So your on welfare....

[Infernal]

Re: So your on welfare....

You guys shouldn't really generalize. You're complaining because you're poor right now. Well you're poor because you are a college student and that's normal. Plus you have mommy and daddy to help out if you need it. Once you graduate, you're living the good life.

Were you referring to me?

I'm 31 years old, I make $75,000 a year. I'm far from rich, but I'm far from poor. I'd be a lot closer to rich if over a third of my paycheck was not taken from me and redistributed to deadbeats who refuse to work.

Social programs are fine. Even necessary. But they are abused, maintained and adminstered by incompetence -- generally speaking -- and don't help anyone out of poverty.

[Infernal]

Re: So your on welfare....

Thats cause he was abducted by aliens and the told him the truths of the world.

Shhhh. :)

[Mighty Thor]

Re: So your on welfare....

Were you referring to me?

I'm 31 years old, I make $75,000 a year. I'm far from rich, but I'm far from poor. I'd be a lot closer to rich if over a third of my paycheck was not taken from me and redistributed to deadbeats who refuse to work.

Social programs are fine. Even necessary. But they are abused, maintained and adminstered by incompetence -- generally speaking -- and don't help anyone out of poverty.

No not at all. But damn, you make way more than I do. Way more :(

[Infernal]

Re: So your on welfare....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not like some cold hearted bastard. I understand the need for these programs, which is why I would never call for them to be eliminated. I would just like to see the abuse stopped, the cost reduced, and the effectiveness increased.

What really bothers me is that the root of this problem always comes back to the fact that so many people at poverty level insist on reproducing. The poor are reproducing at a rate that is very significantly higher than the middle class, the ones who can afford to take care of the children they produce. It's sad, because one of the reasons the middle class isn't reproducing is that we don't have the time to take care of a child properly. Work hours are crazy.

Yes, I make a decent living, but I also work 10.5 to 12 hours a day, 5 days a week, and more hours on top of that to supplement my income with consulting work. I'm single, and not really interested in kids or the family life, but there are plenty in my position who are, and won't have kids because they know the kids would be neglected.

Meanwhile, we're the middle class are supporting all these children in poverty because these people simply will not stop reproducing.

Think of how much more simple this would be if there were no children involved. Unfortunately, that simply isn't the case, so we're stuck when it comes to reform. How can you reduce funding to children? How can you force someone to work and not provide care for their children while they work? It's a real f'ed up piece of work.

I wish I had a solution.

[Mighty Thor]

Re: So your on welfare....

What really bothers me is that the root of this problem always comes back to the fact that so many people at poverty level insist on reproducing. The poor are reproducing at a rate that is very significantly higher than the middle class, the ones who can afford to take care of the children they produce. It's sad, because one of the reasons the middle class isn't reproducing is that we don't have the time to take care of a child properly. Work hours are crazy.

Think of how much more simple this would be if there were no children involved. Unfortunately, that simply isn't the case, so we're stuck when it comes to reform. How can you reduce funding to children? How can you force someone to work and not provide care for their children while they work? It's a real f'ed up piece of work.

I wish I had a solution.

Having a family and kids to care for is an innate thing for all society.

Well the act of procreation is a recreation for all class of society. The frequency of sexual activity for all classes are the same.

Middle class, more so for upper middle class, upper class and the extreme upper class has way more recreational activity on top of their sex life. They're more conscious with how they have sex or handle sex because they don't want to be burden with children and lose part their recreational activity, or part of their wealth

Now the lower class who are "uneducated," 90% of the time does not have authoritative parents, often times no fathers for role model. They would get careless with their sexuality.

Most of the time they are looking for love because they themselves never experience that at home. Sexuality is often times confused for love and this is a fact. More true for women than for men.

Men by nature are beast who will take advantage of women who open themselves up to them thinking that they are receiving love. Once the baby comes into this, a lot of the men are gone. And this is where the problem begins.

The true solution is to educate the lower class and give them goals to live for. But with poor circumstances, poor parental role, lack of father figure, environmental influence, peer influence, and mass media's obscure presentation of sex base shows they are badly influence. For every one positive thing in their lives, there's a hundred negative things that brings them down. So you see the solution is not so easy.

We are not a homogeneous society. There will always be poor among us.

