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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in674120.shtml

    States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile

    CORVALLIS, Ore., Feb. 14, 2005


    Taxing By The Mile

    Jayson Just commutes 2,000 miles a month. (Photo: CBS)


    "Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that."
    David Kim,
    engineer

    Toyota's fuel-efficient hybrid (Photo: AP)


    (CBS) College student Jayson Just commutes an odometer-spinning 2,000 miles a month. As CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes reports, his monthly gas bill once topped his car payment.

    "I was paying about $500 a month," says Just.

    So Just bought a fuel efficient hybrid and said goodbye to his gas-guzzling BMW.

    And what kind of mileage does he get?

    "The EPA estimate is 60 in the city, 51 on the highway," says Just.

    And that saves him almost $300 a month in gas. It's great for Just but bad for the roads he's driving on, because he also pays a lot less in gasoline taxes which fund highway projects and road repairs. As more and more hybrids hit the road, cash-strapped states are warning of rough roads ahead.

    Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."

    Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea.

    "Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that," says engineer David Kim.

    Kim and his team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.

    "So, if you drive 10 miles you will pay a certain fee which will be, let's say, one tenth of what someone pays if they drive 100 miles," says Kim.

    The new tax would be charged each time you fill up. A computer inside the gas pump would communicate with your car's odometer to calculate how much you owe.

    The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.

    "We're getting a lot of interest from other states," says Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation. "They're watching what we're doing.

    "Transportation officials across the country are concerned about what's going to happen with the gas tax revenues."

    Privacy advocates say it's more like big brother riding on your bumper, not to mention a disincentive to buy fuel-efficient cars.

    "It's not fair for people like me who have to commute, and we don't have any choice but take the freeways," says Just. "We shouldn't have to be taxed."

    But tax-by-mile advocates say it may be the only way to ensure that fuel efficiency doesn't prevent smooth sailing down the road.

    © MMV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.


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    Reason #4,437,847,294 I dont or never will live in CA
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    • #3
      What the ****????

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      • #4
        wow, that's almost as stupid as that law they passed in Houston about not changing your own tire. Another reason older cars are great. I wonder what kind of fines they'd hand out for tampering with that system, or if it ever died in the car. How would you even know if it stopped working, and what happens when you sell the car? Don't you just love cali?
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        • #5
          lmao, my dad took a trip to california to get some sort of degree for body work and like 15,000 worth of tools.

          He said some crazy lady came up to his rentacar and started flipping him off.

          Rofl

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MTMike:
            Reason #4,437,847,294 I dont or never will live in CA
            what he said
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            • #7
              As if toll roads aren't bad enough. :thumbsdown:
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              • #8
                I hear the FDOT & FHP want to make it mandatory to have a Sunpass implanted under your skin in order for you to receive a Florida drivers license beginning in 2006.
                I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Everglades W68:
                  I hear the FDOT & FHP want to make it mandatory to have a Sunpass implanted under your skin in order for you to receive a Florida drivers license beginning in 2006.
                  [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] No way in hell a law like that would pass.

                  And I haven't heard anything about that before.
                  <a href=\"http://pics.projectpredator.com/thumbnails.php?album=16\" target=\"_blank\">2003 Zinc Yellow Mustang GT</a> 1 of 701<br />ET : TBD<br />But our shenanigans are cheeky and fun! Yeah, and his shenanigans are cruel and tragic. Which... makes t

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                  • #10
                    [quote]Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
                    [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] No way in hell a law like that would pass.

                    And I haven't heard anything about that before.
                    Who me, make up something? :D
                    I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

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                    CENTRAL FLORIDA KNIGHTS!!!!!!!
                    FLORIDA STATE SEMINOLES !!!!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by andrew.brandon:
                      </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MTMike:
                      Reason #4,437,847,294 I dont or never will live in CA
                      what he said </font>[/QUOTE]x2, htis stuff is just getting stupid now, we need to like change out all the gov. officals

                      even at a dollar or less a mile, thats ****ing anywhere from 10k to 40k a year, or .10 a mile which is 1k to 4k a year... although... it might actully be cheaper for us drivers if they do .10 a mile ....

                      i've already put 30k on my car last year alone ...

                      [ February 16, 2005, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: shock_core ]
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