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    Uniting for lower emissions

    Oregon, Washington plan to adopt California's greenhouse-gas standards

    By Brad Cain, Associated Press

    SALEM, Ore. - Despite an effort by auto-industry lobbyists to kill the move, two Pacific Northwest states Oregon and Washington are getting ready to adopt California's new vehicle-emission standards to reduce greenhouse gases.
    When that happens, California's newly implemented emissions standards the toughest in the country will be in effect along the entire West Coast from Canada to Mexico.

    By 2016, all new cars, SUVs and light trucks sold in the West Coast states would have to comply with the tougher standards on emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, which are believed to be a leading cause of global warming. The 2016 date was set to give automakers plenty of time to comply with the new standards. At least six states in the Northeast are also moving to adopt California's new standards to reduce car emissions.

    It's an environmental squeeze play with states on the two coasts working to try to force the auto industry to turn out cleaner, more fuel-efficient cars, since those states constitute nearly a third of the U.S. car market.

    "People realize that having more advanced-technology cars on the road will enhance our oil security and begin to address global warming issues,' says Rob Sargent of the Boston-based National Association of State Public Interest Research Groups.

    Under the federal Clean Air Act, California is allowed to set pollution standards for cars and trucks that are more stringent than federal standards. Other states can choose either California's standards or the looser federal rules.

    Most northeastern states have followed California emission rules for years, and now those states are making the change to reflect California's latest rules regulating carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles.

    Although the movement has gained little traction in the Midwest and the South to date, it's gotten a huge boost with the three West Coast states unifying around the tough new California standards.

    Sargent said other states, such as Pennsylvania, Illinois and North Carolina, also are starting to look at moving to the new California standards.

    "Despite what the Bush folks say, more people are realizing that global warming is a problem that we need to begin to address,' he said.

    Climatologists have warned that if allowed to continue, rising temperatures caused by driving and other human activities will cause melting glaciers, rising sea levels and weather changes.

    California lawmakers in 2002 directed the California Air Resources Board to develop rules to reduce vehicle emissions of greenhouse gases, a task the board completed last September. The regulations will be phased in starting in 2009, with all new cars, SUVs and light trucks required to be in full compliance by 2016.

    The auto industry is suing California over its new standards, saying the state lacks authority to implement such regulations and that the rules would eventually add $3,000 to the cost of a new car.

    "Consumers ought to be able to make the choices of options they want on their vehicle and not have those choices made for them,' says Eron Shosteck of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, a Washington, D.C.-based auto-industry group.

    Besides, Shosteck said, automakers have made strides in producing more fuel-efficient vehicles, including a growing number of gas-electric hybrids.

    This year, the auto industry has fought to try to prevent the entire West Coast from becoming what environmentalists call a "clean-car corridor.'

    Washington state lawmakers voted to bring the strict California car-emissions standards to their state. However, as part of a compromise, lawmakers made their bill contingent on Oregon adopting the same standards. Both states' regulations would take full effect in 2016.

    Seeing an opportunity to kill the regulations in both states, auto-industry lobbyists persuaded Oregon legislators to insert language into a state environmental agency budget forbidding the state from spending money to adopt or enforce California-style emission rules.

    But Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski, who has aligned himself with environmentalists in the past, says he will use his veto authority to delete that provision from the budget.

    That will clear the way for the Oregon Environmental Quality Commission to adopt the new tailpipe emission rules for Oregon by the end of the year, Kulongoski said.

    The stiffer requirements would mean new cars sold in the state would have to emit 30 percent less carbon dioxide, 20 percent fewer toxic pollutants and up to 20 percent fewer smog-causing pollutants than the established federal standards.

    Kulongoski, a Democrat, said Oregon and the other states need to act because the Bush administration has failed to take steps to curtail global warming.

    "If the federal government doesn't want to move forward on global warming, then the states are going to have to do it,' the governor said.

    Besides the three West Coast states that are moving to adopt the new emission standards, six Northeast states are expected to finalize rules by the end of this year New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Vermont and Maine, according to Northeast States for Coordinated Air Use Management, an association of state air-quality officials from the region.

    A seventh state, Rhode Island, is considering whether to adopt the new California rules or revert to less restrictive federal standards, the group said.

    [ August 22, 2005, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Mighty Thor ]

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    Y'all need to spend a winter in the north. Global warming my arse.