[Infernal]

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But with poor circumstances, poor parental role, lack of father figure, environmental influence, peer influence, and mass media's obscure presentation of sex base shows they are badly influence. For every one positive thing in their lives, there's a hundred negative things that brings them down. So you see the solution is not so easy.

I have the unique perspective of being able to place the blame on the individual, rather than the environment, lack of a father figure, and peer and media influence.

I grew up poor, without a father figure. I was a high school dropout. I was a product of a harsh and unforgiving juvenile justice system, and I made a decision to thrive, and I did.

I educated myself, I obtained a college degree, I taught myself mathematics, physics, and science. I worked my way up the corporate ladder from "random web programmer grunt" at age 24 to a respectable development position at a global mega corporation at age 31. The company I work for ranked #142 on the Fortune 500 index for 2006. I learned how to be a respectable citizen, and to operate in a civil society.

But, all along, I knew that the qualities I needed to express were innate qualities already within myself.

My question is simple: why can others not do the same. There is ample opportunity in this country. Is it an inborn deficiency? What is the reason?

For this reason, and more, I may not have as much sympathy for the poor in American than others. For this reason, it irritates me when people choose to live on handouts taken from me unwillingly rather than to work towards self improvement.

[Shirl]

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WIC is offered to anyone who is having a child. i dont count that as part of welfare, UNLESS... its some ***hole who has 29983 kids.

Sounds like my neighbors. All I hear all day long (on the weekends when I'm working on my cars) is screaming... these people don't work, they just mess with their babies and aggrivate them all day so they scream and cry.

BTW, one trick they use is to be single mothers. YOU NEVER see a man around. You know why? This is how they get $$$. I never knew that until one of my hispanic students told me his sister was having a baby and that her boyfriend was such a "great guy". I said "if he's such a great guy, why aren't they getting married?" and he said... "because she gets money that way."

[Mighty Thor]

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I have the unique perspective of being able to place the blame on the individual, rather than the environment, lack of a father figure, and peer and media influence.

I grew up poor, without a father figure. I was a high school dropout. I was a product of a harsh and unforgiving juvenile justice system, and I made a decision to thrive, and I did.

I educated myself, I obtained a college degree, I taught myself mathematics, physics, and science. I worked my way up the corporate ladder from "random web programmer grunt" at age 24 to a respectable development position at a global mega corporation at age 31. The company I work for ranked #142 on the Fortune 500 index for 2006. I learned how to be a respectable citizen, and to operate in a civil society.

But, all along, I knew that the qualities I needed to express were innate qualities already within myself.

My question is simple: why can others not do the same. There is ample opportunity in this country. Is it an inborn deficiency? What is the reason?

For this reason, and more, I may not have as much sympathy for the poor in American than others. For this reason, it irritates me when people choose to live on handouts taken from me unwillingly rather than to work towards self improvement.

Well your story and even mine is one of the few who did succeed. You succeeded more than I did.

But you should understand that success breeds success and failure breeds failure.

I sympathy more with the poor more than you probably because I chose to expose myself to them and continue to help and work with them out as much as I can.

'nuff said.

[Savorybacon]

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Basically, overall prob. is ignorance and lack of education. Maybe? That's what I am thinking. I am just trying to sort this all out. Not that I can do anything but I guess it would help to understand the situation. It's just that in my eyes all these stereotypes about these people seem to come to life right in front of my eyes when I am at work it just kills me to see that and makes me HIGHLY IRRITATED...

[BLLDOGG]

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Some is ignorance and lack of education....very small some if really any. Most are lack of discipline, self induced lack of education for various reasons but its still self induced. Drug and alcohol addictions. Once again, self induced. I have never met someone who seriously tried to succeed and didn't. Most don't want to work and would rather live in poverty than keep a steady job. These opinions are based off of actually experiences living around such people. I have no sympathy for the average Welfare person. I knew this guy from when I was in Vo-tech and he dropped out cause I didn't feel like going and quiet his job cause he knew he could get more money than what he was making by getting welfare, unemployment, etc including whatever he got for his two kids.

[99 RS Camaro]

Re: So your on welfare....

So your on welfare and you drive a new Denali with 22s, or a Navi on 22s.

****, i aint seen no welfare people sittin on 22's in a denali or navi.
hell, if thats the case, sign me up, id pimp 22 inches of chrome under a denali!!