David Beckham

[Vanquish]

Re: David Beckham

Soccer blows. Boring sport. Wanna watch players moving a ball around and get bloody, injured, and pounded, watch rugby. Wanna watch a sport where it takes half a brain to play AND understand, watch Futbol Americano, aka NFL. Soccer is a simple-minded game for simple-minded people. Hell, I didn't know who David Beckam was until I found out he's married to that Spice girl.

Soccer will never have a rock to stand on in the US because of Football. The ratings and statistics don't lie, seeing as the Superbowl is the most watched television event in the world.

That was a simple-minded response. Obviously you don't know how much endurance and skill it takes to play soccer. They don't get breaks like you do in football. I don't even like soccer, but know enough to know it isn't a simple-minded game. And people get pounded and injured in soccer as well, which make it cool to watch.

Also, I recall a few years ago that the World Cup was watched by more people than the Superbowl........so your statistics aren't completely accurate.

[BLLDOGG]

Re: David Beckham

prove that stat

[BLLDOGG]

Re: David Beckham

That was a simple-minded response. Obviously you don't know how much endurance and skill it takes to play soccer. They don't get breaks like you do in football. I don't even like soccer, but know enough to know it isn't a simple-minded game. And people get pounded and injured in soccer as well, which make it cool to watch.

agreed. its not like soccer is this simple, easy game any tard can play

[Heartbeat_of_94]

Re: David Beckham

prove that stat

"An average of 260 million people tuned in to see Italy claim its fourth title after winning 5-3 in a penalty shootout. More than 600 million viewers watched some part of the Berlin match.

The final of the quadrennial tournament relegated the Super Bowl to second spot in this year's ratings, though the Pittsburgh Steelers' 21-10 victory over the Seattle Seahawks in February drew a global average audience of 98 million..."

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...efer=intsports

...granted those are world-wide stats for the 2006 World Cup final...i couldn't find stats solely for the US.

[stevethepirate]

Re: David Beckham

a lot of people think that soccer is boring because of the low scores. some of the best games i think have been tied 0-0. if you are watching it to see sick goals, dont bother. sure, there are plenty of amazing plays that result in really nice goals, but thats not the point. a good game flows nicely, not stopping like american football. theyre two completely different sports though. i personally love watching both. its not like one is better than the other...

[BLLDOGG]

Re: David Beckham

"An average of 260 million people tuned in to see Italy claim its fourth title after winning 5-3 in a penalty shootout. More than 600 million viewers watched some part of the Berlin match.

The final of the quadrennial tournament relegated the Super Bowl to second spot in this year's ratings, though the Pittsburgh Steelers' 21-10 victory over the Seattle Seahawks in February drew a global average audience of 98 million..."

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...efer=intsports

...granted those are world-wide stats for the 2006 World Cup final...i couldn't find stats solely for the US.

exactly my point. when really the entire world except America watches soccer, of course those international numbers will weigh in their favor.

[Fireball27]

Re: David Beckham

exactly my point. when really the entire world except America watches soccer, of course those international numbers will weigh in their favor.

Well Mogobs did say that the Superbowl was the most watched sporting in the World.

[Fireball27]

Re: David Beckham

way to twist words...congrats on being a master manipulator. you know what i meant so don't try and put words in my mouth. this entire time i have been referring to this past world cup. he played for a world cup team this past year...which is still recent...therefore...good enough to play on one still...i seriously doubt he got so terrible all of the sudden that he wouldn't have been able to perform the way he did in this past world cup. the fact is he played on a world cup team within the last year.

Whoa there. Nobodys twisting words, i was merely quoting what you said and argueing it. You're right he did play for England in this recent World Cup in Germany, and you're right that he didn't get "so terrible" all of a sudden. He got terrible slowly over the course of a decade. I'm serious, the World Cup shows us who is doing well, and who is blowing goats, and David Beckham is blowing goats.

The only reason he was on the team in the first place was because he's the team captain and one of the "ol' boys" and not exactly somebody you cut on a whim, even if they're playing poorly. Hell, we had David Seaman in net for like 500 years, so obviously England management is a little conservative when it comes to choosing the lineup.

