Is GM using the GTO to keep the Stangs at bay and out of the vette's hair?

[Mighty Thor]

Because it's not working. First it was up against the Mach 1 and it lost. Now Road and Track have it against the Cobra and it lost badly.

It doesn't seem like the GTO is getting good publicity. I wonder if GM is doing this?

[L32Projekt]

I think GM lost their will to compete in that market segment when they canned the F-Body, but that's just one man's opinion...

[V6Maniac]

Ford can charge whatever they want for the Mustang now as long as it stays below the price of a vette. As long as there's no competition they own a monopoly on the American sports car market. GM will release something to compete with the new Mustang, just give it some time. Whether or not it's our beloved F-body or not has yet to be seen but with the upcoming LS2 I can hardly wait to see what happens.

[RedFrk13]

From what I hear, the LS1 is getting completly dropped next year and the LS2 is going in the vette and the GTO. So that Cobra just might have some competition in its price range.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

i though the C6 had the LS2 in it???????????

[Tiago]

Originally posted by viper04af:
i though the C6 had the LS2 in it???????????

it does..

[1998silverbird]

From last issue of Pontia High performance they were saying next year The GTO will have the LS1 in standard and a optional Judge package with the LS6!! That will be bad a$$.. Just remember its only in its 1st year of production again.. The GTO got a Higher MPH then the MACH1 did..

[Mighty Thor]

I think that it will be an awesome car if they lighten it up. I mean 3900 where is all that weight coming from.

It just have to go on a diet to beat a Cobra. Because even it get 400 hp that still won't be enough to beat it.

[BLLDOGG]

the gossip i have heard isnt that it will have a LS6, but a SC LS2. but thats just gossip

[98v6]

why not just go with like 4.10s for the perf. model? wouldn't that keep the extra pounds at bay long enough to stave off the cobra for a 1/4?

[bobrules]

Originally posted by Mighty Thor:
I think that it will be an awesome car if they lighten it up. I mean 3900 where is all that weight coming from.

Probably like 10 catalytic converters on the damn thing.

[Clark Griswold]

You guys and your gossip. How about some facts.

PONTIAC GTO

What’s new for 2005:
*LS2 6.0L engine replaces LS1
*400 horsepower (295 kw)
*395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm)
*Available hood with twin air scoops
*Revised rear fascia incorporating outlets for new split dual exhaust system
*Polished exhaust outlet tips
*Larger brake rotors and calipers
*Red-painted calipers with GTO logo on front caliper
*Driver foot rest
*Two new colors: blue and grey

Model Lineup:
Engine Transmissions
s-6.0L V-8
o-6-spd man (Tremec T56)
s-4-spd auto (Hydra-Matic 4L60-E)

2005 PONTIAC GTO: THE NEW GOAT GETS MORE MUSCLE
GTO – the original muscle car – was re-introduced last year and returns with more power and style for 2005. A new LS2 6.0L V-8 engine replaces the LS1 5.7L engine, bringing with it an increase in horsepower and torque.

The ’05 GTO packs 400 horsepower (295 kw) – up from 350 horses (261 kw) – and 395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm), up from 365 lb.-ft. (495 Nm). Transmission choices are the same as the ’04 model’s: The Hydra-Matic 4L60-E four-speed automatic is standard and the Tremec six-speed manual is optional. GTO’s more powerful engine should lower the 0-60 time to less than 5 seconds.

Enthusiasts will immediately spot the brawnier ’05 GTO, thanks to new badging and a revised rear fascia that incorporates a new dual-exhaust system – it splits the GTO’s two outlets, routing them to opposite sides of the rear fascia. The exhaust tips are polished for a more refined appearance.

Also available is a new hood design incorporating a pair of stylish air scoops. The scoops draw fresh air in to the GTO’s engine compartment.

