State of the Union

[Mighty Thor]

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perfect example of who has forgotten what happened and has sunk back into their own little worlds and have no real sense of what life across the world is and means.

This is why the expression "the military is at war and the country is at the mall" is such a perfect description.

We are the sleeping giant because even though we are the leading empire of the world, we do not awake to what is going on around us until we are poked, raise or heads with drowsy eyes to see what happened then slump back into our dreams.

Very well said.

The country is just timid when comes to immigration problem and fixing the healthcare problem. Everybody is just butting heads and nothing is being done. Iraq war is something politician doesn't want to get too deep because the presidential run--election is months away.

But I like what Pres. Bush said about Iraq War--that the majority voted for it and nobody voted to lose.

[zerofailure]

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BLLDOGG i agree with what your saying, but i thought we went to iraq to search for Al-Qaeda. NOT to make a democracy and help them build the damn country a government.. Yeah maybe we just made more enemies by invading and sticking our noses in these countries businesses and now if we pull out now they will just avenge us. There has always been groups/gangs/armies that hate USA so nothing different has changed except since 9/11. Yeah the day after everyone was like lets get those bastards! i was one of them, but maybe its taking longer then expected. Our intelligence apparently isnt the greatest (IE weapons of mass destruction). I understand its like finding a needle in a haystack for ol Osama, but i dont see why we have to do a muscle flex and tell the world how a government should be.. Im not against the war now, because its just to late, if we pull out now we lose everything that we worked for. So wth just do it.

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[gman2000]

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I feel we keep it up. In the end when Iraq is over it will be Iran or someone else. I think it will be a very long time before this is over. But this is the price of freedom.

[dafirebird]

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I agree. If everybody that thinks they know so much but has never left the US would go see the world, they may think a little different. The world is a very dangerous place.

Plus I have to add what makes everyone think they know everything? It may be different know but when I was in the army you were on a need to know and the American public doesn't need to know everything, I don't think they would sleep as well at night.

We probably don't know half the stuff that's goin' on in our Governments heads. We probably don't know the whole truth about why exactly our troops were deployed to Iraq in the first place. Again, we were told it was WMD, but none were found - at least that we know of. Maybe I watch too much 24, but I trust NO ONE!!!

[SpeedingFirebird]

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BLLDOGG i agree with what your saying, but i thought we went to iraq to search for Al-Qaeda. NOT to make a democracy and help them build the damn country a government..

No we went in to liberate the people from Iraq from a tyrannical dictactor who was testing chemical weapons on his own people (in the north. This is what he was convicited of). He was haboring terrorists like Al-Qaeda. Our plan was to overthrow the government and replace it with one that does not condone gassing it's own people.

The History channel had a piece on Saddam. They showed horrible pictures of hundreds of dead or severly burned/disfigured people - all from bombs dropped by Saddam's army lead by "Chemical Ali". Some seriously nasty stuff.

[V6Bob]

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"Im not against the war now, because its just too late, if we pull out now we lose everything that we worked for."

If we pull out now Iraq fill fall into chaos. If we pull out later Iraq will fall into chaos, and more of our soldiers will be dead. This is no longer a military problem. Unless you want us to replace Saddam, a Sunni dictator, with a Shiite dictator. That's started. Iraqs members of Parliament don't show up much anymore. Read this article and see how Iraqs democracy is doing.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/...0124noshow.php

"I think it will be a very long time before this is over."

The war in Iraq? It will be about two years. The American people hate this war. They won't elect anyone President who doesn't pledge to end it, fast.

"No we went in to liberate the people from Iraq from a tyrannical dictator who was testing chemical weapons on his own people"

That's not what Bush said. In Bush's first campaign he pledged not to use the American military for "nation building". BTW, that threat was long gone. The chemical attack happened in 1988. In 1998 Saddams chemical weapons facilities and other WMD facilities were bombed by us and the British. They were never rebuilt. No American got a scratch.

"He was harboring terrorists like Al-Qaeda."

The idea that Iraq harbored Islamic terrorists has been discredited by our own intelligence long ago. Saddam was a non-religious brutal dictator who oppressed the Iraqi Islamic clerics. Islamic terrorists hated him and wanted to overthrow him. He kept them out.

The war in Iraq has cost of hundreds of billions of dollars. Three thousand soldiers lives. tens of thousands with wounds that will affect the rest of their lives. Tens of thousands of perfectly innocent Iraqi civilians dead, about a million have fled the country. All to, according to the CIA, make us less safe.

[Tradition_F]

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i think it was more interesting watching how each side of the room responded to each comment and watch that stone cold ***** hilary clinton stand there like a stone through everything...i dont think she has a soul :eek:

[BLLDOGG]

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I think the war in Iraq was a snow ball effect. we looked at Iraq as a place that terrorists were hiding and you just can't go marching in every single country. so what really happened was we went after a long time enemy of the USA who was basically the Hitler of our time and of that country. he was on a mass scale, murdering whole towns and trying to wipe out a whole culture. also, he had WMD and we did find them. I watched the reports on it and they of course has cameras there. there are pictures of soldiers standing next to them and then all the war hating congress wanted to say was that they were too old to cause wide spread damage. of course, that was what was told in the news. what does this mean. it means that he had them, we know he was openly trying to get some more and we just happened to find an old stash. mind you, these people love to bury their goods just like we do in mountains and the deserts of the southwest. they way I see it, the problems we are facing in Iraq are not the same as maybe two years ago. before, we were fitting our enemies and Saddam's old military and supporters. now that we had set up a legal government, which every country in the world deserves, now the separate cultures in that country are fighting each other and we are stuck in the middle along with us fighting our enemies. I think we need separate the two into separate cultures but I'm sure that has alternate effects I don't even know. I was watching a couple Generals being interviewed a couple nights ago and he said statistically, insurgencies usually last about 10yrs and we should expect to have it take tat long before life settles down. These things are normal for a young country. In every aspect of life, there are things that are not thought about in which one may really not want to do or deal with but it is life. we did the right thing in liberating those people and I think we need to follow through. As far as I'm aware, Iran wasn't killing a huge amount of its people cause they were different. I watched a show about Iran the other day and it basically said that they are having a cultural revolution and the government doesn't really care what its people do as long as they do not talk trash against the government. So you can broadcast a I hate the Iran government show in Iran, but you can not broadcast it to the Iranian people, It would have to play outside of the country. You know what I mean? Its hard for a person to grasp just how many enemies we have and what it takes to deal with them. I have typed so much that I have lost my train of thought so I will stop here :p

[BLLDOGG]

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also, about the billions of dollars spent, we have spent I think not even a tenth of what we have spent in other major wars.

[SpeedingFirebird]

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Saddam was constantly not cooperating with the UN, so intelligence over the WMD was sketchy at best. Also he failed to verify disarmement with the UN.

An estimated 500,000 to 1.2 million children died because of the UN sections. Countless died from the gassing. This dude gave a crap about human life.

Yes, many civilians have died (I could not verify your number, sounds high to me), but walking away does not solve that problem.