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    Interesting read......

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    GM and Ford are national security risks
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    The car makers are way behind when it comes to building fuel-efficient cars, and they're fighting rule changes for better gas mileage. This leaves U.S. consumers sending money to the Middle East for oil, or to Japan for hybrids.

    By Scott Burns

    Nearly 35 years ago, General Motors (GM, news, msgs) asked a consulting firm to examine a problem. Imported cars, mostly Japanese, had captured 25% of the California car market. GM management was worried. While the Big Three still had 90% of the national market, the top brass at GM saw California as the future.

    So they had the problem studied.

    Today, General Motor's market share is down to 25%. The Big Three have seen their share shrink to 57%. Our domestic carmakers (including Chrysler) have lacked foresight and innovation for so long they are now fighting to hold market share in the big categories essential for survival: midsize cars, SUVs and minivans.

    Management will blame this on intractable labor costs. While labor costs are definitely a problem, it's time to consider a larger problem: intractable bonehead management.

    The same Japanese managements that are derided for their conformity and slow decision-making are eating Detroit's breakfast, lunch and dinner. That's a management problem.Banks and insurers
    check your credit.
    So should you.



    3 fatal flaws
    Today, General Motors and Ford (F, news, msgs) are well-positioned to be dinosaurs. So is Chrysler. Worse, they are threats to national security.

    How is this happening?

    Here are three main thrusts:
    The industry has consistently lobbied against any changes to the Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency (CAFE) rules, even as our dependence on imported energy has increased. The domestic car makers talk about a global industry but have acted as though the United States was peculiarly immune to rising energy costs. One side effect is that domestic cars are unsuited for foreign markets because foreign markets are geared to fuel efficiency.

    The industry has focused its profitability on gas guzzlers that are either supersized -- like the Hummer H2 (10/13 mpg), the Lincoln Navigator (13/18 mpg), the Chevrolet Suburban (14/18 mpg) and the Cadillac Escalade ESV (13/17 mpg) --- or on an array of super-muscle cars that are remarkably fuel efficient relative to their forebears but still send plenty of money to bomb-throwers in the Middle East.

    Rather than innovate and invest in hybrid technology, as Toyota and Honda have done, the industry has repeatedly labeled the most successful new car introduction in a decade as a "niche market" car. When fuel efficiency becomes crucial, American consumers will have two ugly choices: Send enormous amounts of money to the Middle East for oil, or send enormous amounts of money to Japan for efficient cars.

    Detroit threatens our national security
    The consequences of all this are neither good for the country nor pleasant. As some talk about $3 gasoline by summer, no remedies are available in auto dealer showrooms and lots. That's a pretty good reason to brand General Motors, Ford and Chrysler as major risks to national security.

    Is there something we can do?

    I believe there is. A recent survey showed that two out of three Americans, including NASCAR fans and conservatives, think buying more fuel-efficient cars is patriotic. Skeptics should check out 40mpg.org, a new organization devoted to convincing the other boneheads -- the ones in Congress -- that government-enforced, higher fuel-efficiency standards are essential.

    Conservatives have regularly defeated efforts to raise the CAFE standards, arguing against government intrusion in the private economy. I consider myself a conservative, but it's time to recognize that our national security is being threatened by Detroit.
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  • #2
    Under that line of thought you could reason that the american people are a threat to national security. True domestic brand are a step behind imports for fuel economy/hybrids. But for the most part the american people aren't willing to trade in their suv's for a civic hybrid. Would you trade in your firebird for a honda civic??

    Also (don't have facts for this) I doubt ford/GM/chrysler could build hybrids at same cost as competition at the current point. Due to a number of reasons, the biggest is labor costs. Not to mention 30 years ago cars were "basically" built by hand here in US, and GM/ford/chrysler is still paying retirement and such. While import car brands have been far more efficent in labor cost segment.