The badges identifying the ’05 GTO’s bigger V-8 include a “6.0” badge on the trunk lid and revised “GTO” fender badges, which now incorporate “6.0 Litre” designations. The original 1964 GTO also wore “6.0 Litre” fender badges, but at a time when almost every other American manufacturer referenced engine size in cubic inches.

Along with the GTO’s power increase comes improved braking performance from larger brake rotors, calipers and pads. The calipers are painted red and the front calipers feature the GTO logo.

Additional changes to the ’05 GTO include two new colors (blue and grey), as well as driver foot rest. A line of regular production accessories (RPAs) based on the 2004 GTO Performance Plus SEMA concept vehicle is scheduled for start-of-production availability. The accessories include a tall rear spoiler, front and rear fascia extensions, rocker molding extensions and grille inserts. As part of GM’s RPA program, the accessories can be ordered and installed on the vehicle prior to delivery.

LS2 details

Compared to the Gen III-based LS1, the 2005 GTO’s LS2 V-8 incorporates several significant changes to help improve performance. The block is an all-new casting with cylinder bores measuring 4.00 inches (101.6 mm) in diameter. The cylinder heads and camshaft are revised, too, to deliver the airflow necessary to complement the engine’s larger displacement. Other changes include:

*New aluminum block casting with revised oil galleries and provisions for external knock sensors – external sensors improve serviceability
*Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
*Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
*Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
*Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
*More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
*Compression raised to 10.9:1
*Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
*Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
*Engine “redline” raised to 6500 rpm
*Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions.
*Balanced environment and safety

The new GTO is a contemporary performer. Its traits include impressive cornering abilities, a smooth ride and surprising comfort. The drivetrain rides on a 109.8-inch (279-cm) wheelbase, with a low stance that enhances the wide-track feel behind the wheel. The front track measures 61.4 inches (156 cm) and the rear track is 62.1 inches (158 cm) wide.

The fully independent suspension features MacPherson struts in front and a semi-trailing arm design in the rear, with specially tuned strut valving and spring rates. Direct-acting stabilizer bars and a variable ratio power steering system also are tuned to provide a sporty feel and increased driver feedback. Seventeen-inch alloy wheels and performance tires are matched to the performance-tuned suspension. Traction control and a limited slip differential also come standard.

The GTO’s premium interior is accented by a harmonious blend of details, complementing its dynamic driving experience. All-leather seating, as well as a leather-covered steering wheel and shifter knob, immediately conveys luxury, while items such as stainless steel sill plates, metallic-look steering wheel styling, satin nickel-look accent trim, and racing-inspired drilled metallic pedals add sportiness to the environment.

The front and rear sports seats are configured in a traditional 2+2 configuration, with side bolsters and the “GTO” name embroidered on the front seats. Interior seat and trim colors may be coordinated to the exterior color, with red, blue, purple and black interiors available. This splash of color extends from the seats to the door inserts to the lower part of the instrument panel to the gauge cluster.

Every GTO comes well equipped with a thoughtful package of interior amenities and safety features, including:

*Air conditioning
*Blaupunkt 200-watt audio system with six-disc in-dash CD changer and 10 speakers
*Console with storage compartment, accessory power outlet and two cupholders
*Cruise control
*Rear defogger
*Power door locks with lockout protection
*Programmable keyless entry with laser-etched key for added security
*Eight-way power adjustable driver and front passenger seats with power-assisted rear seat access feature
*Tilting and telescoping adjustable steering wheel
*Power windows with driver and passenger express-down feature
*Daytime running lamps with automatic headlamp control
*Theft and content deterrent system.
*The integrated driver information center located below the instrument cluster includes readouts for average speed, average miles per gallon, trip odometer, trip time remaining, trip distance remaining, fuel used and instant fuel mileage. There’s even a stopwatch feature and a user-programmable overspeed alarm.

Safety belts remain the primary and most effective form of occupant protection. All seating positions in the 2005 GTO have three-point safety belts. Retractors for front outboard seating positions have built-in load limiters that allow a controlled amount of give in the belt, thereby reducing the peak load on the chest during the “ride down” in a crash.

