favor and get your V6 pride out of you butt...that video I watched is enough to get you to shut it.

[greatsave9]

Comparing a 350ci LT1 with emissions to a 455ci with no emissions of the early 70s? :rolleyes:

Want a medal for your dads friends car? Course no LT5s, LT4s or '97 LS1s could touch 13.0. Course not, cause they're 15 second cars that get beat up by V6s. :rolleyes:

Name any other car in the price range of a LT1 that could pull a 14.0 in the years? Hell, name any car that could pull 13.0 in the LS1 era in the same price range. (TT'd Supras, VR4s, 300zxs cost nearly twice as much as F-bodies)

[Flowbee V6]

Originally posted by MustangEater8251:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Flowbee V6:
what compares to lt1?

Toyota 1uz-fe comes to mind. Quality engine, makes I think 300hp @ 6k, smaller and lighter than the the lt1, easy to swap and mod. I think they can be found for cheap

What kind of torque does it make?

Whats the aftermarket like?

And it appears to be $2400-2500.
http://www.japparts.com.au/products/stock-arriving.html
Local guy quoted a an entire ls1 drivetrain, engine, harness tranny, and rear end for $3200.

Lt1s are cheaper then ls1s, so... I bet you could get an lt1 cheaper then that.

As for the aftermarket, I know I am not a total expert, but I know a small amount about import and domestic cars, and until now I have never heard of this motor. SO for some reason I have a strong feeling the LT1 aftermarket is not that great. </font>[/QUOTE]On further look it is 290hp@6000/300trq@4000
And yes of course, this is not a motor with high aftermarket support (orignally for the lexus sc400)

That link you posted is in Australian currency. Convert that to American dollars and and its $1700

did a quick search for prices and found

http://www.cncmotors.com/price.asp?make=lexus ($1300)

http://members.optushome.com.au/acti...o/jamiett.html (got complete for $1000)

http://www.celicasupra.com/~mikecs/p...8e5ebf8edcfc59

I mentioned this engine because I remember from another forum someone picking one from a yard for $500 and putting in his cellica. Enthusiasts love it for its ability to handle **** loads of boost reliably. Used for swaps in celicas and supras, HKS drag supra has 1500+HP using one

I guess this is getting off topic so I'm done [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[MustangEater8251]

Ok so it is cheaper, so it doens't have much aftermakrket, 2 seconds ago you were tlakign about modding cars.

And like said comparing non-emissions cars to emissions cars is rediculous.

And there is a big difference between a car with gears, and exhaust and a car with internal work such as a cam. When you get into modding.

So ok your one motor stock for stock puts outs a few more ponies, but what kind of torque does it make? What kind of times does the Lexus run? Whats it weigh compared to LT1 F-body?

[MustangEater8251]

Man this lt1 is a dog, I pass him everyday in my v6.

http://www.bmr-media.com/9.49.wmv

and its a 6-speed.

[3.4 slow to go]

the 89 TT/A was the quickest factory bird until the ellis juans came out. I think they beat out the 3.8 by like 0.01~0.02sec.

yes, this was brought up earlier.

[Ian]

I just dont see how you cant like the LT1. 14 flat on average stock, near 30mpg highway mileage, handles amazing, all for low 20's price new.

Eh whatever, to each his own. Ill take an LT1 anyday.

[Camarorulz]

The LT1 is a good engine, the only thing wrong with it is that it's not an LS1 [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Mogobs30th]

WTF...First we are talking about the LT1, the engine, then we are talking about an LT1 car, then you got greatsave9 talking about a completely different engines altogether. Lets get some things straight before I continue.

1. I AM NOT talking about any LT1 powered car, I am talking about the engine itself. Ian, I have never compared the handling of one engine to another, because usually the engine is IN A D*** CAR!!!!! I can only recall only 3 cars that even had the LT1, the F-body, the Vette, and the Impala SS. Out of the three, I would like the Impala, only because it is holding value. I would just be dissapointed to have that engine in it.

2. I don't remember any LT1's (the engine, not the car) being sold by themselves.

3. Again, I will repeat myself. I am comparing the LT1 (engine, not the cars), to other V8's throughout the years. When you compare the LT1 (again, the engine, not the car) to other V8's, it tends to be on the lower end of the food chain.

[Ian]

Heres Ians V8 Domestic Foodchain Throughout the years, up until 1997: (Fuel injected cars only)

1) LT1 Chevy
2) 5.8L SOHC Ford
3) 5.0L SOHC Ford
4) 350ci TPI Chevy
5) 305ci TPI Chevy
6) 305ci TBI Chevy

These car common engines only, not considering anything like the LT4 or a 383stroker, nothing "Domestic-Exotic" like that