Will the draft come back?

[Vanquish]

Re: Will the draft come back?

Isn't for 2 years though. And once your service is done it's done. You have the option to pusue a career in the military or not.

If this were true for us I wouldn't mine doing 2 year military service.

I believe the Navy or the AF has the shortest enlistment time and I know one of them is 2 years. Check it out if you want to join. But, spending 2 years in the military isn't really worth it if you think about pay and what not. You will make more money and not have to go through as much crap just by staying home and getting a job at McDonald's.

Though, I would strongly suggest joining, once you get past basic(which is the fun part) it's a breeze. Who knows, maybe you will see that it isn't that bad and pursue a career out of it, that's where the real money is to be made.

[crushedout]

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I believe the Navy or the AF has the shortest enlistment time and I know one of them is 2 years. Check it out if you want to join. But, spending 2 years in the military isn't really worth it if you think about pay and what not. You will make more money and not have to go through as much crap just by staying home and getting a job at McDonald's.

Though, I would strongly suggest joining, once you get past basic(which is the fun part) it's a breeze. Who knows, maybe you will see that it isn't that bad and pursue a career out of it, that's where the real money is to be made.

As for basic basic being a breeze, alot of people would argue that. I wouldn't but my dad was an *** to me growing up so the air force mind games were nothing to me but other people really broke down. The other branches can be pretty fiscal so its not a breeze for everyone.

After two years at Mcdonalds in my hometown you will be up to a wopping 6 bucks an hour maybe, so you wont be making more money. As for making real money as a career. Not so much if your enlisted which most people are. Be struggling, no, but for most technical jobs you will be making far under what you would make in civilian sector. And people talk about the medical. Ha! My shoulder is messed up cause of their medical and I've been waiting on disability to kick in for almost a year and half and they keep B.S. ing me.

Seeing that their downsizing I think they have too many people in and a mandatory enlistment from 18-20 would not work. Honestly most of the 18 y/o that I had to work with got on everyones nerves cause they had no sense of respect. I left the night I graduated H.S. for basic and when I got to my first base they thought I was at least 24 cause I wasn't acting like a fool. In all reality I had just turned 19 a couple weeks prior. I wasn't the only one that was "ready" to be in military that was young but most wern't. It usually works for kids that have tried to make it in the real world with out mommy and daddy and have all but failed. They know what its like out there and do what they gotta. Maybe I did all right cause I moved out when I was 16 so I knew what it was like. Either way, the military wasn't for me but I tell everyone it's what you make of it. If the goverment makes you go you probably won't have a good time and will hate it.

Air Force has shortest basic.
I believe the Army and Nave both have an option to sign for 2 years.

Boom, I love google I was right Army and Navy. http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joini...yearenlist.htm

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Air Force has shortest basic.
I believe the Army and Nave both have an option to sign for 2 years.

Boom, I love google I was right Army and Navy. http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joini...yearenlist.htm

That article was dated 2003, so I don't know if they still have that or not, and it did say for "some recruits". Add in your training time (Basic, and AIT or Tech School) and you looking at maybe another 6 months tops. Then another 6 years on the inactive reserve. You have read between the lines in that. If you're in a unit, and they aren't deploying, and you get out, just to get orders from the inactive reserve saying you're going with the unit that is, just because they need someone with your job.

Rob

[BLLDOGG]

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As for basic basic being a breeze, alot of people would argue that.

I know what you mean but I don't think you understand what basic training is today. It has been Clintonized and is no where as harsh as maybe 20yrs ago.

[SilverRS96]

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my basic and ait together was a little over 18 weeks...haha basic is a breeze...do u run 5 miles a day or somethin? do u get screamed at all day? is ur job so physically strainin that u think all of those factors combined means nothin? thats to whoever thinks basic is a breeze...sure its not like how it was back in the day but its not a cake walk by any means

[V6Bob]

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Most of these guys said there's no Alqueeda in Iraq before we came. Yeah right, there's Alqueeda all over the world and even in the U.S. but not in Iraq.

Wow, that's so flat wrong I don't believe it. Most of those people were Bush people. Perle and Adelman are neocons who were powerful movers behind the push for war. Look 'em up. Bottom line, that group of people ain't liberals.

And there were few terrorists in Iraq before the war, and they had their heads down. Saddam ran a completely secular government and he and the Islamic terrorists were enemies. Fact.

I had a very interesting discussion with my co-worker who happens to be an historian. Once those are eliminated, the people can start their lives all over again. Just like Germany and Japan, they'll come out as a strong nation.

