New Camaro does 11.5!

[02PewterBird]

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Heck a Bmws 545I basic model costs a little less than a Vette and comes with a mashing like 435hp in '02 I think it was in a 4.4L V8 and got better gas millage, performs better with the M suspension package, safer, and weighs more.

What I found said the 04 545I 4.4 had 325 hp, and it's not cheaper than a Vette.

[Shodown]

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ARe you guys dumb?

why do you not want a factory supercharged v6?

Factory Forced induction cars are the ****.


What would you own? 260 hp supercharged 3.8L or a new 350Z motor that makes 300 hp N/A?

Easy, supercharged 3.8L, simple mods, and you will tear the piss out of a 350Z which on average are stuck in the 13s even with heavy mods, yet while people pushed the 3.8L into the 10s.

Give me a factory boosted car any day of the week.

No we are not dumb. If GM made a v6 that was ~250 hp N/A then it would be a f'ing beast with the addition of a supercharger/turbocharger. If it started with a sc then it is already that much more modified right out of the box not giving it as much room for improvement. Smaller pullies and it will run higher boost, but so what. Put a sc with small pullies on a N/A car and it will make TONS more hp.

[slow6]

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I would rather take the 300 hp 350z and boost it to my likeing. Are 350zs really stuck in the 13s even with extensive heavy mods? just doesnt sound right

[Camarorulz]

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HAHA, i read the whole article when I got that issue of MT. It's an interesting benchmark, but it's still bs until they can do an ACTUAL road test on a REAL car. I'm still looking forward to the new Camaros though, they will be fast with every engine, V6 and V8.

you guys should listen to what shenanigans is saying: boosted cars from the factory have more durable engine components that make them EASY to mod: if you put a better blower or a turbo on an L67 you can turn up the boost a lot more than on a motor that's made to run naturally aspirated. Something else to consider is torque: a 350Z makes about 280 LBS ft, about the same as a stock L67 motor. With more boost the L67 (or other blown engine) is making a LOT more than that. Enough weighing the alternatives though, a boosted V6 from the factory is a very torquey, powerful motor that's easy to upgrade, and with minimal mods can run circles around a 350Z.

[Shodown]

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I would rather take the 300 hp 350z and boost it to my likeing. Are 350zs really stuck in the 13s even with extensive heavy mods? just doesnt sound right

I agree.

And I dont think they are 'stuck' in the 13s either. There is one here in Omaha that has a single turbo and runs low 12s. :burn: Though I dont know what he spent on it. A BS flag could be called here cuz I cant prove it but you get the idea.

[Fireball27]

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GM really have to be careful here. I mean they've decided to bring back a classic to compete with not just the mustang, but everyother sports coupe thingy on the market. Quite frankly i think that theres gotta be a matter of pride involved here: the camaro name, and gms reputation (already shot as it is). It would be a HUGE mistake to release a car in 2009 that had any less than 250hp N/A, otherwise it won't be able to compete and they'll look like idiots. Then, after that.. if they want, they can release a supercharged version or whatever. In fact i'm all for having 4 different engine choices: base V6, blown V6, base V8, and god power :banana:

[lambo101]

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wouldn't it be the **** if the V6 had 280hp? :)

[Everglades W68]

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A factory supercharger on an f body that I can get a 100,000 mile warranty from GM? - That is great... Sign me up!

[Nikos95]

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What I found said the 04 545I 4.4 had 325 hp, and it's not cheaper than a Vette.

In 2003 they changed some things on Bmw's and the price went way up! In 2002 the 545I with the M suspension package, not including the M motor which brought her to around 500hp, the car ran just around 44k new.

[shenanigans]

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Problem is most high powered low displacement motors are the ones maxed out. Look at the S2000. Possibly one of the higher hp 4 bangers, it doesn't respond so well to boost, since its a high compression motor.


Same thing with the 350z. SO a 300 hp stock car, with a full single turbo conversion runs 12s? That is crap.


Wrong wheel drive gtps are doing the same with less mods, and more weight, and autos.

Factory boosted cars maxed out from the factory? LOL...