If you watched England's games you would have noticed that Beckham was sluggish, sloppy, and uninspired, and in at least 2 games had to be taken out before full time. By the end of the tournament he'd all but been relegated to taking free kicks... Not exactly something you want out any world cup player, let alone your captain. So you see it was infact his latest world cup performance that got him sacked in the first place. So no, he's not good enough for a World Cup team.

as for fulham...i was naming clubs...big deal if fulham isn't a huge one...you think just because it isn't man u or barcelona that they don't even deserve to be mentioned? very narrow minded. what about teams like southend utd....or west ham...not the biggest names but they still managed to take down man u this past year...hmm..."kinda weird"

Jesus Christ. I was merely pointing out that Fulham was a bit of an odd one out in that group of teams you mentioned (which were the creme de la creme of football), hence my analogy with the NFL. I personally have nothing against Fulham, or Southend United, or the Hammers, or even Yeovil for that matter either. Now calm down and stop putting words in my mouth

[Mogobs30th]

Re: David Beckham

Well Mogobs did say that the Superbowl was the most watched sporting in the World.

Im still right......the Bloomberg info is wrong.....here's some proof....

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-...age-152538.php

First number there is worldwide television audience, and if I can read that correctly, it says 1 billion. Remember, this is only ONE game, thats it, not a series of games, just ONE game. Now...this number is not a LIVE number, meaning that this is not the amount of people watching the game LIVE. This is the amount of people that watch it in a 24 hour span, which includes replays, highlights, and such.


Now, from the same site, the World Cup in its entirety gets 5 billion viewers, but that is a series of games being played, (and I have no clue how many).

But for now, I will stop talking about a world-wide market, and talk about the only market that really matters, the US market, cause I really don't give a rats a** what germans, english, italians and brazilians think in the first place.

you try running up and down a 125yd field while still managing to concentrate on controlling the ball with your feet and having awareness of both the field and the players around you for 45 minutes, no timeouts, and only 3 substitutions per game. its not so simple...

Seems simple enough to me. Kick the ball in a straight line, if someone is in the way, kick it in another direction. Keep kicking the ball till you get near the goal, and kick it again to get in the goal. Only difficult part there is getting it past the moron guarding the net, who would easily get kicked in the junk if he were in my way.

And whoever is trying to make soccer out to be some tough dangerous sport....STOP THAT. Its not. 98% of injury on a soccer field is most likely a result of an accident from some Brazilian trying to get the ball. The whole point of football is....to take the person to the ground.

Ever see the people that play soccer professionally? They look like metro-sexual emo people, the kind of person that if you slapped some football pads on, given a pigskin, and told to run around someone like Brian Urlacher (or better yet, the Eagles player that knocked the living hell out of Reggie Bush last night) they would have serious internal injuries. I will give them this much, soccer players are good athletes, im not questioning their athletisicm, im questioning the the toughness of their sport.

[3.4 slow to go]

Re: David Beckham

who cares about the playees, it's al about the fans.. RIOTING!!!!!!!!!!!

Just imagine the carnage as the Detroit Union take on the LA Looters? Or the San Antonio Hydro Hombres take on the SanFranfrieako Tulips?

just a thought. Soccer is such a peaceful sport.

[Fbody3400]

Re: David Beckham

Im still right......the Bloomberg info is wrong.....here's some proof....

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-...age-152538.php

First number there is worldwide television audience, and if I can read that correctly, it says 1 billion. Remember, this is only ONE game, thats it, not a series of games, just ONE game. Now...this number is not a LIVE number, meaning that this is not the amount of people watching the game LIVE. This is the amount of people that watch it in a 24 hour span, which includes replays, highlights, and such.


Now, from the same site, the World Cup in its entirety gets 5 billion viewers, but that is a series of games being played, (and I have no clue how many).

But for now, I will stop talking about a world-wide market, and talk about the only market that really matters, the US market, cause I really don't give a rats a** what germans, english, italians and brazilians think in the first place.



Seems simple enough to me. Kick the ball in a straight line, if someone is in the way, kick it in another direction. Keep kicking the ball till you get near the goal, and kick it again to get in the goal. Only difficult part there is getting it past the moron guarding the net, who would easily get kicked in the junk if he were in my way.

And whoever is trying to make soccer out to be some tough dangerous sport....STOP THAT. Its not. 98% of injury on a soccer field is most likely a result of an accident from some Brazilian trying to get the ball. The whole point of football is....to take the person to the ground.

