cant say we didnt see this coming...

[96greenmachine]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

u really have the worst grammer...and yes the ta's and camaros didnt sell that well compaired to the competators...and bashin the gp's? wtf...ur makin fun of the car that has the same motor that is in ur bird right now...o and when ever u get this "83" bird give all of us a call and let us know how it goes..cuz until u do its just a wish of urs that isnt gonna happen...sorry kid face it ur just gonna have that white wheeled bird u have now for awhile

and my 83 is GONNA happen cuz im gonna have the money and i know people to hook me up with the right stuff and the right people to help work on it and i PROMISE you people on this board that 83 IS gonna happen my 96 is only gonna be my gas saver when my 83 gets built im not even gonna mess with modding this car anymore its a waste of money and time when my 83 will be alot better performance wise and i dont care for grammar

[dafirebird]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

The only vehicle on the road today used as a daily driver that i think is rediculas(spell) is the Hummer - you know the soccer moms never take 'em where they're meant to go - off road.

but i suppose it's like anything else - if it can be sold, companies will capitolize.

[96greenmachine]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

and i really hate that about people that buy sh!t like that for the wrong reasons like a suburban its for carrying the family and all i see is 1 person driving them all the time same for all suv's and why does it matter if camaro or firebird didnt outsell mustang or whatever? it still sells good why get rid of it? camaro/firebird had a 35 year legacy and they just throw them away like a bad habit

[slow6]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

i just hate cars that are sedans and have high hp i think its stupid and useless nobody's gonna buy a gp cuz it has 380hp there gonna buy it for a car to get them from point a to b ide rather have a trans am if im gonna have over 350 hp

not everyone is narrow minded and will only buy based on appearance.
If car A is 300hp and 30MPG
and car B is 300hp and 20MPG
its obvious which is the better choice.
I see nothing wrong with having a sedan that has high hp. In fact it is my
preference!

This is straight from f0ff667 (bill):

In the GTP market there are many cars in the 10's!! You put the same GTP powerplant in an f-body with traction and you can easily go .5 to a full second quicker in many instances.

but thats a lame comparison

[rt1]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

i highly doubt they didnt sell cuz even 35th t/a's were all over the place

I don't think they sold any 35th Trans Ams kid

Rob

[vanbibber]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

lets look at how great our fbodies are for a minute.

styling- good
ride quality-sucks
interior- sucks
rear end-sucks
comfortable? no
dependable? no
cost more than the average car to fix? yup
easy to work on- nope
build quality in general- sucks.

yeah, i cant see why it got axed

[vanbibber]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

now lets look at the last gto

ride quality- excellent
rear end- excellent
interior-excellent
comfortable- hell yes
costly to fix? not sure but it cant be any worse than a fbody
easy to work on? from what i can tell by god yes.
build quality-excellent
styling- some dont like it, i personally love it.

why it doesnt sell? styling. for the price there isnt a better car in gms lineup worth the money including the vette.

[gotchocmilk39]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

Just some facts about the production of the camaros (not over seas) sorry dont know much about the F-Bird/TA.

1999-Camaro and Camaro Z28/SS coupes 38,800 Convert. 3,298
2000-Camaro and Camaro Z28/SS coupes 41,825 Convert. 3,636
2001-Camaro and Camaro Z28/SS coupes 23,681 Convert. 5,328

but looking back Ooo lets says 95.

1995-Camaro and Camaro Z28 coupes 115,365 Convert. 7,360

By the time 97 rolled around with the same production numbers as 99-01 hint hint not selling, GM knew they were losing the money on them so thats why they cut the production on them.

[BLLDOGG]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

lets look at how great our fbodies are for a minute.

styling- good
ride quality-sucks
interior- sucks
rear end-sucks
comfortable? no
dependable? no
cost more than the average car to fix? yup
easy to work on- nope
build quality in general- sucks.

yeah, i cant see why it got axed

now lets look at the last gto

ride quality- excellent
rear end- excellent
interior-excellent
comfortable- hell yes
costly to fix? not sure but it cant be any worse than a fbody
easy to work on? from what i can tell by god yes.
build quality-excellent
styling- some dont like it, i personally love it.

why it doesnt sell? styling. for the price there isnt a better car in gms lineup worth the money including the vette.

all personal opinions

[vanbibber]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

you can sit there and tell me with a staight face that fbodies are well made cars?

[BLLDOGG]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

nobody's gonna buy a gp cuz it has 380hp there gonna buy it for a car to get them from point a to b

you obviously have no idea about the wants of car buyers

[BLLDOGG]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

you can sit there and tell me with a staight face that fbodies are well made cars?

what makes the GTO a well made car? What makes an f-body not a well made car? I'm just pointing out that what you say is strictly personal opinion.

[BLLDOGG]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

People don't need 425hp to haul the kids around tho. You want performance, buy a sports car... or at least thats the way it used to be.......

What the hell do you think a muscle car is? camaros and such back in the day were basically everyday car to hual around the kids and wife but had a big motor to keep the men happy

[BLLDOGG]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

why they even got rid of firebird/camaro's anyway i dunno but i still think that was the dumbest move gm has made in its long history

reading all of your posts and your whining, you simply just do not understand business and the market.

[blown00]

Re: cant say we didnt see this coming...

no maybe ill spank a damn gp when i get my 83 up and running and show that dip**** how much a dumbass he is for having a POS car like a gp and my point about cars like that is its a freakin four door granny grunt car it dont need 380hp and it sure as hell couldnt handle goin over 100 mph through turns and sh!t i dont care how old or how many kids i got im gonna have a firebird in my driveway 1 way or another no matter what motor or how old it is...and its funny u say they didnt sell well i remember like it was yesterday back in 99-02 t/a's and camaro's were all over the place i highly doubt they didnt sell cuz even 35th t/a's were all over the place u cant tell me trans am didnt sell better then there "awesome gto" they thought was gonna be big...anyway my question now is if u want performance what would u rather have? a 380hp firebird/camaro or a 380hp gp and still get sh!tty gas mileage and alot heavier and cant exactly use the hp out of a gp??

So was that first "line" directed towards me? (I couldn't say sentence because you don't know what those are) So when you get your "83" done... Well being that you don't have the car I'm sure no one expects this project to happen or complete. For what reason are GP's pieces of ****? Let's please clarify that not all Grand Prix's are 4-door. Granny grunt car? As depreciation progresses, more immature little ****s like you will start to drive them, because their prices drop where the f-bodys are now. This whole time you have been insulting the GP community, you're ignorance has left you dumbfounded because stock they have 240HP 280TQ. What car can handle going 100MPH going through a turn? Obviously not your POS 83. Once again, you are comparing two totally different cars. How does a GP get ****ty gas mileage compared to a Camaro or Firebird? They are essentially the same car. A lot heavier? By no more than 200 LBS tops. Can't exactly use the HP out of a GP......What does this mean? Should I post the video of the FWD GP running 9.01? But I guess you can't use that power.

and i dont care for grammar

McDonalds may not care for it either. Let us know when you end up applying there in the future.