Need some help writing agreements with parents

[Steel]

This thread is not about why you don't think I get a Camaro. This thread is not about how much third generation Camaros suck. If you don't have anything helpfully to say, shad up.
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Mother and Father,

I need to ask you for a loan and for permission to buy a car. I know that I am asking a lot, so but I think that by letting me have this car, we can come to some agreement that will benefit us both. With this I plan on making some huge changes on my part, paying you back with cash, as well as with some terms that will be discussed later in this page.

So, I pretty much found my dream car, and it is $600. I think you might be able to help me with talking the dealer down, though.

The largest engine available on an 84 Camaro Z28 was the 5.0 305, a commonly scorned engine, but this 84 has a 350, meaning someone, sometime had really loved this car and wanted to get max performance from it. The car has absolutely no body damage (according to the dealer) and has been halfway primered. It also needs the transmission rebuilt. I will cover all repair costs after paying you for the car while I am still driving the Datsun.

The Datsun will not be sold until the Camaro is safe/functional to your standards.

I have been doing my research on this, and a transmission is going to cost about $1000 depending on how I choose to address it. You would not be, in any way, shape, or form, obligated to help me fix this car, though I may sometimes request (ahead of time) space in the garage and heater use. I would try to make sure the car was out of your way by the time I was done (there may be infrequent extenuating circumstances.)

I have been failing my chores lately. I am sure you are thinking that I am not responsible enough to have a car like this, and I hope I can prove you wrong. I'm not promising that I will never ever speed, but I am promising that I will not drive this car in a careless fashion just because of the fact that I will love it to death, and wouldn't want to risk it. I also guarantee, I have no interest in street racing. I will never do it in a car that I own, because it's stupid. I do hope to get into drag and auto cross though. This is all just talk right now.

To prove my responsibility, I have this bargain for you:

* -All chores for that day will be completed WITHOUT BEING TOLD before I go to bed, no exceptions. (I simply cannot promise to get my bed made every day, too many mornings are rushed.)
* -My room will be orderly and in a not-messy state, excluding my desk.
* -Half of the insurance payments will be provided at the beginning of every month (I found insurance for $175 a month with this car. E-surance is cheap).



If any of these three requirements are not met, I am on "probation" from my car. This means my car is allowed only to travel to-and-from school, and work, and on your guy's errands. I cannot beg and plead for an exception, and you are not allowed to hassle me if I'm not meeting these requirements. If I don't meet the requirements, I do not drive anywhere but school and work. YELLING/BEGGING are a direct violation of this contract.

I am responsible for all upkeep/ maintenance, and if the car is in a non-mobile state, I will be forced to take the buss. I will not even ask for the use of one of your vehicles. I will not ask to borrow money to fix it. No, this car is my responsibility, and you will never be required to touch it (not saying I won't occasionally ask for help, but you are not obligated to do so).

You guys are concerned about my grades. Well, this car is the solution to this problem as well. It's simple, if any grade drops below a B, then I am on a minimum 3 week long probation, and then at the end of the three weeks if the grade is not above a B then it is another 3 weeks. My grades are my business until report card day, or I am placed on probation.

So, that is all the responsibility stuff, now for what's in it for you.

I will prep the Chevrolet to be painted. This MUST be done before I am permitted to transfer the insurance to the Camaro and start driving it regularly. I am hoping to have the Chevrolet and the Camaro painted at the same time (You will pay for the actual painting, all I'm offering is the paint removal and the sanding).

This gets rid of the need for anger, yelling, and the other crap that causes problems between us. If my grades fall, no yelling. I know the consequences. All you have to say is what I failed to do, and I know what that means.

Things I am asking:

* The money to buy this car as a loan (I will pay you back in full).
* Once painted, I would like to find a parking spot not under that tree.
* If I want to refuse to give Charice a ride because she will get the inside of my car dirty or anything else along those lines, that is my right.
* You will have keys to my car, but you will treat it like the same respect you would treat Uncle Darrel’s car when he lived here.



Cliff notes:

* If I fail to demonstrate my responsibility as laid out in this contract, I am no longer aloud to drive places other than work and school.
* If I fail do my chores, or my grades drop, then there is no yelling, just consequences.
* You will treat my car with respect as if it were belonging to an equal.


Mom: ________________________________________________

Dad: ________________________________________________

Joe: ________________________________________________

**Any violations of this contract will result in car being placed on blocks for an appropriate amount of time.

[00 Silver 6]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

id lose the part about the speeding, and anything else that isnt a positive point... when i was begging my mom to let me sell my car to get my camaro i found that whenever a negative point was brought up, even to help my cause, it never worked out the way i wanted. only focus on positive and responsible things, and theyll go for it more easily

good luck!

[Vanquish]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

Also, I would remove any part where you tell them what their choice of action is going to be when it comes to you. Let them know that they are the grown ups here, they choose how they will discipline you, not some pre-written contract that you have come up with.

Even though the punishments you have given as disciplinary violations are pretty good ones and reasonable, parents do not like to be told how to discipline/raise their own child, especially from that child.

Other than that, and the speeding/street racing part it's a pretty good agreement I suppose.