Ever see the people that play soccer professionally? They look like metro-sexual emo people, the kind of person that if you slapped some football pads on, given a pigskin, and told to run around someone like Brian Urlacher (or better yet, the Eagles player that knocked the living hell out of Reggie Bush last night) they would have serious internal injuries. I will give them this much, soccer players are good athletes, im not questioning their athletisicm, im questioning the the toughness of their sport.

You act like its a bad sport because it doesn't involve 'toughness'

[Heartbeat_of_94]

Re: David Beckham

If you watched England's games you would have noticed that Beckham was sluggish, sloppy, and uninspired, and in at least 2 games had to be taken out before full time. By the end of the tournament he'd all but been relegated to taking free kicks... Not exactly something you want out any world cup player, let alone your captain. So you see it was infact his latest world cup performance that got him sacked in the first place. So no, he's not good enough for a World Cup team.

well England advanced...and if i recall correctly...Beckham played a role in almost all the games earning the Man of the Match in the Trinidad game, assist in the Trinidad game, free kick which led to a goal in the Paraguy game, and a goal in the Ecuador game (the ONLY goal of the Ecuador game actually). obviously...he's not the worst player on the England TEAM...he was on there because he worked well with the squad...not because he is one of the 'ol boys' or captian of a club team...and not because anyone thought he was the next Ronaldinho...besides with new players such as Rooney coming in and taking larger roles...its totally understandable that people would stop making the WC teams...what if Zidane hadn't retired?

I was merely pointing out that Fulham was a bit of an odd one out in that group of teams you mentioned (which were the creme de la creme of football)

sorry for twisting your words then...but it seems to be the trend...Fulham may be an odd one to throw into your "creme de la creme" of football...even though they beat Arsenal this past year...but they are still a successful club. what your favorites are or what you consider the "creme de la creme", may not be the same as someone else's...big deal. the best teams change all the time...what were the best last year may not be the best this year...thats the best part of the game...

anyways...the Zidane comment at the beginning of the "back-and-forth" was sarcasm...one of my friends said he heard Zidane may be coming over here and we all knows its a load of BS. as far as Beckham...you have your opinion...i have mine...its not worth arguing over anymore. there is no doubt he's good enough to play professionally for a few more years, but not good enough to be on another WC team...we all know it. as far as clubs go...just a matter of differing opinions...nothing worth getting into an argument over. so really...none of this is a big deal...comes down to opinions...and everyone is gonna have a different one.

[Heartbeat_of_94]

Re: David Beckham

Im still right......the Bloomberg info is wrong.....here's some proof....

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-...age-152538.php

First number there is worldwide television audience, and if I can read that correctly, it says 1 billion. Remember, this is only ONE game, thats it, not a series of games, just ONE game. Now...this number is not a LIVE number, meaning that this is not the amount of people watching the game LIVE. This is the amount of people that watch it in a 24 hour span, which includes replays, highlights, and such.

Now, from the same site, the World Cup in its entirety gets 5 billion viewers, but that is a series of games being played, (and I have no clue how many).

first of all...that bloomberg info was for the World Cup FINAL match...one match...televised worldwide LIVE.

if you'll scroll down on that page and read some of those comments...some of them are pretty interesting...such as:

"So there are 870 million people outside America who want to watch american football, or baseball or whatever this is? I find that pretty hard to believe, no matter how many cameras they've got."

"No one (ok, mostly no one) outside the US gives a **** about the super bowl. The rest of the world is World Cup territory."

so...

"judging by all the ABC references, where do you think this propaganda, sorry information, came from...?"

also...yeah the bloomeberg info IS wrong...thats not cumulative info for the World Cup...that number was somewhere around 30 billion (almost 5 times the world's population)...now before you say "impossible" remember that info is cumulative...

But for now, I will stop talking about a world-wide market, and talk about the only market that really matters, the US market, cause I really don't give a rats a** what germans, english, italians and brazilians think in the first place.

again i ask...soccer is simple-minded?

Seems simple enough to me. Kick the ball in a straight line, if someone is in the way, kick it in another direction. Keep kicking the ball till you get near the goal, and kick it again to get in the goal. Only difficult part there is getting it past the moron guarding the net, who would easily get kicked in the junk if he were in my way.

And whoever is trying to make soccer out to be some tough dangerous sport....STOP THAT. Its not. 98% of injury on a soccer field is most likely a result of an accident from some Brazilian trying to get the ball. The whole point of football is....to take the person to the ground.