Wow again. Iraq was a creation of the British in the early 1900s, and a really bad one. The various Iraqi groups hate and fear each other, always have. They were only held together by a strong dictator. When we leave there'll be war. That happens if we leave tomorrow or if we leave in ten years. Germany and Japan were strong united countries before the war. It's completely different. I can't believe a historian wouldn't understand how different the situations are.

"Britain imposed a Hāshimite monarchy on Iraq and defined the territorial limits of Iraq without taking into account the politics of the different ethnic and religious groups in the country, in particular those of the Kurds to the north. Britain had to put down a major Kurdish revolt between 1920 and 1922."

[BLLDOGG]

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it easy to ignore the difference when you think you know it all but are clouded by opinion.

I support the split of Iraq

[Mighty Thor]

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Wow, that's so flat wrong I don't believe it. Most of those people were Bush people. Perle and Adelman are neocons who were powerful movers behind the push for war. Look 'em up. Bottom line, that group of people ain't liberals.

And there were few terrorists in Iraq before the war, and they had their heads down. Saddam ran a completely secular government and he and the Islamic terrorists were enemies. Fact.

Wow again. Iraq was a creation of the British in the early 1900s, and a really bad one. The various Iraqi groups hate and fear each other, always have. They were only held together by a strong dictator. When we leave there'll be war. That happens if we leave tomorrow or if we leave in ten years. Germany and Japan were strong united countries before the war. It's completely different. I can't believe a historian wouldn't understand how different the situations are.

"Britain imposed a Hāshimite monarchy on Iraq and defined the territorial limits of Iraq without taking into account the politics of the different ethnic and religious groups in the country, in particular those of the Kurds to the north. Britain had to put down a major Kurdish revolt between 1920 and 1922."

I didn't say all and I am right by saying that we already won this war but have problem securing it because of terrorist and it is under Iraq gov. now. But you are wrong about most generals. Most generals are in support of this. As a matter of fact they wanted Bush to go into Iraq because of what Saddam was doing with it Food for Oil program and to the WMD inspectors. A lot of them are pissed off at Clinton for not taking action during his presidency.

Saddam did not ran a secular gov. You're wrong on that one. You're talking about a dictatorship. Saddam shoot one of his cabinet members during one of his meeting because he was giving him a headache.

Most of the news media, people's education, occupation and their pay, sports (athletes controlled by his sons), trade, and a whole slew of list were tightly control by Saddam. Women, men ,children what they wear, how they conduct themselves were totally controlled by Saddam.

I just watched the BCC news and I just saw drag racing in Iraq (to bad it they rice cars), boat racing, reality shows (survivor type), wrap music, libraries with liberal arts books and selling of Japanese and American goods in Iraq. Such things that Saddam has prevented--Things you don't see in our main stream media. People making money now that's secularism. Even in a conservative Islamic world that considered extreme.

Historically, Iraq used to be Mesopotamia (a land that abram came from). Muslim conquest on the 7th ce. by Mohammad's cousin Kufa. It later got occupied by the Ottoman's Turk. During WWI the Ottoman Turks sided with German and when they lost the war they lost Iraq to the British. The Ottoman Turk quickly went into desolution.

The one you are saying, Hashemite revival only lasted till 1958, because there was a coup de tat by the Iraqi Army which brought Qassim into power. But in 1968 and Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party took over which placed Saddam high in authority. This is where heavy bloodshed was happening. Strong opponents within the party were executed and so were their families and in 1979 Saddam was firmly set with no one to oppose him. I don't want to get into the Iran-Iraq war that's too long, and what Saddam did to the Kurds and Shiites. But note to yourself that Saddam was becoming very powerful and a threat.

Recent news shows that Iraq has now good relationship with Iran and Syria. Countries that didn't get along with Iraq back then when Saddam was in power. Another progress made, no big deal, right?

[V6Bob]

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Recent news shows that Iraq has now good relationship with Iran and Syria. Countries that didn't get along with Iraq back then when Saddam was in power. Another progress made, no big deal, right?

Sure, it's progress. For the terrorists. Iraq now has a good relationship with two major sponsors of terrorist organizations. Just great. Saddam took all the power for himself and Islamic fundamentalists had little power in his country. Now, supported by Syria and Iran, they'll very likely end up running the place, and it will be a friendly place for terrorists, which it was not under Saddam.

The second worst thing about the Iraq war is that it's been good for the terrorists and made us less safe. The worst thing is that so many of our brave soldiers have been killed and wounded.

[3.4 slow to go]

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^^ I feel like I'm reading DNC game plan talking points.

If only all peeps would've been this "serious" about traffic fatalities over teh past three yrs.......