Dodge omni?
All DSM cars?
SRT-4?
GTPs
Grand nationals
WRXs
STi
Evos
Supra
Lightening
and the ever famous "terminator" the 03/04 Cobra


yep they have all proven no major gains in power over stock. LOL

[flyfrito_SS]

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They said in the Mag times would be higher, becasue wind resistance and tires, were NOT factored in.

[Shodown]

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Problem is most high powered low displacement motors are the ones maxed out. Look at the S2000. Possibly one of the higher hp 4 bangers, it doesn't respond so well to boost, since its a high compression motor.


Same thing with the 350z. SO a 300 hp stock car, with a full single turbo conversion runs 12s? That is crap.


Wrong wheel drive gtps are doing the same with less mods, and more weight, and autos.

Factory boosted cars maxed out from the factory? LOL...



Dodge omni?
All DSM cars?
SRT-4?
GTPs
Grand nationals
WRXs
STi
Evos
Supra
Lightening
and the ever famous "terminator" the 03/04 Cobra


yep they have all proven no major gains in power over stock. LOL

Look, you have a good reputation on this site and have been here awhile so I dont want to argue and this already turned into a pissing contest when it shouldnt have. My whole point is that GM already has a supercharged v6 making 260 hp. In 2-3 years they will still be using it when everyone else can make the same hp without boost? Come on man, thats not making any progression if you ask me.

Your absolutely right, the cars you metioned are fast but... the Omni? :twak: lol

[Nikos95]

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There is a good point here..

Gm would be much better off staying out of the Force Fed from the factory vehicles. This is what helps keep the Viper and the Vette standing on top. Everyone knows just like Nitro, Force Feeding is engine wearing and stressful, even if you build for it, it still hurts your motor a little faster than normal.

The market for the Camaro is all wrong to come supercharged anyways, most people who want the kick will buy the V8 models, and for most the guys like us, we will want to do the work anyways right? Well they know that as well as we do.

[slow6]

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(displacement + high compression) > (FI + low compression)
"Theres no replacement for displacement" .................... "and good engine building" -my quote. ;)
high Boost = gas killer
I dont think of factory boosted cars as high performance, I think of them as gas-Economical. Although the Terminators are bad azz!
MustangEater/Eric/Shenanigans, I agree with you, but please refrain from the sarcasms. Its hard for nuubs to understand. ;)

Lets look at the 2006 GM engines:
3.9L N/A v6 Impala = 240 hp
3.5L N/A v6 Impala = 211 hp
5.3L N/A v8 Impala = 303 hp with D.O.D.

G6s:
3.9L v6 = 240 hp / 241 tq
3.5L v6 = 201 hp / 223 tq
2.4L v4 = 167 hp / 162 tq

Grand Prixs!
5.3L N/A v8 = 303 hp / 323 tq "LS4" Displacement on Demand 0-60 in 5.7secs
GT(supered) 3800 Series 3 v6 = 260 hp / 280 tq
N/A 3800 Series 3 3.8L = 200 hp / 230 tq

Silverados:
Vortec 6000 v8 = 345 hp / 380 tq (more than ford, toyota, Hemi)
Vortec 4300 v6 = 195 hp
Vortec 4800 v8 = 285 hp/ 295 tq
Vortec 8100 BB v8 = 330 hp / 450 tq
Vortec 5300 v8 = 310 hp / 335 tq
duramax 6600 v8 = 650 tq (turbo diesel)

[vanbibber]

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[QUOTE=Nikos95]There is a good point here..

Gm would be much better off staying out of the Force Fed from the factory vehicles. This is what helps keep the Viper and the Vette standing on top. Everyone knows just like Nitro, Force Feeding is engine wearing and stressful, even if you build for it, it still hurts your motor a little faster than normal.
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youre kidding right? gm makes pretty damn good fi motors. my wifes 92 park avenue 3.8 supercharged motor is close to hitting the 300k mark. and still runs like its brand new. there are alot of high mileage gtps,bonnies,and etc that still run like the day they came off the showroom floor even when modded.

a supercharged v6 camaro has nothing to do with the vette or viper thats comparing apples to oranges anyways.

as far as erics list. outside the omni and dsms all of those cars are very reliable,stock or modded.