Dual frontal air bags are standard and GTO is equipped with child seat anchors.

Overview

Model: GTO

Body style / driveline:
4-passenger, front-engine, rear-drive coupe

Construction:
unitized body frame, 1- and 2-sided galvanized steel

EPA vehicle class:
midsize coupe

Manufacturing location:
Holden Elizabeth Plant, Elizabeth, Australia

Key competitors:
Acura CL 3.2, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Chrysler Crossfire, Mazda RX8, Nissan 350Z, Ford Mustang GT Premium/Cobra, Dodge Charger

Engine
Type:
6.0L V-8 (LS2)

Displacement (cu in / cc):
364 / 5970

Bore & stroke (in / mm):
4.00 x 3.62 / 101.6 x 92

Block material:
aluminum

Cylinder head material:
aluminum

Valvetrain:
OHV, 2 valves per cylinder

Fuel delivery:
sequential-port fuel injection

Compression ratio:
10.9:1

Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
400 / 295 @ 5200

Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
395 / 546 @ 4000

Recommended fuel:
92 octane

Maximum engine speed (rpm):
6500

Emissions controls:
catalytic converter/EGR

Estimated fuel economy

(mpg city / hwy / combined):
TBD

Transmissions
Tremec T56 Hydra-Matic 4L60-E
Type:
6-speed manual
4-speed electronic automatic FWD transverse

Gear ratios (:1):

First:
2.97
3.06

Second:
2.07
1.63

Third:
1.43
1.00

Fourth:
1.00
0.70

Fifth:
0.84
-

Sixth:
0.57
-

Reverse:
3.28
2.30

Final drive ratio:
3.46:1
3.46:1

Chassis/Suspension
Front:
independent MacPherson struts and progressive-rate springs

Rear:
independent semi-trailing control-link with gas pressure dampers

Steering type:
power-assisted variable ratio rack-and-pinion

Steering ratio:
variable ratio

Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
3

Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m):
36.1 / 11

Brakes
Type:
4-wheel discs (ventilated front, solid rear), power assisted with 4-channel anti-lock braking system.

Rotor diameter:
N/A

Wheels/Tires
Wheel size and type:
17-inch alloy

Tires:
P245/45R17

Dimensions
Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm):
109.8 / 2789

Overall length (in / mm):
189.8 / 4821

Overall width (in / mm):
72.5 / 1841

Overall height (in / mm):
54.9 / 1397

Track (in / mm):
61.8 / 1569

Curb weight (lb / kg):
TBD

Weight distribution (% front / rear):
55 / 45

Interior

Seating capacity (front / rear):
2 / 2

Head room (in / mm)

Front seat:
37.3 / 947

Rear seat:
37.3 / 947

Leg room (in / mm):

Front seat:
42.2 / 1072

Rear seat:
37.1 / 942

Shoulder room (in / mm):

Front seat:
59.7 / 1515

Rear seat:
51.7 / 1312

Hip room (in / mm):

Front seat:
58.0 / 1472

Rear seat:
50.2 / 1275

Capacities

Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg):
1000 / 454

Fuel tank (gal / L):
18.5 / 70

Engine oil (qt / L):
5.3 / 6.0

Cooling system (qt / L):
auto: 11.5 / 10.9

manual: 11.8 / 11.2

[BLLDOGG]

clark throwing down the facts. im not much of a gossip person, i was just putting in some input

[pontiac nino]

could that post have been made any bigger! :eek:

funny thing you mention the GTO, I was watching The Price Is Right (yeah I know woke up early) and some poor bastard bid $25,000 for a Black GTO and a nice bike (cruiser) well he lost and he lost badly price was $45,XXX for everything I could see the pain in his eyes when he realized he under bid. poor poor bastard.

[BirdOfPrey01]

LS2 is supposed to have LS6 heads from what i have been reading