    It's all a bunch of tofu farting hippie crap :mad:
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    • #3
      Other states already do use many of California's emisions laws. The whole green house gas thing is a load of crap. While car emissions do contain gases that are "speculated" to cause global warming they produce such a low amount it is laughable. If everyone wants to get caught up in the whole green house gas thing they need to look towards companies that create massive amounts of said gases, but then again why go after corporations when you can just push around citizens. [img]graemlins/stickpoke.gif[/img]

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      • #4
        did I mention that I'm embarrassed to have been born in Cali?
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        • #5
          hi! im in washington
          feel free to use me as a punching bag.
          The confusion surrounds me <br />change is imminent<br />if I were they<br />we could be great

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          • #6
            //punch// [img]tongue.gif[/img]

            what a bunch of crap. im glad i live in ohio. echeck is on the way out at the end of the year here.

            current car- 95 Trans am- bolt ons, parked and collecting dust. why? because **** it

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MTMike:
              Y'all need to spend a winter in the north. Global warming my arse.

              It's all a bunch of tofu farting hippie crap :mad:
              Spend a summer down here, it's been the hottest summer I can remember.

              Personally, I think we should spend more money on researching alternative fuels sources rather then stupid emissions laws.
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              • #8
                Gee, go figure. NY is in on this too. Who'da thunk it? Im moving to NH... Those people don't give a **** about anything, lol.
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                • #9
                  I agree. I'm a Florida native and this is the HOTTEST summer in my memory. I actually like the heat, but not this bad.

                  It has been so hot down here, the red tide will not go away and is making the beaches miserable and killing all of the aquatic life.

                  Personally, I don't care about emissions. If Florida ever instates emissions laws (which they won't for a very long time because g-dumbya's brother), I'll just either put the stock camshaft back in or get one with a 114LSA.

                  I can't STAND cars that don't have cat's on their cars and they're are so many people with junk heap trucks and cars without converters on them and spew all sorts of blue or black smoke it's ridiculous. Nothing sucks worse than being in traffic like I am nearly everyday in 95+ degree heat and being stuck behind some jimmy jack without a converter. How much HP did you gain with that straight pipe on your 85 S-10 you retard!!?! :mad: :mad:

                  P.S. Traffic is getting so bad here because of all the old yankees that keep transplanting, my next daily driver will probably be a 4 door sedan. At least in Tampa, we're running out of road to even USE a high performance car.
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                  • #10
                    NH suckers... but they are pretty strict hen inspecting cars with exhaust, and now theyre computerizing the inspection press, so if you pass emissions the computer wont print you a sticker, and if you fail it goes into the database &gt; [img]smile.gif[/img]
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Fredless:
                      P.S. Traffic is getting so bad here because of all the old yankees that keep transplanting...
                      Ahahaha. You can have'em all buddy. [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]
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                      • #12
                        This is my plan after I spend my 30 years at UPS and retire...

                        1)Buy some BIG *** lincoln that I can barely manage and drive up to Michigan

                        2)Proceed to drive 40mph on the expressway with my right blinker on "acting" as if I care enough to drive correctly

                        3)When people flash their lights at me to get the hell out of the way, act like I don't know what they're getting upset about

                        4)Put a pro-life tag on my car and a jesus fish on the back bumper and proceed to drive like the biggest ******* on the planet and cut people off...oh and pull out into streets ON purpose and barely accelerate when I could have waited another 5 seconds to let the single car pass me.

                        5)Now that my fun will be over, sell the lincoln and move to Fajardo or Arecibo and just relax till I die.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Fredless:
                          I agree. I'm a Florida native and this is the HOTTEST summer in my memory. I actually like the heat, but not this bad.

                          It has been so hot down here, the red tide will not go away and is making the beaches miserable and killing all of the aquatic life.

                          Personally, I don't care about emissions. If Florida ever instates emissions laws (which they won't for a very long time because g-dumbya's brother), I'll just either put the stock camshaft back in or get one with a 114LSA.

                          I can't STAND cars that don't have cat's on their cars and they're are so many people with junk heap trucks and cars without converters on them and spew all sorts of blue or black smoke it's ridiculous. Nothing sucks worse than being in traffic like I am nearly everyday in 95+ degree heat and being stuck behind some jimmy jack without a converter. How much HP did you gain with that straight pipe on your 85 S-10 you retard!!?! :mad: :mad:

                          P.S. Traffic is getting so bad here because of all the old yankees that keep transplanting, my next daily driver will probably be a 4 door sedan. At least in Tampa, we're running out of road to even USE a high performance car.
                          Nah, you've never been on US40 in South Hillsborough ;) There's like a 20 mile stretch without even a stoplight, I was in my friends del sol and topped it out at 150 for like 5 minutes [img]redface.gif[/img]
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