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  • #16
    Re: stupid taxes....

    Originally posted by V6Bob
    If you make less than $97,500 a year (individually, not family total) removing the cap doesn't affect you. If you do, you can afford it.
    I agree about raising taxes for the wealthy, but I don't define an income over $97,500 a year as wealthy. Yes, if someone makes $500k a year, you can probably safely assume he can afford a *reasonable* tax hike, but with someone that makes around $100k, you just don't know. That's assuming that taxing people more in that bracket will even lead to an increase in income. You're wanting to tax the wrong people, the upper middle class.

    I also believe the poor should have to pay at least a token amount. There are so many people that don't have to pay a dime in income taxes. Sorry, but if you don't pay in, you don't have a vested interest in how the money is being spent. That's how democracy works, you put in your fair share and in return you get the functions and services of government.

    Taxes, in my opinion, serve a dual purpose:

    1) Obviously, to raise revenue for the government
    2) To provide a check on the accumulation of excessive wealth that can compromise the democratic process. Excessive monetary accumulation equates to a concentration of power. Money=power.

    My overall stated opinion is that if you're not trying to (A) raise revenue, or (B) prevent wealth accumulation that could be a potential threat to democracy, then there's no need to raise peoples' taxes. It's proven that raising taxes too high can actually hurt the economy and lower federal income tax collections. If you don't have as much, you can't spend as much, right?

    Nationalized health care may not be a good idea. I'm still on the fence with it, but I think any attempt at it should be cautious and very well thought out. youngsc: you're right about corporate intervention corrupting politics, and corporations are a large part of why nationalized health care has not been adopted here, but that doesn't mean nationalized health care will work.

    Before we do anything huge, we need to break the grip of the corporate lobby.
    Last edited by Camarorulz; 03-16-2007, 10:19 AM.
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    • #17
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      County personal property taxes are killing me. Why do I need to pay taxes on a car I have already been taxed on?! :rant:

      Originally posted by SpeedingFirebird
      This I agree with. My wife is reading this book right now and tells me it is enlightening. I am looking forward to reading it if/when I can scavenge the time.
      I haven't finished it, but I like it so far. I think I still have mp3s of it if you want them. Audio books are great for trips.

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      • #18
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        Originally posted by V6Bob
        Recommended book: The World is Flat.
        I just ordered it from Amazon, it looks like a really good read.
        Let's flip a coin. Heads I get tail, Tails I get head.

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        • #19
          Re: stupid taxes....

          Originally posted by youngsc
          One of the reasons why other countries seem to have programs that work is their lack of corporate intervention. The US has a large amount of corporate corruption and intervention that is allowed to influence the govt. Until that is put to an end or minimized there will be no nationalized healthcare or any other nationalized programs that work. We still are living in one of the best countries but the money is managed poorly and spent incorrectly. If the people in charge were more efficent and accurate with the spending on a local, state and federal level we would probably see a decline in the amount of taxes required to function. just my .02

          vote for me, pedro in '08!!
          You have my vote. Seriously, Sen McCain has been touting this for years. I hope he runs so I can vote for him.


          Originally posted by Camarorulz
          2) To provide a check on the accumulation of excessive wealth that can compromise the democratic process. Excessive monetary accumulation equates to a concentration of power. Money=power.
          I agree that the money=power thing is a problem, but is capping someone's wealth REALLY the solution? I would hope, some day, there is a shift and people value things like loyalty, friendship, and family more than money. And then this wouldn't be as much as an issue. People go through life with the notion that money can buy happiness, and it cannot.


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          • #20
            Re: stupid taxes....

            About the $97,500.

            We need Social Security. We need it to work, and for people to have faith in it.

            Right now everyone pays tax to Social Security on their income, but only up until $97,500. The well off then get a tax break. Raising/removing that cap would fix Social Security. Removing it would fix it all by itself. If we just raise it will need to do some other things, too.

            The people making over $97,500 (each) are well off, compared to the rest of us. They're about the top 10%. No one ever has enough money or pays too little taxes. I understand that.
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            • #21
              Re: stupid taxes....

              Why do we NEED social security?

              Removing that cap would do nothing but put more money into the government's coffers for them to spend it on whatever: it goes into a general fund, and presidents since Johnson have been dipping into it.

              I hate the way people in this country spend, spend, spend, charge it to their credit cards, don't save a dime of it, then expect the government to write them a check when they're old and have nothing saved. Do you really NEED that new flatscreen? If you want it that badly, don't charge it to your card, SAVE for it. Then you can put the rest of the money (that you didn't pay in interest to the credit card company) into a savings account.

              People should invest their money in retirement accounts (401ks, Roth IRAs) and gain interest on it, then they wouldn't need social security.

              People with disabilities and single mothers are a different story, they deserve a break, but people that have been working and are perfectly capable of saving should not get this kind of break. I think social security should be cut severely, now, especially for all the old geezers that didn't think of the future, before I have to pay too much into it. Counting on a social security check to keep you financially secure is the biggest LEECH mentality.

              I'm generally liberal in my social views, but this I can't stand.
              -Eric<br />2002 Navy Blue Camaro...Striped and Stalled. 35th Anniversary SS wheels <br />Best ET: 15.384 @ 88.32 on street tires<br />Project Whitney: Goal, 14.0 1/4 by summer 2008.

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              • #22
                Re: stupid taxes....

                Originally posted by Camarorulz
                Why do we NEED social security?

                Removing that cap would do nothing but put more money into the government's coffers for them to spend it on whatever: it goes into a general fund, and presidents since Johnson have been dipping into it.