Ever see the people that play soccer professionally? They look like metro-sexual emo people, the kind of person that if you slapped some football pads on, given a pigskin, and told to run around someone like Brian Urlacher (or better yet, the Eagles player that knocked the living hell out of Reggie Bush last night) they would have serious internal injuries. I will give them this much, soccer players are good athletes, im not questioning their athletisicm, im questioning the the toughness of their sport.

1) go get you a soccer ball...find you a team somewhere...ask them if you can play in game...and try and keep up with them...then you can talk about how easy it is...or isn't

2) no one is out to say soccer is dangerous...football isn't dangerous...so you stop making it out that way. yeah..."you get hit in football"...well you get hit in soccer. well "you get hit more in football"...well you don't have pads in soccer. "the whole point of football isn't to take the other person to the ground"...that would be wrestling...the point of football...like soccer, tennis, baseball, basketball...is to outscore the other team...unless the rules have changed since last night's game between the Saints and the Eagles...in which the Saints OUTSCORED the Eagles...despite Reggie Bush getting hit

3) go overseas and talk crap about one of the professional players over there to his face...so they aren't built like football players...they aren't supposed to be. but that doesn't make them weak, metro, or emo...they live in a different country with different styles...hate to break it to you but America is not the center of the world...the people over there grew up with soccer, not football...just like people over here grow up with football over soccer...it would be like me saying take a football player to the pitches in England and lets see how well they hold up without their pads. their bodies aren't built for it...just like a soccer player isn't built for football. football isn't any tougher than soccer...it just focuses on different aspect of athleticism. so as for you questioning the toughness of soccer as a sport...again i say...go, grab a ball, find a decent team that will let you play with them, play for 90 minutes...straight (if you don't collapse first), then talk about how much "tougher" football is than soccer...

[Fireball27]

Re: David Beckham

sorry for twisting your words then...but it seems to be the trend...Fulham may be an odd one to throw into your "creme de la creme" of football...even though they beat Arsenal this past year...but they are still a successful club. what your favorites are or what you consider the "creme de la creme", may not be the same as someone else's...big deal. the best teams change all the time...what were the best last year may not be the best this year...thats the best part of the game...

Baaah. Its not my creme de la creme, those teams just are the best in the world (excluding Fulham), and its a fact, regardless of what i, you, or anyone else thinks.

anyways...the Zidane comment at the beginning of the "back-and-forth" was sarcasm...one of my friends said he heard Zidane may be coming over here and we all knows its a load of BS. as far as Beckham...you have your opinion...i have mine...its not worth arguing over anymore. there is no doubt he's good enough to play professionally for a few more years, but not good enough to be on another WC team...we all know it. as far as clubs go...just a matter of differing opinions...nothing worth getting into an argument over. so really...none of this is a big deal...comes down to opinions...and everyone is gonna have a different one.

Didn't sound like sarcasm....

BTW, where are you from?

[Heartbeat_of_94]

Re: David Beckham

Baaah. Its not my creme de la creme, those teams just are the best in the world (excluding Fulham), and its a fact, regardless of what i, you, or anyone else thinks.

so i throw Fulham in the mix...boo hoo...suppose i thought Fulham had a good team? they are apparently good enough to beat Arsenal. yeah, Man U. and Barcelona are two of the best teams in the world...so what if i throw in a team that isn't on the top of the list. maybe i like Fulham...or Chelsea...maybe Newcastle...its just an opinion...why make a big deal about me mentioning a team that you don't think should be mentioned?

Didn't sound like sarcasm....

since you can hear what i wrote and all...if i could have used smileys to emphasize and clarify how sarcastic that statement was...i would have...but seeing how my computer won't let me...i went with what i had in the hopes that no one would actually take it seriously. guess i'll have to be more obvious next time.

BTW, where are you from?

why should i tell you where i'm from? esp when it doesn't even matter...i watch soccer...i play soccer...i enjoy keeping up with it. i'm entitled to my opinion. this is nothing but a waste of my...and your time arguing over this stupid crap. so you can say what you want...i'm done. i have my opinion...you have yours...and we disagree...thats the end of it. you wanna keep talkin go for it...




i'll just go and look for more info on Zidane coming to the MLS (HINT<<<HINT<<<THAT WAS SARCASM>>>HINT>>>HINT)