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    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...28outrage.html

    Oil industry under fire as it posts billions in profits

    Max Jarman
    The Arizona Republic
    Oct. 28, 2005 12:00 AM

    Reaction to major oil producers' staggering profits ranges from rage at the pumps to calls for profits to be reinvested in exploration, alternative-energy research or simply returned somehow to the public.

    Exxon Mobile Corp., the world's largest publicly traded oil company, said Thursday that it earned an industry record $9.9 billion in this year's third quarter, $4.2 billion, or 74 percent, more than it earned a year earlier. Other companies have reported similar results.

    But the soaring oil and gasoline prices that are the source of the oil company's third-quarter profits have created hardships for consumers and eaten away at the profits of many businesses. Some economists believe they will lead to an economic slowdown and possibly a recession.
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    The oil companies assert that their profits are no larger than other businesses and that they just look big because it is a big business.

    Exxon Chairman Lee R. Raymond said in a statement that the company "acted responsibly" in its pricing and said its fourth-quarter profits would come nowhere close to the $9.9 billion in the third quarter.

    That doesn't necessarily wash with Adrienne Valdez of Phoenix.

    "I can't afford to buy socks because I am paying twice what I used to for gas," she said. "It's not right that they should be making billions at our expense."

    In Phoenix, gas prices soared to $3.14 after Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast. The average Valley price per gallon, which has been falling in recent weeks, was $2.72 Thursday, according to AAA Arizona.

    Bruce Trushinsky, owner of the former Moon Valley Exxon station at 1901 W. Thunderbird Road in Phoenix, called Exxon Mobil's $9.9 billion quarterly profit "disgusting."

    He became so upset at the $7.6 billion profit posted by the company in the second quarter that he canceled a longtime branding agreement.

    "I ripped down all the Exxon signs and threw them in the garbage,"

    he said. Now, after 30 years, Moon Valley Exxon is Carmel Automotive and Fuel. Trushinsky said the high wholesale prices charged by Exxon were devastating to his business and that the last straw was when the company canceled its dealer-incentive program.

    "They cut us off, then they announced their (second-quarter) profit increased $2 billion."

    Besides Exxon's 74 percent jump in profits, Royal Dutch Shell reported Thursday that its third-quarter net income rose 68 percent to $9 billion and Conoco Phillips on Wednesday said that its third-quarter profit rose 90 percent to $3.8 billion. ChevronTexaco is expected to report earnings Friday of $3.9 billion, a jump of 53 percent over the third quarter of 2004.

    The soaring oil companies' profits prompted U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist on Thursday to call for hearings with oil companies on high energy costs.

    Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard also has called on Congress to look into the oil industry profits, particularly in light of the tax breaks the industry was awarded in the recently passed energy bill.

    "The energy bill has billions of dollars in benefits for oil companies, and they show their gratitude to consumers by cranking prices through the roof," Goddard said.

    Others have called for a windfall-profits tax on oil companies and want them forced to reinvest the money in new oil refineries to ease supply constraints.

    David Cowley, a spokesman for AAA Arizona, believes such a requirement may be reasonable.

    "There is evidence that they caused the supply problems by earlier closing refineries," he said.

    The industry says the answer is the expansion of existing refineries, not building new ones.

    And despite its profits, Exxon says it has no plans to invest any of those earnings in developing alternative or renewable energy, something other oil companies do.

    "We're an oil and gas company," Exxon spokesman Dave Gardner said. "In times past, when we tried to get into other businesses, we didn't do it well. We'd rather re-invest in what we know."

    Neither will Exxon significantly step up how much money it puts into finding oil or refining it into gasoline, which could help ease tight supplies that have driven oil and gasoline prices to records this year.

    Denise McCourt, a spokeswoman for the American Petroleum Institute in Washington, D.C., defended the industry's profits as being in line with those of other industries.

    "The reason the numbers look so large is because we are such a large industry," she said.

    But instead of greeting the oil industry profits as a sign of economic prosperity, investors appeared to perceive the news Thursday as a harbinger of economic problems ahead. Their pessimism sent the Dow Jones industrial average down 115 points and the Nasdaq into a 36-point skid. Even Exxon's stock fell 60 cents to $55.60.

    Indeed economists blame high fuel costs for rising inflation and declining consumer spending.

    Timothy Hogan, an economist with the Seidman Research Institute at Arizona State University, believes the high fuel costs will translate into an economic slowdown in the fourth quarter.

    "The energy costs are working their way through the system, but they will eventually mean higher costs for almost everything," he said.

    The high fuel costs have been particularly tough on the airline industry. Delta and Northwest partially attributed their recent Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings to high fuel costs.

    Phil Gee, a spokesman for Phoenix-based US Airways, said fuel has now eclipsed labor as the airline's chief operating cost. The airlines have been able to pass some of the costs along to consumers by raising fares.

    But, like other industries, they have been unable to recover all of the higher fuel costs that have become a hit to their bottom lines.
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  • #2
    omfg!!!!!

    howdare a company look out for it's shareholders & make a profit. How come the story doesn't say how much "big oil" has to spend inorder to get big profits?