                I hate the way people in this country spend, spend, spend, charge it to their credit cards, don't save a dime of it, then expect the government to write them a check when they're old and have nothing saved. Do you really NEED that new flatscreen? If you want it that badly, don't charge it to your card, SAVE for it. Then you can put the rest of the money (that you didn't pay in interest to the credit card company) into a savings account.

                People should invest their money in retirement accounts (401ks, Roth IRAs) and gain interest on it, then they wouldn't need social security.

                People with disabilities and single mothers are a different story, they deserve a break, but people that have been working and are perfectly capable of saving should not get this kind of break. I think social security should be cut severely, now, especially for all the old geezers that didn't think of the future, before I have to pay too much into it. Counting on a social security check to keep you financially secure is the biggest LEECH mentality.

                I'm generally liberal in my social views, but this I can't stand.
                QFMFT! wefare is there for people down on their luck (thats an effed up system too, needs alotta fixing), so just like u said, people dont save a damn dime and then whine that they dont have food to eat! if you dont save, then you should expect to work the rest of your life. if you dont wanna work when you're old, then save goddamnit. I want a supercharger, and i have the money to buy it, but i want a decent salary job so i have to save that money to go to school. life is full of tradeoffs. If you save something like 10000 bucks when you're 25, you wind up with like 200k once you retire if you dont put anything in after. save young and you're golden! the lack of common sense is staggering.
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                • #23
                  Re: stupid taxes....

                  If yr employer matches contributions to yr 401k and u aint maxing it out, enjoy yr dogfood when yr 65...

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                  • #24
                    Re: stupid taxes....

                    Originally posted by mloaks
                    If yr employer matches contributions to yr 401k and u aint maxing it out, enjoy yr dogfood when yr 65...
                    mmmm... dogfood :drool:
                    Let's flip a coin. Heads I get tail, Tails I get head.

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                    • #25
                      Re: stupid taxes....

                      Originally posted by mloaks
                      If yr employer matches contributions to yr 401k and u aint maxing it out, enjoy yr dogfood when yr 65...
                      Internet high-five.

                      I agree with what others have said. Raising the cap and having people who succeed in life attempt to fix SS won't work. 1) The money will be mis-spent 2) that's still not enough to support the retiring Baby Boomer population.

                      It's so true though. You see people scraping by, not saving, and then spent their yearly bonus on a new $6K tv. WTF? SAVE it people. Invest. 401k, Roth IRA, savings account. anything. Do not expect the gov't to pay back all that you are putting into SS because it will NOT be there when we retire.


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                      • #26
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                        Lord willin, I get Navy Reserve retirement when I turn 60. But I am not even counting on that.
                        I do know if I want to be messin with ponycars at 70, I better save and invest now. Didnt mean to preach earlier, but I reckon most y'all are younger than me; save now, dont f@&% around like I did.

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                        • #27
                          Re: stupid taxes....

                          Why do so many people seem to have class envy? "Just tax the rich more" is a load of bull. Someone said somethign about puting a salary cap on people??? Why would you do that? What a great idea, the gov now tells us the max amount we can make.

                          People making over 500k can make it look like they make 100k, then they buy a 4million dollar house and have people to work that for them. Taxing them more is ludicrious. If there were a flat consumption tax, there would be no way to skirt it.

                          And SS, why not let the people who are now geting it leeched out of them put it into savings or somthign, instead of having the gov't put it in that general place where tehy can dip their greedy sticky hands into it?

                          Camarorulz and Camaro Dom, well said. It's the freeloading leech mentality and lack of common sense.


                          Originally posted by 97rs4life
                          I have no idea what people were thinking
                          I'm pretty sure that the majority of people don't think.

                          The simple solution, EUTHANASIA:banana: heh heh heh


                          *(j/k bout the euthanasia)

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                          • #28
                            Re: stupid taxes....

                            Originally posted by runtwrestlin
                            W

                            People making over 500k can make it look like they make 100k, then they buy a 4million dollar house and have people to work that for them. Taxing them more is ludicrious. If there were a flat consumption tax, there would be no way to skirt it.
                            Can you explain this consuption tax? Is that just another name for sales/restaurant taxes?

                            If so, I love the idea. A single easy to see tax is so much better that hundreds of fees, hidden taxes, and complex tax laws. I've ranted before on how people don't realize how much we pay in taxes because it's all these little taxes that add up big. A flat sales tax put everything right out in the open. And the more you spend (aka the more you make) then the more taxes you pay.

                            is my understanding correct?


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                            • #29
                              Re: stupid taxes....

                              Somewhat.
                              The spending of the lower classes is much more for the necessities, and while the rich buy somewhat more gas and such, it is a much smaller share of their wealth.
                              Trickle down was disproved in the '80s, so they dont help the poor by spending, either. Just ask the typical WalMart employee without bennies...
                              Finally, even 'old' money was earned on the back of the poor, so fairness requires some redistribution, not total raiding of the rich's coffers.
                              We all need a fire dept, so we pay taxes. The rich have more to burn and protect, so they pay more.
                              Liberty in the USA only goes as far as the public good, which makes liberty itself possible. The lower classes have it tough enough with all their jobs going overseas, anyway...
                              Just my 2 cents; i am lower middle class myself, so being objective is work.

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                              • #30
                                Re: stupid taxes....

                                Originally posted by SpeedingFirebird
                                is my understanding correct?
                                Yep. The more you spend the more money you pay.

                                There's more info on it at fairtax.org. I think that it's a great idea.

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