[Steel]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

I got a speeding ticket about two months ago, and they found out about me street racing when I first got my license. I don't street race any more, it was stupid and I learned my lesson.

See, with my parents, if I am completely positive, they will write it off as a bunch of bull ****. If i give them something to focus on, then i can argue one point instead of 12.

Hmm. I will think about the punishment part... its a good point.

Well, I'm going to clean my room so that when dad mentions how nice it is, I can move into this.

[Vanquish]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

Good thinking, always start on your part before being asked or mentioning that you are doing it because of.......................something you are about to show them. They will see that the incentive is there.

As for the parts of the punishments, just replace it with, "If I fail to hold to these said terms, you have the right to punish me at your disgression and as you see fit. Upon excessive failure to uphold to these said terms, you have the right to terminate this agreement at your will."

[UDLOSE98]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

Personally I think the car is too much work, cant believe its at a dealership? anyways I think that is a pretty big strike against you.

[UDLOSE98]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

also, I bought my 87 Z when I was 16, all my own money and about double the price fo that one, do you have a job?

[Steel]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

also, I bought my 87 Z when I was 16, all my own money and about double the price for that one, do you have a job?

Yes, but I'm also in an accelerated youth program, so I'm driving 60 miles a day to go to college right now.

In Washington its illegal to hire a 16 year old for more than 24 hours a week, I cant be a waiter or deliver driver, or anything else that receives tips. I answer the phones at pizza hut.

Im sorry, but I think it is just more difficult as a 16 year old in todays world to get anything worth having.

I also really like the idea of doing the work to the car. These are some cools skills I could use anyway. Also, I have looked all over the place, and finding a third gen V8 with a manual is difficult.

This one even has T-Tops.

[UDLOSE98]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

Yes, but I'm also in an accelerated youth program, so I'm driving 60 miles a day to go to college right now.

In Washington its illegal to hire a 16 year old for more than 24 hours a week, I cant be a waiter or deliver driver, or anything else that receives tips. I answer the phones at pizza hut.

Im sorry, but I think it is just more difficult as a 16 year old in todays world to get anything worth having.

I also really like the idea of doing the work to the car. These are some cools skills I could use anyway. Also, I have looked all over the place, and finding a third gen V8 with a manual is difficult.

This one even has T-Tops.

Trust me I know, I do ALL of my own work on my car, there are pics all over the lobby. For me I just cant see buying a car that needs that work done to it. I mean if you wanna buy a working car then upgrade it, go for it, but i couldnt see paying money for something that is broken, not at 16 and for me, not at 21.

[Leem927]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

I would just wait a little while

[V6Bob]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

Sounds like there's been some trouble at home. If I was a parent (I'm an old guy) I'd view this as a positive step, even if I didn't like the idea and said no. It's good communication, it's trying to make things better. I have no clue how _your_ parents will react. No clue about them, you, or your history together.

This reads like your honest thoughts. I'd keep most all of it, including the speeding/street racing thing that others suggest you lose. I might lose the bit about the 350. It's unlikely they care except perhaps they'd be happier if it had at most four cylinders. But, as I said, it's clear that this is your honest thought, so maybe keep that too.

If they say yes, good. If they say no, I'd ask them what their ideas for improving things are.

[Oi Bird V8]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

haha good luck bud...my parents wanted me to sell my bird when i wrecked my 500 beater..... they are totally agianst the bird and didnt want me to have it i had to beg them

[SpeedingFirebird]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

Instead of a letter, I would approach them verbally. Mention you have a "contract" that explains the terms. if they agree, have them review the contract and made addendums. Paper is cold and informal. Sincerity only comes through in person.

With that said, remove the word "bargain". It sounds cheap. "Mother and Father" sounds too formal.

[Steel]

Re: Need some help writing agreements with parents

Well, I mostly left it alone. My dad is an auto mechanic, and my mother used to work at a tranny shop. They know their stuff pretty good, and the biggest thing they are scared of is me and my pride. They know that I can rarely back down from a challange, espeshely if i think i will win.

My cuzzen (who is my age and very like me) and I have both already done some stupid stuff togeather that lost us our parents trust. I learned my lesson though, and I'm done with it. I did some street racing, some showing off, and then had to fess up when I crashed.

They dont think I have learned my lesson, but I know that I want this car for show and for an occasional night at the track. Yes, I want it to be faster than mustangs, but if there was ever any kind of race it would be a "0-speed limit" like most of the races that happen at my school.

My mother asked for a contract, so I wrote one. Verbaly my dad would talk himself out of this before he had considered everything. Mom wants to do it, Dad isnt so hott on the idea...

I hope this works out well...

[notsonic]

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my parents like my car.

the also know its slow as hell.

i think itll be pretty impossible to get your parents to agree to buying a car that needs work unless theyre gearheads themselves. and youd have to be young enough where its like a father/son project instead of it being like your car.

also what state are you in? $175 a month is more than i pay and im in nj.

id hold out and save up for a 4th gen or just something that doesnt need a buttload of work/time/money dumped into it. especially if youre in an accelerated education program. itll kill your grades.

and street racing is ****ing stupid. speed kills.