    Also if we force GM/ford/chrysler, to become more fuel coservative too fast, we raise the companies costs too fast, which means sticker prices go up. I'm sure our domestic brands are doing all they can on a budget, "ford explorer hybrid" I beleive they only produced 20,000 units for 05. And the demand is far greater than that. As cost for these new technologies become cheaper, hybrids will become more equal in cost with traditional gas engines vehicles. Only then will american people buy hybrids.
    IMO

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    • #3
      I have 2 things to say.

      1) GM cars do not get bad mileage. The ecotec is a mileage master. The LS1/2/6/7 all get 30mpg+ on the freeway. Their V6s are up to par on mileage too. Companies like Mercedes and BMW get terrible mileage in their top performers, which are sold quite a bit in the US. Why aren't they "national threats"? Because that guy is has a biased opinion about American products.

      2) GM has hybrid vehicles. They even have a hybrid TRUCK, the silverado. How are they behind? They're even developing hydrogen powered vehicles, and close to getting the science down to where it will be available to consumers.

      That article you posted is interesting, but total garbage.
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      • #4
        1. I agree SUVs are stupid gas wasters - but people have been plunking down loads of money for them - regardless of whether the maker is based in the US or any other place.

        Big, ugly vehicles are popular. 25+ years ago, the big thing was to have fuel-efficient cars. With gas prices up and still rising, we probably will see a return to the view that high-mileage cars are cool.

        2. Watch out what you wish for. The CAFE standards phase-in is what brought such great vehicles as the 4 cylinder 3rd gen F bodies.
        I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

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        • #5
          That article is fiction based idiotic propaganda.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by HAZ-Matt:
            That article is fiction based idiotic propaganda.
            Couldnt of said it much better. Sounds to me as if that guy is the terrorist. If i'm not mistaken, dont the new vettes get somelike like 28 mpg??!!! One of the vehicles in my family gets 10 mpg, are you gonna cry about that? We actually use it though, we have to deliver 800 newspapers a night.

            I'm all for hybrids, THAT IS for people who want them. But I'd much rather have my bird than a prius.....
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            • #7
              This article is from Money Central in MSN regarding GM's stock.

              http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/...ra/P114895.asp

              And if you type in the Title in Google, it is in a ton more sites containing this articles such as this site...

              American International Automotive Dealers

              [ April 19, 2005, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: 98goldbird ]
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              • #8
                that is such a sssssttttrrrreeeeettttcccchhh. :rolleyes:

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                • #9
                  i'm not even going to say anything.
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                  13.25@104.97 - Lid + soon to be more other stock items ;D

                  Originally posted by camaroextra
                  tears are great lube, but its hard to get a girl to cry onto her own ***.

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                  • #10
                    Domestic companys don't get the credit they deserve. Like what was said earlier about the corvette getting 28 mpg. I'm yet to see a factory 400hp Honda with that kind of mpg.
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                    • #11
                      boohoo...GM is losing it's *** because of it's car lineup..Ford is the same way only not as bad...Chrysler is holding it's own against the imports...it's called product lineup...if you don't come out with anything appealing..chances are you ain't gonna sell alot of cars..it's common sense. also the mention of the labor price resulting in higher prices for cars is ridiculous...3% of a cars price is due to labor cost...i make $70,000 a year working 6 days a week 10hr days..I build Dodge Ram trucks...we run 750 a day..avg. price of a new truck is pushing $30,000. do the math...there's also 2 other plants doing the same thing..one in Mexico..where labor costs are .000003% of the final cost..we pay out the *** for gas because we haven't built a refinery in this country for over 25yrs. if you are dependent on someone else..especially when the someone is taught not to like us from the moment they are born..how can you expect but not to get screwed?? by the way...i have an 8,000lb 3/4 ton quad cab 4x4 that gets over 20mpg..it's called diesel..it's what's coming...before long at chrysler you'll be able to get a diesel in damn near anything they build..but then we'll be argueing over emissions and pollution i'm sure...the worlds not a perfect place...it never will be..let it go already.
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