    AS soon as gov't gets it'sprying, greedy little hands into this, shytz gonna hit the fan & get all fudged up. It always does.
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    • #3
      you can bet your duckets that bush is laughing at all this, as his pockets get fatter too; the exxon-mobil group undoubtedly contributed to his campaign.

      they don't have to spend a great deal, to ship relatively cheaper foreign oil; their profits heavily outweigh the financial costs.

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      • #4
        Yup, I heard this on the radio the other day. We definately need to start building oil refineries here. We haven't done that since 1976. First we got to tell those environmentalist to shut up.

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        • #5
          yup, supply & demand at work, but then , people would bytch at another shortage too :rolleyes:
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mighty Thor:
            First we got to tell those environmentalist to shut up.
            then, we gotta get our heads out of our asses, and look past today. look into more progressive research, to solve this energy dilemma. supply and demand do nothing for finite resources.

            besides, humans aren't the only ones who inhabit the earth. ours is a symbiotic existance


            this is precisely what I plan to get into research for, exploring different methods of energy extraction; going down to Corpus Christi/Padre Island, and seeing refineries everywhere, really pisses me off.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mighty Thor:
              Yup, I heard this on the radio the other day. We definately need to start building oil refineries here. We haven't done that since 1976. First we got to tell those environmentalist to shut up.
              I read an intersting report a few weeks ago. A ****load of refineries were closed down in the 90's by oil companies.

              As disturbing as it is, it's the oil companies right to make money hand over fist. The thing that pissed me off the most, was the fact that Exxon refuses to reinvest the money into building refineries to help ease the costs. They also refuse to try spend a dime in trying to find alternative fuels.

              I have a strong feeling this is going to backfire on them and cause the economy to go into a recession. Gas goes up, so does everything else. We're just now starting to see the prices on the shelves. So not only are you paying more at the pump, you're paying more for stuff you buy, because they had to increase the cost due to what it costs them to get that product on the shelves.

              The oil bubble is gonna bust, and I hopefully it will be soon. When gas prices went above $3/gallon there was a huge decline in US demand. Hopefully, that was the pop, and prices continue to drop.

              And to answer your question, I heard recently on the news it only takes $10 to extract one barrel of oil.
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              • #8
                [quote]Originally posted by kinetic:
                Originally posted by Mighty Thor:
                [qb] look into more progressive research, to solve this energy dilemma.

                this is precisely what I plan to get into research for, exploring different methods of energy extraction;
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                • #9
                  and jettison the reactor.

                  i recommend watching "The Corporation", an objective look into what corporations really do in the grand scheme of things.

                  it's not pretty.


                  things addressed: number 1, inequities (particularly when companies form an oligarchy)

                  global pollution (people can be in denial/apathetic all they want, the problem's not going away)

                  abuse of land resources, and disregard of public interest

                  exploitation of foreign labor policies (particularly china and india)

                  this is a very eye-opening account of how these large corporations really affect us, both bad and good...I promise you, in terms of needs, the bad greatly outweighs the good.

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                  • #10
                    by the way... keep in mind that OPEC represents an oligopoly, where multiple big players dictate the market.

                    when they have disputes, consumers win with lower prices, but when they adhere to their common goal (to maximize profits), we suffer.

                    [ October 29, 2005, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: kinetic ]

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                    • #11
                      they can put gas to .99 gallon again and still post profits :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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                      • #12
                        technically, yes, but then the demand would really have an impact on supply, especially given the mechanical limitations (refining)

                        and there's no way in hell we'll see 1996 gas prices
                        any time soon. OPEC is really stickin' it to us again

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kinetic:
                          </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mighty Thor:
                          First we got to tell those environmentalist to shut up.
                          then, we gotta get our heads out of our asses, and look past today. look into more progressive research, to solve this energy dilemma. supply and demand do nothing for finite resources.

                          besides, humans aren't the only ones who inhabit the earth. ours is a symbiotic existance


                          this is precisely what I plan to get into research for, exploring different methods of energy extraction; going down to Corpus Christi/Padre Island, and seeing refineries everywhere, really pisses me off.
                          </font>[/QUOTE]Remember WWII, when we suposedly cut off the fuel supply to Germany. Well the Germans synthesized fuel for their cars and war machines. We don't want to do it because it would cost even more.

                          Besides, it's been stated that there are no shortage of oil at all. Besides if we are to build oil refineries in mainland USA, it would take 10 to 15 years.

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                          • #14
                            there's really more of a shortage of oil than money; this is just a case of the haves vs. the have-nots in the typical capitalist reality paradigm, one than many people either overlook, or are apathetic to.

                            so we have what may seem like an "endless" supply of
                            oil, but not enough refineries to cater to the demand, that's what's really going on right now, but if you cater to the demand, people will be gluttonous with the supply, and decide to keep their
                            obnoxiously large/impractical Excursions and H2s, and then real (not imagined) problems will become more obvious to the dumbfoundedly apathetic idiots.


                            common logic,plain and simple, and contrary to what we are told.

                            [ October 30, 2005, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: kinetic ]

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kinetic:
                              there's really more of a shortage of oil than money; this is just a case of the haves vs. the have-nots in capitalist reality paradigm, one than many people either overlook, or are apathetic to.
                              Are you saying that oil isnt a necessity? Without oil, our economy would grind to a halt.
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